Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Why would an NGO have a vested interest in discrediting the government of India? What could they possibly hope to gain by fabricating stories of victimization, of people we already knew were victims! 
And if you consider the NGOs biased, then who’s account should we accept, the Indian govts?
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
:halo:well MED, NGO are paid by the dirty CIA, so we dont trust them. ITs a shaazish aginst india by islamists, yahoodis and christians
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
court convicts on the basis of investigations done by the concerned agency police or CBI, court simply gives its decision on the basis of that investigation, court doesn’t investigate.
in india, Muslims are very big vote bank and by blaming modi for everything they want to score brownie points for next election else where in india. even though modi didnt perform his duty when mob killed innocent people but his state has progressed a lot during his tenure as CM:)
incidentally all convicts are congress workers but blame of this along with that of riot will fall on RSS:blush:
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Surprising then that they could convict 31 people of the Godhra fire! Yet the murder of thousands means not a single person can be convicted!
Not only the Sikh Riots, but they have yet to charge anyone for Babri Masjid, for Gujrat, or even the well documented human riots violations committed by your Army in Kashmir!
Seems non Hindus leave eveidence of their crimes everywhere for your sleuths to find, but Hindus are simlply too clever to be prosecuted!
stop embarrassing yourself. you sound like a fool. hundreds of hindus were prosecuted and dozens of them were convicted of murder in gujarat (not to mention hundreds that were shot and killed by the police). unfortunately self-serving pakistani fantasies are not a reliable source of information.
expectedly, there were many more acquittals than convictions given the prosecution-unfriendly nature of the violence, not for any unwillingness to charge or prosecute hindus. there are surely large numbers of hindu criminals roaming free but for bias or fault of the courts. godhra was isolated and preceded the chaos which made it slightly easier to prosecute. however the majority of the godhra accused were still acquitted. no doubt many of those acquitted are probably guilty and many of the convicted men are probably innocent.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Its all politics to discredit the ruling government. Teesta Setalvad - the main voice of the NGOs is pro-left and married to a Muslim (the ruling state BJP govt is right wing & supposedly pro-Hindu). Need any more reasons ?
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
time to move on
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
stop embarrassing yourself. you sound like a fool. hundreds of hindus were prosecuted and dozens of them were convicted of murder in gujarat (not to mention hundreds that were shot and killed by the police). unfortunately self-serving pakistani fantasies are not a reliable source of information.
expectedly, there were many more acquittals than convictions given the prosecution-unfriendly nature of the violence, not for any unwillingness to charge or prosecute hindus. there are surely large numbers of hindu criminals roaming free but for bias or fault of the courts. godhra was isolated and preceded the chaos which made it slightly easier to prosecute. however the majority of the godhra accused were still acquitted. no doubt many of those acquitted are probably guilty and many of the convicted men are probably innocent.
Listen, dont be stupid... Show us the evidence. You wont convince anyone except your fellow Indians. If you have something to contribute, then do so. If not then why are you barking?
This is an open forum. SHOW us your evidence.
Im sure eventually they will get around to investigating some cases. But tall claims require tall evidence. So again, google is your friend. Even I posted a link to an article that shows that eventually, when they can, your justice system does prosecute a few, but its usually painfully slow.
No one buys this nonsense that Godhra mob was easier to prosecute then the thousands murdering people in broad day light. You actually sound like an idiot when you say that.
Now I dont know why you investigators were able to solve the Godhara case, but not be able to prosecute anyone involved in the riots. That's for you to explain. Im just pointing out something that glaringly obvious to everyone except deluded Indians like you.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Its all politics to discredit the ruling government. Teesta Setalvad - the main voice of the NGOs is pro-left and married to a Muslim (the ruling state BJP govt is right wing & supposedly pro-Hindu). Need any more reasons ?
I think you miss the point.
What about countless first hand accounts of the violence? You seem to believe that accounts that are illustrated by the NGOs are somehow too extraordinary to believe. But I dont know why they should be unbelievable, given all the other evidence that clearly shows that such incidences as highlighted by the NGO, aren't so far off from reality.
How do you assume the NGO is politically motivated to malign the govt when the reality is just as extraordinary as the supposed fiction that they concocted?!?!
You talking about people who burnt children to death... Is it so hard to believe they werent also capable of doing what the NGO claimed?
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Because your to much of a tool to actually do the research yourself. Here is what Human Rights Watch has to say to say on the situation. Granted this is from 2004, but how much has really changed in India? This atleast gives some insight on why the rioters were not prosecuted, while those involved in the train fire have.
“Two years after the Gujarat riots, witnesses are being threatened and sometimes even attacked,” said Brad Adams, executive director of Human Rights Watch’s Asia Division. “Not only has the Gujarat government failed to pursue those responsible for the riots, it is obstructing justice by its failure to protect witnesses.”
