Your Views and Dr. Zakir Naik!

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Bhai main nahin bata sakta, Dr. Zakir Naik se poochiye.

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Aap jaisa insan nahi bata sakta to Dr.zakir naik kya batayenge....:D

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edited.

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....:(

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Sari tareef ALLAH ke liye hain. sorry agar meri baat aapko tanz lagi, maaf kijiye, galti se kah diya.

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I think he is doing ... aaen baaene shaaeen............. :D

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First of all, I must warm welcome you in our religion Islam. I am glad to know that and I pray to Allah that whatever questions you are going through regarding Islam, May Allah help you in finding the right answers and make you a better Muslim. (& I pray to Allah the same for me).
I am really interested in knowing your story of converting to Muslim.

Now coming to your points… I am not offended as I told you, we will keep the discussion healthy, I wont want you to loose your hopes.

If not Dr. Zakir, I hope you find someone who can answer your question BUT believe me… according to my understanding, he fully answered your question. I still must say, I really dont understand, where your question is coming from :bummer: So I guess leave the issue here.

I am sorry but I need to ask again, are you saying, why make a huge issue of “how people disrespect Islam” when we are not even ready to follow it?? Is it your question??

If it is your question, I will try to make it understand it through an example, easy one!
We love our mother… you do, I do, they do, everyone does! But there are times in our lives that in certain cases we dont obey her! Either we make her understand or we do Nakhray… whatever… but we do what we want to do… but that doesnt mean, someone can come, insult her and we stay quite only because we dont obey her in certain situations!!
Same case, we sometimes dont follow our religion properly… but that doesn’t mean someone can come, insult or disrespect our religion and we stay quite!! This is Love!! As Love towards mother, love towards Our religion.

Naam ke Muslims are people who you are talking about, about whom you said, way of kuffar suits them more…
No, it has nothing to do with me, I have ALSO met a lot of Naam ke Muslims, but because I am a borne Muslim, I dont get confused of their deeds… because I know what is right and what is wrong.. You are a convertee and I can really understand how double standards of some Muslims can confuse you.
I totally understand you and therefore I suggest you not to focus on what other Muslims are doing, instead learn Quran Pak and be better than them.

There is a very famous saying too, "If you want to learn about Islam, Go study Islam, don’t study the Muslims, Islam is perfect, Muslims are not!!

No, I didnt ask a proof for myself. You should get yourself ready to prove yourself to Allah. You are only answerable to Him, Not me! Not anyone! By proving us, I didnt mean the people of GS, by us, I meant Muslims… If you see, a lot of Muslims are not following the Shariah.. let them do whatever they are doing, they will have to pay for their sins… You do what you think you should.. if you think, following shariah can make your life beautiful… go ahead and follow it. You are absolutely right! There is no doubt. And if I find you a better Muslim then me, I woud definitely pray to Allah to direct me the right path like you.

Dont get Hyper- Thats what I am trying to make you understand. Allama Iqbal is just a poet and is a human. His poetries are just his thoughts about Muslims in terms of Islam & I must again mention “HIS” thoughts!! How can you conclude or ask a question on behalf of an individual’s thoughts about Muslims or Islam??
As I have a freedom to express, if you have then he has it too… he expressed it! Let him do it!

I agree! May every Muslims think this way!!

I haven’t gone through his video wher he mentioned about Pigs. I can only discuss once I go through it. I will do that. I hope, you get the answers of your every question and that satisfy you, too!

sorry, didnt get what you meant!

I never declared I am a perfect Muslim. But you are surrounded by Muslim like me is totally unfair… there are most of the Haram things that I dont do.. but I wish to be a perfect Muslim and Pray to Allah everytime to direct me the right path.
Mainn gunah kerti hun to mujhay uska ehsaas rehta hay…kuch log aisay bhi hain, jinhay ehsas bhi nahin hota!!

Really? I didnt know that! but again, main unki utni hi baat manungi jo mujhay lagega ke its logical and islamic. My thread is a proof of it.

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The thread asked for our opinion of Zakir Naik, and mine is (like couple other people said before) "clown"

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If Zakir Naik is a good muslim preacher then he should keep to his religion and shut up about other religions. He goes on and on comparing religions trying to prove his is the best by selective interpretation and false translation of other religious texts to keep his audience happy. So he is a trouble maker of the first order. Debunking the misquoted and half quoted verses of Yajurveda by zakir naik. | Sanatan Sinhnaad

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Peace raj_ind and calypsodc,

Let assume an explanation given by Dr. Zakir Naik about something, that we found incorrect/illogical either its related to religion Islam or related to any other religion (in comparative religion study), then what? Shall we start criticizing him or shall we further investigate the matter by our own and come up with correct logic then try to heal others?

