31 convicted in Godhra train burning case

Re: 31 convicted in Godhra train burning case

Lets focus this discussion on Godhra, shall we ? There's other threads talking about Kashmir.

Godhra train burning was not a riot, it was a pre-planned conspiracy as proved by the recent court verdict. Proving the complicity of people in the train burning is a lot easier than pinning murder charges on a faceless mob. Whether you want to accept it or not, the judicial process will take its course.

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Google… Its your friend.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.panthic.org/data/images/_Punjab/2005-10-23-anti-sikh-riots.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.panthic.org/articles/5163&h=403&w=600&sz=69&tbnid=kQmFWijniX-0yM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dimages%2Bof%2BSikh%2Briots&zoom=1&q=images+of+Sikh+riots&hl=en&usg=__hYR-W8dtMiygpJk5DDJ3NXAGa0E=&sa=X&ei=etJmTaDEGMKqlAfa15H_AQ&ved=0CBoQ9QEwAQ

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Im just pointing out examples of you bias. Kashmir is the perfect example.

According to you I suppsoe it is. Its not a faceless mob. As you yourself said there are witnesses. Find the witnesses, examine the evidence. If they can make case against 31 people who are apparently involved in Godhara, where are the investigations against the anyone of the thousands of rioters in so many of your riots?

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Not according to me, according to an Indian court. Give me one example in your country or any other where members of the rioting mob (not their leaders) have been convicted and I will concede my point.

Otherwise I stand by my earlier point - investigation conducted and closed due to lack of evidence.

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You have any pictures from Godhra?

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And talking about Gujarat riots, I am sure you will find this interesting. I wonder how spiced up the version served in Pakistan was…


NEW DELHI: The Special Investigation Team responsible for the arrests of those accused in Gujarat riots has severely censured NGOs and social activist Teesta Setalvad who campaigned for the riot victims.

In a significant development, the SIT led by former CBI director R K Raghavan told the Supreme Court on Monday that the celebrated rights activist cooked up macabre tales of wanton killings.

Many incidents of killings and violence were cooked up, false charges were levelled against then police chief P C Pandey and false witnesses were tutored to give evidence about imaginary incidents, the SIT said in a report submitted before a Bench comprising Justices Arijit Pasayat, P Sathasivam and Aftab Alam.

The SIT said it had been alleged in the Gulbarg Society case that Pandey, instead of taking measures to protect people facing the wrath of rioteers, was helping the mob. The truth was that he was helping with hospitalisation of riot victims and making arrangements for police bandobast, Gujarat counsel, senior advocate Mukul Rohtagi, said quoting from the SIT report.

Rohtagi also said that 22 witnesses, who had submitted identical affidavits before various courts relating to riot incidents, were questioned by the SIT which found that they had been tutored and handed over the affidavits by Setalvad and that they had not actually witnessed the riot incidents.

The SIT also found no truth in the following incidents widely publicised by the NGOs:

  • A pregnant Muslim woman Kausar Banu was gangraped by a mob, who then gouged out the foetus with sharp weapons

  • Dumping of dead bodies into a well by rioteers at Naroda Patiya

  • Police botching up investigation into the killing of British nationals, who were on a visit to Gujarat and unfortunately got caught in the riots

Rohtagi said: “On a reading of the report, it is clear that horrendous allegations made by the NGOs were false. Stereotyped affidavits were supplied by a social activist and the allegations made in them were found untrue.”

Obviously happy with the fresh findings of the SIT which was responsible for the recent arrests of former Gujarat minister Maya Kodanani and VHP leader Jaideep Patel, Rohtagi tried to spruce up the image of the Modi administration, which was castigated in the Best Bakery case by the apex court as “modern day Neros”. He was swiftly told by the Bench that but for the SIT, many more accused, who are freshly added, would not have been brought to book.

The Bench said there was no room for allegations and counter-allegations at this late stage. “In riot cases, the more the delay, there is likelihood of falsity creeping in. So, there should be a designated court to fast track the trials. Riot cases should be given priority because feelings run high having a cascading effect,” it said and asked for suggestions from the Gujarat government, Centre, NGOs and amicus curiae Harish Salve, who said the time had come for the apex court to lift the stay on trials into several post-Godhra riot cases.

While additional solicitor general Gopal Subramaniam agreed with the court that public prosecutors should be selected in consultation with Raghavan, counsel Indira Jaising said there should be a complete regime for protection of witnesses as the same government, which was accused of engineering the riots, was in power now.

