Rajput Fury, Certain classes of Rajputs were the scythians…certains groups of Jatts in Punjab are also scythians. When they came and lived in India, they became Rajputs. Simple as that… The kingdom of Mewar,ChittorgaRh, Udaipur…these were the Rajputs.
And you are wrong, they unitid many times. Like when they united to fight the muslim hordes, like they united to fight the mughals.
People have been coming into India for thousands of years, they become INdians. Like your ancestors… and mine. :k:
I would say Asian pretty much covers it for me. I am Asian. smile
I would just like to add that people feel somekind of belonging to some ancient past but stop at what is a romantic tale. Oooh I am from Moghul descent..but not descended from the hordes that massacred folks from Iran to Nepal. oooh, I am an Aryan, brahmin... forgetting that these were the lowest of lifeforms and the most barbaric of people. ooh..I am a tamil...we have a language older than most in the world..look how civilized we are...forgetting that at some point the aborigines from australia were banging in the trees of madras.
WTF...When you claim ancestory..why do you stop at the romantic portions. Talk about it all..how ugly it is.
Man i thought its r\locked for real. btw bro leave a piece of info here try to convince them who we are.
I am the PROUD Aryan
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WTF...When you claim ancestory..why do you stop at the romantic portions. Talk about it all..how ugly it is.
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Most people dont ask about our detailed history when asking our ancestory. They want a one or two word answer usually. I'd be happy to discuss the not-so-bright side of my family's history, if someone is willing to listen, but most people dont care past the first two or three words.
I've got all manner of ethnicity in me, can't claim a particular group.
Everything from Turk to Pashtun to Madrasi and most regions in between are present somewhere in my family background, we can trace back to individuals of all manners of ethnicities.
It's really funny though. The huge blend of genes leads to cases in my extended family where you may get very very fair people and very very dark people as brothers and sisters...
Maddi bro that is soooo true. My bro is like not that dark but darker than rest of us, though he is a Pashtun, but he was lighter in skin when he was younge as he grew older his skin juust became darker...
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Rajput Fury, Certain classes of Rajputs were the scythians…certains groups of Jatts in Punjab are also scythians. When they came and lived in India, they became Rajputs. Simple as that… The kingdom of Mewar,ChittorgaRh, Udaipur…these were the Rajputs.
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Weren’t you Kem Choing your Queer buddy just before? Lets TALK Saurasthra and Sauras and Gujus..45% Scythian stock. They “became” Rajputs because your Brahmins integrated them into the Caste system. Rajputs are a super tribe with Subtribes. The Kingdoms you speak of were comprised of the Rajput confederacy.
You see the Pashtuns? the Iranians? They are damn proud of their Aryanness..Heck even your Brahmins love their Aryanness..Don’t try to take away the Indo-Scythian Heritage of the Rajputs.
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And you are wrong, they unitid many times. Like when they united to fight the muslim hordes, like they united to fight the mughals.
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Your a liar…straight up, don’t BS around with Rajput history. Once again I’ll expose the lies:
Source: http://www.indtravel.com/rajasthan/rajas.html
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The Rajputs rose to prominence in the 9th and 10th centuries, and were a major force to reckon within medieval India. Passionately attached to their land, family and honour, chivalry was the hallmark of the Rajputs. They fought with courage and determination. Death to defeat was the theme of Rajput warring ideology. They would face the enemy with all the might even if defeat were imminent; in which case ‘jauhar’ was performed. In this grim ritual women and children would commit suicide by immersing themselves in a huge funeral pyre.
But the Rajputs were never united and often fought each other. Due to this lack of unity, the Rajputs were unable to put up a combined front against any common aggressor. As a result they are defeated or subjugated by the invaders and Mughals reduced them to the status of the vassals.
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Ouch…and all of this from a proper Rajasthani site too. If we had been united, all of your Delhi to your Kerala would have been ours..Earlier I said that Dravidian looking fellas have claimed to be Rajputs, Nepalis claim to be Rajputs why is doesn’t the opposite ever occur? You can blind a Rajput but he’ll never disown his ancestory (read up some history on this). By the way, I dislike the Mughals as much as I dislike the Brahminists.