Do you remember his 2+2 forumla? Allow me to re-write again in short he said one student answered 2+2 is = 4 whereas another student answered its = 5. Now the question is who's answer is correct? The one answered 4 or the another who answered 5. Ofcoz every1 say the first student who answered 4. But the point of ponder is who established that 2+2=4 is 100% correct? What was the logic behind and why we blindly believe in that 4 is correct answer not 5 without any further investigation?

Either you agree or disagree but we all are very lazy and depending or others (system) too much and when sometime (a system) goes against our likes we start criticizing it rather then further studying about it (that system) and to make it easy (as heal) for us and for others too.

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this is from the link you posted…what is Dr.zakir naik twisting here…please elaborate..

Zakir Naik: “shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
The truth: “Sa Paryagaachukramkayamvranmasnaveer shuddhampapviddham
kavirmanishi paribhuh svayambhuryathatathyatorthan vyadghachaashwatibhyah samabhyah”
He (The Supreme) is pervasive, is magnificient. He is bodiless, nerveless and doesnt have pores.
He is pure and sinless. He is poet (here poet means he can create anything he imagines), he himself is language (ruler of mind, from where the words come), victorious and the onecreated by him/herself. He has managed since eternity for everyone all source as-qualified.
[Yajurveda 40:8]

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may be i have some comprehension problem.....but i see only difference in words used by translators.....

Zakir Naik:: The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
“Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
[Yajurveda 40:16]8
The Truth::
AGNE NAYA SUPATHA RAYE ASMANVISHWANI DEVVAYUNANI VIDWANA |
————-(40/16,Yajurveda)
O Lord ! you are aware of all our deeds. Please enlighten us and lead us to the path of growth and spiritual development.

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The site you posted did not really contradict with all but one verse of Yajurveda 40:9. That site just added the full translations.

And if you search all of his translations, many sites quote the same as he did on his site. What I mean is that he is not the only one quoting these translations.

But some Hindus can translate the way they think is correct. Not all do that though.

FORMLESS PATH: In Yajurveda it clearly declares what not to worship as God.

I see Ninja beat me to that…:hehe:

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I feel that we have already exchanged thoughts relevant to this topic. So there is nothing that I can say more on this. Thanks for all ur good wishes for me, I value it a lot.

Yahah ek galat fehmi rah gayi hai jisko door karna chahoonga. Aapne mujhse poocha tha...

**I dont know what kind of Muslims you are surrounded by!!

**Aur jawab me maine likha tha........

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Same like urself, better in some cases, any doubt, feel free to remove.
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Kisi soorat me ye mat samajhiyega ki maine aapke liye aisa likha tha. Main kahna chahta tha ki main aise hi muslims ke beech rehta hoon jinke beech aap rahti hain. Aur kuch haalat me woh jinke saath main rahta hoon, behtar muslims hain. Aap par ya kisi aur par koi zaati comment karne ka koi matlab nahin banta. Isliye galatfehmi ko door kar lijiye.

Thanks.

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More later cos I am a little busy these days. but to start with:

The verse (8/6/10) of the Rig-Veda says,

*Ahamiddhi pituspari medhamrtasya jagrabha

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Aham surya ivajrani ll *

"I from my Father have received deep knowledge of the

Holy Law: I was born like unto the Sun." (Tr: ibid, p- 396).

In this verse the word ahamiddhi stands for "I have

received." But as the word spells like Ahammad, the other name of Muhammad,

Zakir Naik claims that the verse mentions Muhammad, which shows how he is prone

to error on account of his Islamic bias.

What the Rig-Veda actually says about Prophet Muhammad: Two Sanskrit words samsata and narasamsa play the central role in these arguments of Zakir Naik. According to him the word samsata stands for an individual who praises. In Arabic, such an individual is called Ahammad, the other name of Prophet Muhammad. Therefore, wherever he could find the word samsata, he took it as the mentioning of your Prophet.
According to him, the second word narasamsa means an individual who is to be praised or who is praiseworthy. The Arabic word Muhammad means a man who is praiseworthy. So, wherever he could have found the word narasamsa in any Sanskrit texts, he took it to be a mentioning of Muhammad.