The violence in 2002 started with an attack in Godhra on a train carrying Hindus. Fifty-nine people died when a train carriage caught fire. In a retaliatory spree by Hindu mobs, hundreds of Muslims were slaughtered, tens of thousands were displaced, and their property was destroyed. Two years later, Muslims still live in fear because their attackers remain free and continue to make threats, particularly against those involved in prosecutions.
While investigations in the Godhra case proceeded rapidly, with several indicted Muslims charged under the recently repealed Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA), investigations into cases related to the anti-Muslim riots that followed were deliberately slow. The lower courts dismissed many cases for lack of evidence after public prosecutors effectively acted as defense counsel or witnesses turned hostile after receiving threats"
To their credit however, the “Indian Supreme Court to move some trials out of Gujarat to allow for a more impartial atmosphere and greater protection for witnesses, victims and lawyers.”
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Listen, dont be stupid... Show us the evidence. You wont convince anyone except your fellow Indians. If you have something to contribute, then do so. If not then why are you barking?
This is an open forum. SHOW us your evidence.
Im sure eventually they will get around to investigating some cases. But tall claims require tall evidence. So again, google is your friend. Even I posted a link to an article that shows that eventually, when they can, your justice system does prosecute a few, but its usually painfully slow.
No one buys this nonsense that Godhra mob was easier to prosecute then the thousands murdering people in broad day light. You actually sound like an idiot when you say that.
Now I dont know why you investigators were able to solve the Godhara case, but not be able to prosecute anyone involved in the riots. That's for you to explain. Im just pointing out something that glaringly obvious to everyone except deluded Indians like you.
Honestly presenting facts to these people is like banging your head against the wall. They keep harping their horn about their 'great' nation yet refuse to acknowledge hard cold facts! They will always remain deluded and will twist everything to fit their theory of how fair and unbiased their nation is. Do yourself a favor and stop arguing with these folks!
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
stop embarrassing yourself. you sound like a fool. hundreds of hindus were prosecuted and dozens of them were convicted of murder in gujarat (not to mention hundreds that were shot and killed by the police). unfortunately self-serving pakistani fantasies are not a reliable source of information.
Seriously where do you come up with these statistics? Hundreds were prosecuted? Did you personally prosecute them or do you actually have something that backs your claim??
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Cant deny the past. But IMHO, things are improving in India. Most folks in my circle do not bash minorities and for the most part are not prejudiced. One of my colleagues is married to a muslim lady. In Mumbai, it is Biharis who are now at receiving end of prejudice, and not just from locals. I saw a Sardar berate Biharis - saying unko akal naheen hai etc.
Point I am making is - Muslims and Sikhs in present day India are not targeted (at least as far as I know). It is no longer 1985 for Sikhs and ~ 2002 for muslims. I pray it remains that way.
Med, you will be welcome in my Bharath any day. And you will have fun.
When I went to India last, I asked an old muslim gentleman what procedure I need to follow to go to a mosque. He said - betay, bus khuda say duva mango, aur kuch khaas naheen. Sar ko roomal say cover karo.
The taxi driver on the way back to airport was also an old, frail and dignified muslim gentleman. Yes, he felt muslims had to go out of their way to show loyalty to India. But for the most part, he was happy. Yeh hamara mulk hai, he said.
Come over my friend. We will show good athithi sathkar.
PS - all the best to Pakistan against Sri Lanka (but not against Bharath)!
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Cant deny the past. But IMHO, things are improving in India. Most folks in my circle do not bash minorities and for the most part are not prejudiced. One of my colleagues is married to a muslim lady. In Mumbai, it is Biharis who are now at receiving end of prejudice, and not just from locals. I saw a Sardar berate Biharis - saying unko akal naheen hai etc.
Point I am making is - Muslims and Sikhs in present day India are not targeted (at least as far as I know). It is no longer 1985 for Sikhs and ~ 2002 for muslims. I pray it remains that way.
Med, you will be welcome in my Bharath any day. And you will have fun.
When I went to India last, I asked an old muslim gentleman what procedure I need to follow to go to a mosque. He said - betay, bus khuda say duva mango, aur kuch khaas naheen. Sar ko roomal say cover karo.
The taxi driver on the way back to airport was also an old, frail and dignified muslim gentleman. Yes, he felt muslims had to go out of their way to show loyalty to India. But for the most part, he was happy. Yeh hamara mulk hai, he said.
Come over my friend. We will show good athithi sathkar.
PS - all the best to Pakistan against Sri Lanka (but not against Bharath)!
Your acredit to ur ppl Southie . I have nothing against Indians. Only people who openly defend things that are obviously wrong and unjustied.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Its all politics to discredit the ruling government. Teesta Setalvad - the main voice of the NGOs is pro-left and married to a Muslim (the ruling state BJP govt is right wing & supposedly pro-Hindu). Need any more reasons ?
