It’s almost 15 years since this so called war on terror started. This war has only promoted terrorism instead of tackling it. The end result of this war is a big fat zero.
15 years back when the war started Pakistan did not have any troops in fata (owing to the unique position of the tribal areas within Pakistan). As a result of NATO bombardment a big proportion of Taliban/al Qaeda relocated to the tribal agencies. The border between the two countries is not properly demarcated and is porous. Same families straddle on both sides of the Durand line.
There was no entity by the name of TTP in Pakistan before 2004. Pakistan carried out operations in almost all tribal agencies of the country (barring NWA) but the demand from US remained the same, do more.
When Pakistan finally carried out the operations in NWA, the US/NATO were picking up their bags to return home. Many terrorists uprooted by zarb e azb (the top leadership of Taliban targeting Pakistan was already based in eastern Afghanistan) moved back to Afghanistan.
This is a classic example of complete circle, and as we say in Punjabi “jithay Di khoti othay aan khloti”.
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When Pakistan finally carried out the operations in NWA, the US/NATO were picking up their bags to return home. Many terrorists uprooted by zarb e azb (the top leadership of Taliban targeting Pakistan was already based in eastern Afghanistan) moved back to Afghanistan.
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You can't really blame america, but instead kayani should take the heat. According to those "retired" faujis now, Pasha wanted to move people out and flatten NWA / FATA? and he said to kayani that america would pay for it. It is right around 2008-9 when Obama tried to pay more attention to Pakistan as the core of the AfPak strategy.
Bin Laden attacked the US and they had to respond back especially with republicans in power. We can talk about semantics and how things could have been done differently, but the global WoT is out of Pakistan's hands.
I do remember musharraf saying that US never told us to plug FATA after 2001-2 when taliban fled, but I thought right away that isn't this the army chief's, who also happened to be President, job to be proactive and flood FATA with troops to avoid what happened later? It seems that Pakistanis don't think out of the box which shows with the dismal status of GDP and other social indicators like education, health, infant mortality etc.
The Talbian are taking control again in Afghanistan province by province and I don't think Pakistan will escape without effects of this. The Taliban once strong enough will strike Pakistan again. Why wouldn't they? Now they have to show they're stronger than ISIS and what they need to accomplish that is get control of a nuclear state.
This is why I'm VERY AGAINST people in Pakistan getting too obsessed about religion and getting carried away with this burqa/beard culture. This isn't Islam. Islam is NOT about the article of clothing you're wearing or joining some death cult in the name of Jihad. It's about self-purification and worship of God, not worship of the Amir of the Taliban, but their brainwashing knows no ends.
War of terror. Musharraf quite literally sold the country because he needed the international community to legitimatise his rule. He took no genuine measures to ensure that spillover of Afghan war does not effect Pakistan.
I wonder how different the situation would have been if Pakistan, at the time had a parliament and a free media? For USA, it had always been easier to deal with military dictators in Pakistan. There's a reason why India's policy of non-alignment in 60s worked in their favour at the height of Cold War.
I'm so glad that Pakistan said no to Yemen campaign but at the same time managed to maintain good relations with Saudia. This is called good diplomacy, and taking your time for your interests.
Well, on the flip side, it was because of musharraf that you actually have free media. I think that he said once that there were hundreds of foreign media houses covering a war that was happening right on Pakistan's doorstep while we only had PTV. I have no doubt that gunja / bb would have never liberalized the media landscape.
Plus, an institution can take a better hit than one individual especially when he was a President and army chief. US hoo hawed but then accepted the turkish parliament decision in 2003 to not participate in the iraq war unlike the saudis, uae, qataris and bahrainis. As far as yemen goes, the army actually used the parliament to politely say no though it does leave open the role of ex-army mercenaries like columbians, chilians and venezuelans being employed by the Emirati army after some casualties in yemen.
It's almost 15 years since this so called war on terror started. This war has only promoted terrorism instead of tackling it. The end result of this war is a big fat zero.