In fact, both the Sanskrit words samsata and narasamsa stand for a deity or God, who is praiseworthy. According to Syana, the most reputed commentator of the Vedas, the word **narasamsa means a deity **or a respectable entity (not a man) that deserves to be praised by man.

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well explained. well said. :clap:

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The 2+2 analogy illustrates perfectly why his logic is flawed. He says that Islam says 2+2=4 (which is correct), while other religions say 2+2 = 3 or 2+2 = 5. Therefore, Islam is correct. This is not how religious doctrines stand up to each other in real life.

The real analogy is that Islam says 2+2 = 4, and Islam says that other religions say 2+2 is not **4. At the same time, other religions say that 2+2 = 4, and they also say that Islam says that 2+2 is **not 4. All religions, by spreading their doctrine, are saying the same thing (we're the right path), which again, proves nothing about which religion is "correct". His whole analogy is false but people eat it up like he just explained something incredible. That's the problem I have with him. He's either lying on purpose, or he can't understand the flaws in his own logic, and we should seek knowledge from people who can enlighten us, not from those who are clouding the issues.

At the end of the day, people see what they want when it comes to religion. No religion can be proven "right", if it could, then religious doctrine would be put up for criticism. It would be legal, and safe, to pick apart any religious text, but that's heresy in the minds of the religion's followers.

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Peace Ghost14,

If you read my post again and then your comments, you'll come at a point which I already posted earlier at post#36 & 39 that we will be in need to come to a word that is equitable between us and others, ofcoz with help of different religious book with only one purpose that we will not worship except One God and we shall cooperate with each others in righteousness and piety, but not sin and aggression, as stated in many religious books/scriptures.

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Peace Calypsodc,

Do you think the Dr. Zakir Naik is the only person who started comparing other religions trying to prove that he's the best by selective interpretation? I doubt that. Here is a quick glimpse from the History.

There is no doubt in that the most ancient religous literature of the Indian is the Rig Veda, which contains thirty-three divine (gods) names. Although the Indians donot believe in prophethood. They believe in Avatars or incarnations. The Indian avtars are the same in objective and principle, as the prophets of the Muslims. The aim of of prophethood and that Avatar is the establishment of Dharma or kind of divine guidance.

If we read history then we'll came to know that the Muslims were completely ignorant of the scriptures of the Hindus. They looked upon them and their Avatars contemptuously 'as infidel without religion', and believed in that the 'Hindu religion' is a corrupt religion, but in 1924 or earlier to that, some Muslim encouraged other Muslims to read the Hindu Scriptures which advented about the Last Prophet PBUH. Not only Muslims but also Hindus were encouraged to learn from their own scripture books and find the true salvation in the form of Islam.

Many books were written and published where many Hindus started coverting into religion Islam. The publication of the book set off a spate of protest and after few years, a large rally of Hindu nobles was held demanding that the book be banned.

There are many many books written by different writes i.e., By I. R. Jangharia, Yoginder Sikand, Swami Sharadhananda etc., etc., A Book 'Inside Congress' where Swami Sharadhananda wrote: 'while he was in Khilafat Conference in Nagpur with Mr. Gandhi, Some verses were read by a Moulana about Jehad against the killing of kafirs. Swami draw Mr. Ghandi's attention to this phase of the Khilafat movement, where Mr. Gandhi smiled and said: "They are alluding the British bureacuracy".

At the end I'll say what Dr. Zakir Naik said is based on his own research and hard-working of further investigation the matter and then finally passing to the audience.

Just for an acknwledgement, As far I remember I never herard Dr. Zakir Naik ever asked anything from anybody nor invited Muslims or others pplz to come and join him or listen his lecture. Peoples by their own free will with their choice visit and listen his lecture.

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Yes. Sorry to say but it looks like u do have a comprehension problem.Zakir Naik:: The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
“Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
[Yajurveda 40:16]8
The Truth::
AGNE NAYA SUPATHA RAYE ASMANVISHWANI DEVVAYUNANI VIDWANA |
————-(40/16,Yajurveda)
O Lord ! you are aware of all our deeds. Please enlighten us and lead us to the path of growth and spiritual development. There are no words in there in Sanskrit which translate to sin and wander and stuff. I hear muslims say ad nauseam that one should be aware of translated Koran since meaning and words can be misinterpreted etc. Kindly extend the same curtsey to other religious texts .