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People have been coming into India for thousands of years, they become INdians. Like your ancestors… and mine. :k: **
Matty, we are SUPER Indians…Tell me what Indians stood up to foriegn invaders…who preferred death to slavery? The Marathas and the Sikhs took an opportunistic turn of history to beat down the Mughals…Who earned the Mughal RESPECT, the Afghan RESPECT? Your ancestors were peaceful, educated people (and I dont mean it as an insult), but the truth is that if my Hindu and other non Muslim Rajput brothers hadnt protected you people, you’d be praying in a Masjid to Allah, converted by the sword..Never forget that.
Matty, I take this VERY personally, so if you decide to say something about Rajputs…you should think twice.
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Matty, maybe you can disown your past but some of us (like myself) would like to remember and uphold the ideals of courage, bravery and honesty.
As for barbarism, who isn't guilty of that? You have Western Barbarians in Iraq & Afghanistan and Islmist Barbarians in the West, Hindutva Barbarians in India..Should we stop being Muslim, or for a Christian, Hindu stop being who they are on account of these barbarians?
There's a fine line between being proud of your heritage and claiming ethnic superiority. It starts to sound similar to stuff on nazi sites if it's taken too far.
RF, you are still not getting it. You are Rajput no on eis arguing with that. But the moment your religion changed, the Rajputness was diluted. Nothing wrong with that...it is good that you acknowledge your Rajput ancentry even scythian. Even teh warrior classes got intermingled over time. All your cut/n/pastes are theories. Prof. Bidwai and others have another theory, that Rajput are not a race but a social order. So if you prescribe to that theory you are claiming ancestory to a social grouping rather than a genetic stock. Kind of like what is prevalent in present day Saurashtra...the malhanwalas and the Lohanis etc..
That’s the case in our family too we have half who have wheatish complexions and the other half who are white/ruddy.
People use to mistake my pops for an English person when he was younger because of the brown hair and blue eyes (though his accent use to give him away) but now they’ve darkened.
One of my bro’s is like that, fair skin and blue eyes and he calls me and my other brother ‘yellow’, I think I must have got my looks from my mums side, I don’t mind the skin tone, or the eyes colour but I do mind my big nose, slightly curved bones and not so broad shoulders. 
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RF, you are still not getting it. You are Rajput no on eis arguing with that. **
Matty, I'll repost something you said below:
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Queer, let me share with you my understanding of the rajput bravado...these are the true rajputs, not the ones currently posting on a thread. In February, I did an academic tour of Rajashtan..I wrote this little blurb right after the trip. *
WTH was that? Not the current ones posting on this thread? You referring to me point blank. It's not that you insult me that gets to me, its the underhanded way you did it. You don't see me saying there are "some" Indians here doing this or saying that. I mean hey if you want to stand by Queer your Indian friend, atleast come out and say it.
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But the moment your religion changed, the Rajputness was diluted.
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Your wrong. Rajput is an ethnicity, not a religion. Like I have said countless times, Rajputs went from Sauras to Hindus, Muslims to Whatever. You will not dictate my Rajputness, only a fellow Rajput can tell me about that. Next time you go to Rajasthan, ask them about Bhattis, then tell me how much my identity is diluted.
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...it is good that you acknowledge your Rajput ancentry even scythian. Even teh warrior classes got intermingled over time.
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I acknowledge reality. You won't see me posting lies or non-sense. Yes Rajputs are Indians but they are very different from most of India. And I don't mean to insult anyone else. History has shown that.
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All your cut/n/pastes are theories. Prof. Bidwai and others have another theory, that Rajput are not a race but a social order.**
These are theories but the most widely acceptable and thus considered credible. These are not statements out of thin air like how Queer was making. Scholars have studied the Scythian background for their entire lives and come up with evidence to support it. Note that those cut and pastes were NOT from a Hindutva, Muslim site. They were all non religious sites..I reject the social order theory because the tribe itself is divided into subtribes with complimenvernmtal functions. Even if you want to call it a social order, it is still the PREMIER fighting group India has ever produced so much so that non Rajputs have made claims to downgrade us.