15 years? Pakistan was involved in creating Jehadis in about 38 years ago, is responsible for creating the demons then. These demons are now out of control and immortals. You reap what you sow. No one is to blame here except the rulers of Pakistan who wanted their illegal rule to legitimize and continue by going through these adventures. Malown Amirul munafiqin and his 36 'hawaris' who smoked out over Cholistan desert share the major responsibility. Musharaf is not the only culprit here.
I don't think there was a way to stop the war in Afghanistan from spilling over into Pakistan. Not when there are families who have members on either side of the border. Not when one of the four provinces essentially speaks and AFGHANI LANGUAGE and has AFGHANI customs.
I don't think there was a way to stop the war in Afghanistan from spilling over into Pakistan. Not when there are families who have members on either side of the border. Not when one of the four provinces essentially speaks and AFGHANI LANGUAGE and has AFGHANI customs.
You can't really blame america, but instead kayani should take the heat. According to those "retired" faujis now, Pasha wanted to move people out and flatten NWA / FATA? and he said to kayani that america would pay for it. It is right around 2008-9 when Obama tried to pay more attention to Pakistan as the core of the AfPak strategy.
Bin Laden attacked the US and they had to respond back especially with republicans in power. We can talk about semantics and how things could have been done differently, but the global WoT is out of Pakistan's hands.
I do remember musharraf saying that US never told us to plug FATA after 2001-2 when taliban fled, but I thought right away that isn't this the army chief's, who also happened to be President, job to be proactive and flood FATA with troops to avoid what happened later? It seems that Pakistanis don't think out of the box which shows with the dismal status of GDP and other social indicators like education, health, infant mortality etc.
Fata was never really under Pakistan's control and the borders are porous like we know. Some villages on the border areas have houses on both sides of the border. The way US attacked Afghanistan they didn't even give time for countries of the region to prepare.
Kayani should take the blame, when Musharraf was leading the country and the army then?
15 years? Pakistan was involved in creating Jehadis in about 38 years ago, is responsible for creating the demons then. These demons are now out of control and immortals. You reap what you sow. No one is to blame here except the rulers of Pakistan who wanted their illegal rule to legitimize and continue by going through these adventures. Malown Amirul munafiqin and his 36 'hawaris' who smoked out over Cholistan desert share the major responsibility. Musharaf is not the only culprit here.
My point was that Taliban were there in Afghanistan before 911, they are back there again now...back to square one.
Fata was never really under Pakistan's control and the borders are porous like we know. Some villages on the border areas have houses on both sides of the border. The way US attacked Afghanistan they didn't even give time for countries of the region to prepare.
Kayani should take the blame, when Musharraf was leading the country and the army then?
I am talking about Obama time when musharraf clearly wasn't leading anything unless he has "bhai" influence.
I have criticized Musharraf like his statement that he didn't move army to FATA to plug the border because the americans didn't coordinate with him. For me, this is a leadership issue that a person should be able to forsee what could happen if fleeing taliban would take refuge in Pakistan.
I am talking about Obama time when musharraf clearly wasn't leading anything unless he has "bhai" influence.
I have criticized Musharraf like his statement that he didn't move army to FATA to plug the border because the americans didn't coordinate with him. For me, this is a leadership issue that a person should be able to forsee what could happen if fleeing taliban would take refuge in Pakistan.
Kayani took the policies of Musharraf forward, not much difference. However we are talking of the period post 911, when Taliban/AQ fled Afghanistan to enter Pakistan.
Kayani took the policies of Musharraf forward, not much difference. However we are talking of the period post 911, when Taliban/AQ fled Afghanistan to enter Pakistan.
Why post 911, why not pre 911 period when all ills were created?
Why post 911, why not pre 911 period when all ills were created?
the opening post is self explanatory, before 911 taliban were in Afghanistan, confined there. This phenomena has only spread in subsequent years, in the Middle East and as far as Bangladesh.
the opening post is self explanatory, before 911 taliban were in Afghanistan, confined there. This phenomena has only spread in subsequent years, in the Middle East and as far as Bangladesh.
Yes but created by ISI isn't it? Soon there was its by-product TTP which played and still playing havoc in Pakistan.
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