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Enuf said? What are you five years old? Let me break it down for you once again son.

-Mughal Muslims live in north India (UP)

  • It is true that many Rajputs married into Mughals (which was shameful, but thats another story)
  • Brahminists did do a lot of harm to the Rajput identity. For him this split of Mughal-Saka alliance may have been bad, but it was reality.

Nice critique there..once again HISTORY supports his assertions if not his politics.

You just don’t know when to give up huh?

Lets start the next round:

Too bad this is a .pdf but go ahead and read up the American assesment:

http://www.chaplain.navy.mil/attachments/pakistan/history.pdf

Or Mr. Anup Reg an Indian Scholar:

http://www.worldmultimedia.biz/Culture/yuechih%20sakas%20kushans.pdf

Or go to library and read:

Basham, A.L., The Wonder That Was India: A Study of the History and Culture of the Indian Sub-continent Before the Coming of the Muslims, new and revised edition, 1963, Hawthorn Books, Inc., Publishers, New York.

Cernenko, E. V. The Scythians, 700‑300 BC London: Osprey Publishing, 1983.

I know Mr. Gandasa is giving you nightmares so check out more sources. So lets also talk about you mocking me and calling me a moron, regarding Saurasthra and Gujus…why so mum on that? Was that Mewar site not good enough either?

In the future, before you call anyone anything better back up yourself with FACTS. Even Mr. Gandasa’s work is verified by history. You want to challenge me that? I’ll break out the Mughal history starting from Akbars marriage on.

Go on, laugh some more..

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which part of lack of credibility of sources do you not understand, o fake rajput?

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Matty just give it up. Snide comments won’t get you anywhere. The record stands that I have not insulted anyone or their heritage personally. If you get you kicks off of doing that, then that may be your thing…but I’d rather take it to a civilized level.

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which part of lack of credibility of sources do you not understand, o fake rajput?
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What part of BS don't you understand?

You have yet to rebut these incredible sources. Frankly, a word of a scholar hold more weight...go on, come up with more empty rhetoric and one liners.

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to start with, your "scholar", Mr. Khshatrapa Gandasa's wise words, and your "explanation".

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The Mughal-Muslims, comprising the overwhelming majority of the subcontinent's Muslims, dominate in the historic region of Mughalstan.

-Mughal Muslims live in north India (UP)
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a. Mughal muslims is a loose term, with no rigorously appliable definition.

b. Even given all of UP muslims are "mughal-muslims", how are they anywhere near "comprising the overwhelming majority of the subcontinent's muslims"?

c. What historic region "Mughalstan"? As fake as your rajputness.

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to start with, your "scholar", Mr. Khshatrapa Gandasa's wise words, and your "explanation".
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To start with? Your already cluctching the last straws. WHAT about mocking me about the Sauras? The silence is damning.

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a. Mughal muslims is a loose term, with no rigorously appliable definition.
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Mughal Muslims = Foriegn Muslims who came to India associated with the Mughal Dynasty. I could care less of you consider it a loose term.

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b. Even given all of UP muslims are "mughal-muslims", how are they anywhere near "comprising the overwhelming majority of the subcontinent's muslims"?
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Read in context of history. Your a wicked one aren't you? When the Muslims attacked India and sunjagated it, the vast majority of Muslims were in the North Indian UP and other Mughal controlled areas. Who are you fooling? Mr Gandasa spoke in the historical context
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c. What historic region "Mughalstan"? As fake as your rajputness. **

North India - The areas historically connected with the Mughal Dynasty. Hell if you call Ashoka's empire Ashokistan its the same meaning.

Wow of all the sources you decide to beat on Gandasa, even then his work is supported by history. How about you learn top read history before you go about discrediting individuals.

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:hehe: i rest my case.

and just for closure, i never denied saurashtra of its rajputs, i was laughing at your clubbing gujus and pashtuns together, obviously unknowingly that saurashtra is half of gujarat, with your poppycock theories. thanks for the laughs.

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:hehe: i rest my case.
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Again, theres no point of EMPTY laughter. You have NO case to rest on. I have refuted EVERY single one of your assertions as wide ranging as Saurasthra to the Mughals. Mr. Gandasa’s points have been and can be verified by history.

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and just for closure, i never denied saurashtra of its rajputs, i was laughing at your clubbing gujus and pashtuns together, obviously unknowingly that saurashtra is half of gujarat, with your poppycock theories. thanks for the laughs.
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Not closure- defeat, yours. You have nitpick, made intellectually empty assertions and slandered..However, I ask, where are the sources? At your strongest you decided to discredit Mr. Gandasa based on his writings on Mughals (thats a non-sequiter fallacy), you called me a moron regarding Saurasthra, without any proof and you have attempted to discredit diverse and wide ranging scholarly work.