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So if you prescribe to that theory you are claiming ancestory to a social grouping rather than a genetic stock. Kind of like what is prevalent in present day Saurashtra...the malhanwalas and the Lohanis etc.. **
Again, pure Rajputs of India or Pakistan have ethnic, social and historical similarities. I do not accept any Qidwai or random yahoo theories because they come with lack of evidence. The Scythian theory has been accepted by the vast majority of Rajputs and frankly I could care less what outsiders think.
Nope..nope nope...you are a Rajput in name only bhaijaan. I have spent more time in Rajputana than you could ever imagine. Posting cut and pastes and reading a few books and trying to find affinity to a group does make it reality.
Scythian theory has been accepted by Rajputs. But you are not a Rajput.
YOur ancestors got a lot of mixed blood. Youa re also, aryan, indigenous tribal and muslim.
Udai Singh's progeny are the real rajputs. and don;t you forget it.
It is Bidwai, not Qidwai.
we are from U.P india..i dont know wat u call them..lol
haha rajputfury, your half-baked theories lack scientific rigor. they are from sources i wouldnt bother attributing even an iota of credibility even as a joke - your whole argument is based on articles by "people" like "Khshatrapa Gandasa" from dalitistan.org and fellow propaganda sites with pretty right-wing agendas. whom are we kidding here.
now dont get your knickers in a knot when i say this, i could care less if you want to consider all rajputs as one stock, and them being the same as pashtuns, as well as sakas, as well as sauras. but the zeal with which you talk of blood lines, purity, us, them would put hitler to shame.
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Nope..nope nope...you are a Rajput in name only bhaijaan. I have spent more time in Rajputana than you could ever imagine. Posting cut and pastes and reading a few books and trying to find affinity to a group does make it reality.
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Hey Matty, what have you offered on this thread? Nothing but word pollution and taking up space. You could've lived your life in Rajputana but it doesn't make you a Rajput. If you say that reading a book doesn't help, then that can explain your assertions of fiction.
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Scythian theory has been accepted by Rajputs. But you are not a Rajput.
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This is rich coming from a so-called American. Man, first get your identity in check before you go out judging others.
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YOur ancestors got a lot of mixed blood. Youa re also, aryan, indigenous tribal and muslim.
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The hell do you know about my ancestors? I haven't even discussed the geneological tree.
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Udai Singh's progeny are the real rajputs. and don;t you forget it.
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At this point I could give a rats @$$ who you consider to be Rajput or not. Don't whine to me if you have been shut down on every single point you have feebly tried to make.
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It is Bidwai, not Qidwai. **
Like I said some yahoo.
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haha rajputfury, your half-baked theories lack scientific rigor. they are from sources i wouldnt bother attributing even an iota of credibility even as a joke - your whole argument is based on articles by “people” like “Khshatrapa Gandasa” from dalitistan.org and fellow propaganda sites with pretty right-wing agendas. whom are we kidding here.
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Don’t try to mock laughter by that weak assesment. You sitting on your 'puter descrediting people doesn’t mean anything. Funny how these sites aren’t even Pakistani or Muslim based. Like I said, whether we talk in Internet, Scholarship or even in realistic your words are nothing.
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now dont get your knickers in a knot when i say this, i could care less if you want to consider all rajputs as one stock, and them being the same as pashtuns, as well as sakas, as well as sauras. **
Apparently you DO care. Here I was having a proper discussion and you drop by with your BS, and now your telling you don’t care? Reread your messages son…Yea lets talk about Saurasthra 
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but the zeal with which you talk of blood lines, purity, us, them would put hitler to shame. **
I have every right to talk about bloodlines. Try to stop me? Oh, please just own up to the that you have been effectively beaten. Dont grasp at the straws with empty rhetoric..
Okie dokie..you are a Rajput like I am a Hungarian. :k:
You sound more like a Bhil..btw. Are you good with Bows and arrows?
here’s some scholarly writing by your hero Mr. Khshatrapa Gandasa. :k:
*The Mughal-Muslims, comprising the overwhelming majority of the subcontinent’s Muslims, dominate in the historic region of Mughalstan.
Thus, the Mughal Caliphs married Rajput-Saura women, and most of the mothers of the Mughal Caliphs were indeed Scytic Rajputnis. It is only later that the Brahminists infiltrated the Mughal court and split the Saka-Mughal alliance. *
enuf said. chale aate hai..