Re: Zia to zinda hai............saray pakistan may!
I have explained the purpose of thread several times.....but you want me to write same thing again and again. Fine I will do it again.
The thread is about Zia's impact on Pakistani Society and how it deteriorated our social and societal dynamics. I said in my first post that I agree with everything in this article (one has to read the article first and there is no way around it) and the reason i am so bearish on pakistan future for next 25 years is because the country is being run by Zia generation and it is still in mid 40s..... and that it is everywhere!
I then explained the core of this thread in a slightly different way when i said that the writer is addressing the pakistani nation and saying:
"In your heart is your so-called Paradise called mardae moman mardae haq Zia ul haq Zia ul haq. O Pakistani nation wherever you go, whatever you do, whatever you say Zia comes with you. And he never leaves you....never....you embraced him fully.....your face today is what Zia preached 20 years ago..ugly, torturous and horrendous"
Those who read the article understood and commented on it as well. The point is that If someone disagrees with this article or my point of view he or she can make a point by defending Zia.
My comment on urdu/non-urdu was a side topic....there is some history to it...in past some posters attacked me for posting urdu articles saying that the urdu press and urdu articles are crap ....I do post a lot of English articles but if i find something good in urdu i do post that as well. when i repeatedly asked them that did they actually read the article, they never responded because i am sure they did not even know how to read their mother language! anyway it is a side topic and feel free to delete all those comments...I have no problem with that.
Now jaan kee aman paoon .... can i ask you one last question!
did you read the article.........? or at least tried reading the article? I am just curious.
JazakAllah for making it clear, brother.
Now we can discuss the topic at hand. I get your point of view. I agree with your frustration vis a vis where Pakistan is today. But let me ask you this, if you don't mind please. You're saying that root of all evils today is Zia ul Haq and his implemented policies. Correct?
He's dead, and his affairs are with his Creator now. I won't indulge in judging a dead person. Because it's a futile exercise.
So if he's the root of all evils, what prevented the successive Governments to not perform, or regain the ol' glory that Pakistan once enjoyed? You can have your cake and eat it too, but only if you apply your standard of expectation to everyone all across the board. We're all guilty in electing into power the same faces over and over without a shred of evidence to prove that they will improve the overall condition of Pakistan.
So what do you feel Pakistan needs to have happen for it to be on the rise rather than decline? You chose the leaders you have had time and again. Maybe not directly, but I can assure you that your candidate whoever that maybe was as bad as the candidate of the next guy/girl who voted with the same expectations and compassion.
Secondly, you feel that all source of Pakistan's problems is that Islam (Pan-Islamism, if not Islam) is embedded and woven into the constitution of Pakistan. Again, that's an assessment you are fully entitled to, or rather the author of the article is fully entitled to. But tell me this, what was the last time you actually saw the constitution being implemented? If it has not been implemented in its entirety, then how can we single out Islam as the cause of all of Pakistan's problems today? Wouldn't the logical thing be to implement the constitution, and have across the board accountability. Let the actual rule of law as is defined by today's constitution take place in its true spirit. Then, after a full term of Government that follows the Constitution to the letter, can we legitimately voice opposition to Islam's mixing with defining the framework of Governments, and other institutions. More than that, a major cause for a spike in sect-based bloodshed again is a result of Governments aligning themselves with different ideologies, and suppressing the other ideologies. Thus the outfits like SSP, LEJ, LET, and Etc.
What Pakistan needs is not to outcast Islam and take it out of playing any role whatsoever in Governance, what Pakistan needs is a Government of the people, by the people, for the people who will not side with or give unaccounted aid to any one ideology or group. Your population is nearly all Muslim. You would be acting the same as Zia if you were to forcefully remove Islam from public sphere. Do an honest survey of the country, and you would find an overwhelming majority that supports Islam's role in daily lives whether in the house or outside. If you find the result to be otherwise, I will apologize and retract this.
Like it or not my friend, but Democracy that you yearn for favors rule of the majority. Again, you can have your cake and eat it too, but if only if you apply the same standard all across and take an honest approach to things and analyze thing as they actually are, and not just what you'd like them to be. A strong Government that has willed itself to take no aid from any brother countries, undercome no influence from any brother country, and wants to implement the constitution to the letter, will allow us to more accurately pinpoint the cause of Pakistan's woes. But I suspect a sincere Government that implements and follows the constitution instead of finding backdoors to go around existing laws, will already have solved a large majority of the problem faced by the country including terrorism. Only if!
Please keep to the point. I understand my signature may have left a profound impression on you, but lets discuss the issue at hand factually. There's time for 'funny guy'; then there's time for mature discussion.
PS: Let me jump the gun, and give you this right now. Uneducated individuals who have donned themselves the title of Maulana are a cause of the problem, and have played a big part in Pakistan's overall decline. It's them, but on the whole it's Government's lack of educational initiatives that gave them room to grow because they provided cheap alternative to poor families who had no hopes of income/food/education of any kind. Zia ul Haq is no longer around, or alive, think here and now.
And Yes, I read the entire article. It's thought-provoking.
**Feel free to replace Islam in what I have said with Religion in general, it's all the same as far as Pakistan's situation is concerned.