Huh. I have a solution: let's charge Teesta Setalvad with sedition, ala Arundathi Roy, and try to force her into silence!!!
BTW your suggestion that just because someone is "married to a Muslim" means she cannot be objective is frankly insulting. Was the judge deciding the Gojra case an atheist? What if he/she still happened to have a Muslim/Hindu spouse or a close relative in the family? Is that ground to call into question his/her objectivity and doubt the veracity of the verdict?
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
stop embarrassing yourself. you sound like a fool. hundreds of hindus were prosecuted and dozens of them were convicted of murder in gujarat (not to mention hundreds that were shot and killed by the police). unfortunately self-serving pakistani fantasies are not a reliable source of information.
I am sure you would not be saying "hundreds of hindus were prosecuted and dozens of them were convicted of murder in gujarat" if it was your family at the receiving end.
Don't make yourself a laughing stock by uttering nonsense.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
There are no images of those people who set the Godhara train on fire either, yet here we are with 31 culprits. And I question the reliability of your courts considering the corruption thats rampant in the Indian system, not to mention the questionable investigation techniques of your police, which involve more torture then anything else.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but what you question really counts for zilch. The fact is that we have a functioning judicial system and these people were found guilty in a court of law.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
What about countless first hand accounts of the violence? You seem to believe that accounts that are illustrated by the NGOs are somehow too extraordinary to believe. But I dont know why they should be unbelievable, given all the other evidence that clearly shows that such incidences as highlighted by the NGO, aren't so far off from reality.
How do you assume the NGO is politically motivated to malign the govt when the reality is just as extraordinary as the supposed fiction that they concocted?!?!
You talking about people who burnt children to death... Is it so hard to believe they werent also capable of doing what the NGO claimed?
Comprehension issues again, my friend ? Its the SIT which found that the NGOs and the people tutored by them lied. Pls read what I posted again -
[QUOTE]
NEW DELHI: The Special Investigation Team responsible for the arrests of those accused in Gujarat riots has severely censured NGOs and social activist Teesta Setalvad who campaigned for the riot victims.
In a significant development, the SIT led by former CBI director R K Raghavan told the Supreme Court on Monday that the celebrated rights activist cooked up macabre tales of wanton killings.
Many incidents of killings and violence were cooked up, false charges were levelled against then police chief P C Pandey and false witnesses were tutored to give evidence about imaginary incidents, the SIT said in a report submitted before a Bench comprising Justices Arijit Pasayat, P Sathasivam and Aftab Alam.
The SIT said it had been alleged in the Gulbarg Society case that Pandey, instead of taking measures to protect people facing the wrath of rioteers, was helping the mob. The truth was that he was helping with hospitalisation of riot victims and making arrangements for police bandobast, Gujarat counsel, senior advocate Mukul Rohtagi, said quoting from the SIT report.
Rohtagi also said that 22 witnesses, who had submitted identical affidavits before various courts relating to riot incidents, were questioned by the SIT which found that they had been tutored and handed over the affidavits by Setalvad and that they had not actually witnessed the riot incidents.
The SIT also found no truth in the following incidents widely publicised by the NGOs:
A pregnant Muslim woman Kausar Banu was gangraped by a mob, who then gouged out the foetus with sharp weapons
Dumping of dead bodies into a well by rioteers at Naroda Patiya
Police botching up investigation into the killing of British nationals, who were on a visit to Gujarat and unfortunately got caught in the riots
Rohtagi said: "On a reading of the report, it is clear that horrendous allegations made by the NGOs were false. Stereotyped affidavits were supplied by a social activist and the allegations made in them were found untrue."
[/QUOTE]
Burning children to death ? The so-called first hand accounts have been proven to be false & tutored. So did you see them do it ?
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Huh. I have a solution: let's charge Teesta Setalvad with sedition, ala Arundathi Roy, and try to force her into silence!!!
Dont know about sedition, but she might end up being charged for perjury pretty soon.
Coaching so-called witnesses to lie in court is a serious offence.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
with the amount of time you spent further embarrassing yourself typing this post demanding evidence of convictions from very high profile and highly publicized indian court cases, you could have just googled it yourself.
you are a remarkably unintelligent individual. you are posting something from 2004. do you think convictions that may have taken place in any of the years 2005-2011 could have ended up in that report? that may be a complex mathematical brain buster for you, but for others it’s common sense.
Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case
Seriously where do you come up with these statistics? Hundreds were prosecuted? Did you personally prosecute them or do you actually have something that backs your claim??
prosecutions can result in acquittals.
I am sure you would not be saying "hundreds of hindus were prosecuted and dozens of them were convicted of murder in gujarat" if it was your family at the receiving end.
Don't make yourself a laughing stock by uttering nonsense.
what part of that was nonsense? facts are facts.