Now you come up with an OBVIOUSLY weak excuse of Gujus being grouped with Pashtuns. Who grouped them with Pashtuns? There are various interconnections of history. If you call these theories poppycock, when they are back up with individuals spending lifetimes over this, then I do not even want to say anything about what you have written, for it would be so lewd that the censors would be in place.

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individuals who spent lifetimes. :hehe:

ok this might help ease your misery - your champion historian par excellence, the guy who links pashtuns to gujus with his brilliance, mr. gandasa isnt a real person. he is a fake name mouthpiece of dalitistan.com. shabash.

:flower1:

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Psuedo-Rajput Fury do you have olive skin and do people mistake you for greek? :snooty:

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Queer, having a meltdown? I was referring to all the scholars who have studied history not just Mr. Gandasa. If what he says can be backed up by history and the sources are correct, why does it hurt you that it’s from dalitistan website?

Like I said before, try to continue with the empty rhetoric…

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Nahh Matty, I look like a human being.

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Queer, having a meltdown? I was referring to all the scholars who have studied history not just Mr. Gandasa. If what he says can be backed up by history and the sources are correct, why does it hurt you that it's from dalitistan website?

Like I said before, try to continue with the empty rhetoric...
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like i said, you dont have any scholars in your references on pashtuns and gujus.

prove me wrong, be a 1% rajput, and not the choora you have been so far. :)

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like i said, you dont have any scholars in your references on pashtuns and gujus.

prove me wrong, be a 1% rajput, and not the choora you have been so far. :)
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Whose connecting Pahtuns with Gujus? I guess you have decided to become illiterate when it suits you. You were the one who threw a spaz when I mentioned the Scythians. Don't change the topic to mask your defeat.

As for your cowardness, this thread is enough proof that you are speking without any sources, trying to discredit the sources presented. Boy, I must really be haunting you, as you keep on coming back with a new spin to an old whine.

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This talk of pure blood and diluted blood is pissing me off, tribal/nationalistic pride itself is haraam itself and here it’s leading to a bigger sin racism and looking down on others.

I don’t think bravery, warriorism, ghairat is genetic or innate and particular to any one ethnicity, its your upbringing, society, religion and culture which instils these qualities in you.

It doesn’t matter if you’re a mutt or a pedigree both are equal in status, neither one is necessarily genetically superior, its your own actions and taqwa which make you better or worse.

In Islam tribes, nationalities and ethnicities are only for identity not for thinking oneself superior, better than thou attitude and boasting over somebody else’s achievements, people who do boast of what their ancestors achieved do it coz they cant achieve nowt themselves.

It has always been that lineage is traced through the fathers’ side, it’s irrelevant how many Khatri caste women married into the family down the family tree, yes you’ll have their genes but for identity it’s the paternal lineage, which counts. In the Islamic days Arab men did it with Ethiopian women but their offspring was considered Arab not Ethiopian.

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I am Kakayzai......!

Kakayzai's are brothers of yousafzai's ,Sadozai's.and bla bla bla ...like they were eleven brothers i guess....btw if anyone has information about them...post it..!

Kakayzai's are from Samarkand-Bokhara...Central Asia

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I am Punjabi.

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I am Kakayzai......!

Kakayzai's are brothers of yousafzai's ,Sadozai's.and bla bla bla ...like they were eleven brothers i guess....btw if anyone has information about them...post it..!

Kakayzai's are from Samarkand-Bokhara...Central Asia
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Wow man. So that makes you a Pashtun. Interesting bro here, bro hows your physical appearance? do you look like UZBEK? coz Samarkand is Uzbek capital so, or maybe you are Samarkandi Pashtun coz there are Pashtuns there too.

I will see what i find, but how is it pronounced - is it - KAKAZAI as in uncle KAKA or KAKAY - ZAI . nwyas keep it cool.

p.s. which part of Pashtunland does this Tribe now lives in?

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Punjabi all over. My dad's Paki Punjabi, and my Naani's Indian Punjabi. Sadly, I don't speak it, don't understand it, don't really act it either (I still dont' really know what it means to act it, to tell you the truth).

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Re: Your ethnic background

Kaka Zai is a sub-tribe of mamumd in bajaur.
http://www.khyber.org/pashtotribes/q/qaisabdulrashid.shtml

Kaka zai also live in “Dara Kakazai” in valley of watlai.

This is so Cooool....