Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Unless someone can PROVE that Islam is divine, it is and always shall remain MAN MADE!

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

so in the statement… “I think I give God a lot more credit than you since I am not limiting his divine message to warring tribes of the 7th century”… just who is it that you are accusing of “limiting his divine message to warring tribes of the 7th century”?

yes, you’ve already used words like “ridiculous” and “anithesis [sic] of enlightenment” to describe what you’ve mistakenly convinced yourself of as being Muslim belief… so much for being open-minded and civilized

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Those who think that is the only interpretation of religion/spirituality that can bring one closer to God or experience salvation after death.

I am not reducing it to a personal level. I said “others find…” And some do. I happen to think that a Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew, Neo Pagan, Secular Humanist, Neo-Pagan, etc can find salvation. I don’t limit God.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

You need eyes that can see, ears that can hear and a heart that can accept the truths.

Deaf and blind like you, will not be able to recognize the truth even if you lay down 100 proofs infront of them.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

and by mentioning “7th century” you obviously had Muslims in mind… so it is about Muslims despite your evasive non-answers

except that your god seems incapable of putting things into a book and making that book applicable for all times… but i know that that’s a personal problem you are still trying to come to terms with

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

If I wasn't talking to a Muslim, I obviously wouldn't have made that statement. I would have made a similar statement (w/o the 7th century reference) if I were speaking with a fundamentalist Christian.

It's not a personal problem. I'm not looking for a blueprint for life and death. I don't believe it comes with an instructin book as if we were assembling a bicycle. For me, the problem is when I have studied the books that claim to be the end-all word of God, they do measure up as applicable for all times. And since you are a Muslim and you don't pretend for a second that there is any other route - I will say specifically I do not feel the Quran fills that bill. But that's me. You and many others do.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Why do you assume anything man-made is worthless?

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

now you are saying they do measure up! ok! end of discussion :wink:

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Heart just pumps the blood - it’s the mind that accepts anything. And working minds need reasons to believe anything.

What’s wrong in Islam being man made? Does it make it unworthy?

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
-Robert A. Heinlein

we give god chararecters like jealousy since if you are not loyal to him alone
you will be sent hell.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

That made my now infamous antithesis typo pale in comparison. I of course meant to say they don’t measure up. Now that is an error worth making fun of. :stuck_out_tongue:

To relate this back to the topic… It has only been the additions by man subsequent to their revelation that have made them measure up for many.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

My two cents:
Religion was created by man to control mankind.
Man is also an individual and thats what sets us apart from one another, if AQ wants to believe else and has his own reasons for that belief I am all for him, For ppl that disagree with AQ I am all for them as well.
Man who invented the wheel was a genius; men/man who started/harnessed fire were/was geinuses/genius, similarly there were men (moses,mohammad, etc) that were geniuses as well cause they figured out how to control humans. I am also certain that religion was definately created for peaceful purposes but the evil nature of man has, does and will use religion for dirty causes whenever need arises.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

No wonder why it was said that there will be more women's in hell than men. Reading the comments by shweetdreamz and pcg I am sure one can easily say it can be true. :)

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Let me share my thoughts on it.

I hope it would make some sense to that its one's personal choice what to follow or what not to follow.

One has the responsibility to keep searching for better ways to understand the nature, its origin, its destiny etc.

Once a person finds it by searching openmindedly, then there is better chance to stick to it.

Just by telling and suggesting someone what is right or wrong does not usually work, or its not long lasting, or even not so strongly followed.

Since we consider ourselves the most advanced of all creatures (or rather living beings if one has objection to being created) then it just seems illogical that we would not seek the answer of the question who we are, why are we here and where do we go (if we go from here) when dead.

It seems that most agree that there is some force/energy source/supreme being or whatever, exists and we are to live with some set of rules.

This set of rules is called 'religeon' and hence even a 'non-religeous' person is actually religeous. (In essence religeon means different rules by which a person lives both spiritulnd non-spiritual life such as day to day activities)

Now question was.............. man-made or not.

When a person follows his or her rules or adapts any (good) rules and says 'I do not want to follow man-made rule/religeon..............that person is actually following man made rule/religeon and here the 'man' is the person himself!!

Well then someone may say, Oh I just do not want to follow rule/religeon told/made by someone else! I want to follow my rules the way I see fit.

Here what the person is implying is that only this person knows how best he/she can live the spritual life by my own set of rules then that is considered debatable by most if not by all.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

AnwaarQ, what is the meaning of 'divine' here, can you clarify that?

Divine meaning, coming from God? But everything comes from God's creative powers, so technically we're all divine then. What is the yardstick you use to judge something as not so divine? Do muslims fall sick less, is the Quran surrounded by a halo, do muslim countries have more peace and love?

You're in love with an idea. The idea that you were born into the right family who knew the right religion which knows the right God. It's sheer ego disguised as love for God. I've been there, and out of it, so I know what I'm saying. :)

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Teaser..I am a Hermaphrodite…what does it say about us?

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

one of the few examples of the fact that religion thrives on fear. make people think that if they dont do A, B and C…they will most certainly end up in a place called hell.by they way teaser i’d like to know who died and went to hell and told u that there will be more women there…:smiley:

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

In order to keep the harmony and peace in the world, a certain degree of fear of consequences of bad deeds are needed. just as Police fear is needed on street.

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

i agree! but it doesnt change what i said.....

Re: Your religion might be a man-made, mine is not!

Islam is not a man made religion, our prophet pbuh is the messenger of ALLAH therefore the Quran is the word of Allah not 1 single word is created by man coz at the time when the Qurans verses were put 2getha it was made sure that not 1 single word was altered by the the human race. Today if ppl begin 2 say our religion is man made den just like the bible an the books b4 became misinterpurated so will the Quran an soon we will loose the true meanin of Islam then we will hav no religion to follow but the 1 ppl create.