Salve said that he would consult Raghavan and let the court know about a witness protection system for post-Godhra riot cases. The court asked the parties to submit their suggestions within a week.

Read more: NGOs, Teesta spiced up Gujarat riot incidents: SIT - The Times of India NGOs, Teesta spiced up Gujarat riot incidents: SIT | India News - Times of India

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We fortuantely havent had any mass riots on the scale of Indias where Thousands have been slaughtered like animals.

However, I dont consider Pakistan's system of justice anywhere near perfect, and I wouldn't expect them to do a proper investigation even if they could. But thats the difference between Pakistanis and Indians. We acknowledge the limitations of our system, and we acknowledge our faults. You seem to be deluded enough to think everything in India is justified...

Apparently, you can do no wrong.

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Have you actually looked at these pics ? And you expect the courts to take action based on this ??

Btw, the first pic shows a Sikh being beaten up, not a Muslim :smiley: Makes me question the veracity of all these pics.

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Ok, maybe not from your perfect country - how about any other country in the world where members of a faceless rioting mob have been convicted ?

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Whats your point?

That the rioters didnt murder, rape, and loot? Have you seen the images. Were those charred bodies example of spontaneous self combustion?

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My point is that the real extent of the "carnage" was probably a lot less that what you've heard because the NGOs and other vested group made stuff up to discredit the government that they were opposed to. Simply speaking, it was a politicall motivated campaign to malign the govt.

Pls see my other post in response to the pics. You can't seriously expect any agency to arrest/convict people based on those pics ? Half of them dont even look like they are from Gujarat.

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Google.. Its your friend.

http://www.africanews.com/site/list_message/30220

Rioters are caught all the time.

Heres one from India. 103 rioters arrested in Meghalaya, toll 10
Examples of convictions:
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/mail/news/tm_headline=&method=full&objectid=19472252&siteid=50002-name_page.html

http://eu.virtualfestivals.com/latest/news/380/-/GOTCHA-Leeds-Rioters-Convicted

[http://www.middletownpress.com/articles/2010/09/13/news/doc4c8da72ddbb73770011134.txt\](http://www.middletownpress.com/articles/2010/09/13/news/doc4c8da72ddbb73770011134.txt\)

Here is an example of how the system works in India for those seeking justice… But even in the case of India, with their obvous bias, justice to, too a degree, is served, but not easily.
http://indianmuslims.in/bhagalpur-riots-14-accused-convicted-after-18-years/
Excpet in the case of Godhara..

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The extent of the carnage is irrelevant. Even if there were just a handfull of vicitms, the fact that there are victims means the incident must be investigates and those found guilty brought to justice.

Look at the pictures I showed you... You really want the people committing those crimes to be walking free among you?

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Doesnt really matter where those people are from. Their images are there, and they are carrying weapons. They are potential suspects and they could potentially lead to others.

There are no images of those people who set the Godhara train on fire either, yet here we are with 31 culprits. And I question the reliability of your courts considering the corruption thats rampant in the Indian system, not to mention the questionable investigation techniques of your police, which involve more torture then anything else.
Regardless, even with your corruption, you still cant convict a single person of the thousands involved in some of the worst crimes in your countries history?

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The pictures are off people who were involved. There are other pictures aswell im sure..

And who cares who the victim is. The point is that these werent all faceless mobs. There are pictures. These people in the pictures, there families would recognize them. You see who they are.
There is no reason why these people cant be identified. Perhaps not all pictures are clear, but there are pictures where people are clearly visible.

Now do you have picture evidence of any of those involved in setting the Godhara train on fire?

In the case of Gujarat, there were also many police witnesses..

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:hehe: You think every thing that shows your country in a bad light is a conspiracy to malign your govt..
Your pathetic.

Exactly the same deluded self assurance that convinces you of your countries innocence in Kashmir…

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Med, Nice honest debate on your part. Not sure how an entire mob can be faceless.

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I don't either, but apparently, the best way to commit murder in India is to invite your family, your friends and all your acquaintances, and create as big a mob as possible. That way no one is responsible for anything because your effectively invisible!

Except of course in Godhara, where the 31 convicted were clearly visible to everyone, and everyone came foword to help convict them!

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I am sure it must be very comforting for the kith and kin of those mercilessly butchered in the ensuing riots to learn that Gojra train burning was not completely “one-sided.” Or that, as seems to be the case, the perpetrators will go scratch free. :halo: