Making ghusl (washing to make yourself islamically clean for prayer/fast etc):
Say Bismillah
Wash the entire body making sure that the water reaches all parts of the body.
It is obligatory to wash the mouth and nose.
It is recommended that you make Wudhu before you wash you entire body in the Hanafi madhab but not farz - I think you can make it after you have had your bath.
One of the things that breaks your wudhu is breaking wind but that doesnt affect your ghusl so in my mind, I would say that if you have had a bath and then you break wind , all you do is make wudhu again (but dont take my word for it - thats just my understanding of what I have read).
In my view, wudhu is something that prepares you mentally for namaz, so if i pray without namaz, 1) i'm not prepared for it hence i'm more likely to be careless, 2) i 'd be uncomfortable as i know my namaz won't accepted anyway, hence it would effect my concentration.
There's a hadith that says 'to keep good concentration in namaz, keep your focus in wuzu', so without wuzu, your concentration in prayer would definately be affected.
I take a shower and do the wuzoo while in shower. I am drying myself and I fart. Does that mean that
Q1: is the wuzoo broken?
Q2: and if so do I take another shower? or just wash my mouth and ears(even though foul air came out of the other opening).
Q3: do nothing since my NiYAt is clean.
Im no expert but I would say first of all, ask an imam but this is my understanding
Q1: is the wuzoo broken? YES
Q2: and if so do I take another shower? NO JUST DO WUDHU because in islam impurity that leads to Ghusl becoming necessary os not caused by breaking wind.
Q3: do nothing since my NiYAt is clean. Niyat has nothing to do with it in this context. Your wudhu has been broken due to a reason we know from the scholars of islam that invalidates ablution - end of story.
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Thanks Neely and Ma Mooli.
Let me explain my issue again.
I take a shower and do the wuzoo while in shower. I am drying myself and I fart. Does that mean that
Q1: is the wuzoo broken?
Q2: and if so do I take another shower? or just wash my mouth and ears(even though foul air came out of the other opening).
Q3: do nothing since my NiYAt is clean.
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1) The Wudu is broken, even if there is no sound or smell, but you felt the air pass...
2) No need to take a shower, just do the Wudu again...When you are taking a shower, you are already doing Wudu...No need to run water down your arms or washing the feet or anything...The only thing you need to do during a shower to complete your Wudu is to rinse your mouth and nose three times like in Wudu...
3) Niyat being clean has nothing to do with your actions...Can you pray Salat in a Bathroom, Mandir or Church despite your Niyaah being clean? Obviously not...Hence your actions must also follow your intentions...
1) The Wudu is broken, even if there is no sound or smell, but you felt the air pass...
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Yes I felt the air and do hear, and ocassionally smell it too.
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2) No need to take a shower, just do the Wudu again...When you are taking a shower, you are already doing Wudu...No need to run water down your arms or washing the feet or anything...The only thing you need to do during a shower to complete your Wudu is to rinse your mouth and nose three times like in Wudu...
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I thought Wuzoo meant washing your behind once, washing hands, mouth, feet etc three times? so in this case all I need to do is just mouth and nose?
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3) Niyat being clean has nothing to do with your actions...Can you pray Salat in a Bathroom, Mandir or Church despite your Niyaah being clean? Obviously not...Hence your actions must also follow your intentions...
Walah-o-Alam
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Obviously Bathroom NO (that would be an insult), but dont see why a mandir or church? It's a place of worship.
Verizon sahib, please do a wazzu after your fart...or stop farting ok. BTW...make sure that you say your Fajr prayer when its time....in winter 5:00 AM is a little early.
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Verizon sahib, please do a wazzu after your fart...or stop farting ok. BTW...make sure that you say your Fajr prayer when its time....in winter 5:00 AM is a little early.
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Well that puts me in a bind since I gotta be on the 0526 train and need to leave my house by 0515 so I can be at my desk at 0600.
I am sure however that Allah swt won't mind a sinner praying 1hr earlier.
Stop Farting: Well Dear Kaleem Farting is part of my genetics (comes in the family), Allah swt created me that way
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I am sure however that Allah swt won't mind a sinner praying 1hr earlier.
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Since you have the time in the morning you can pray the rest of the prayers before 0500 as well, after all it doesn’t take more than 20 minutes to pray those five prayers, Allah swt won't mind it.
^^ OK. Actually thats not a bad idea.
How would you do it MM? If you have to be on the 526 train?
I don't think the Allah swt will object. People may; but Allah swt I doubt.
Here let me quote Allah swt from Allahs swt Book:
Surah103-3
Illa allatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati watawasaw bialhaqqi watawasaw bialssabri Except those who believe and do good; and enjoin on each other truth, and enjoin on each other patience.
Surah 84-25 starts with the same verse
Illa allatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati lahum ajrun ghayru mamnoonin Except those who believe and do good; for them is a reward that shall never be cut off.
Surah 65-3
Wayarzuqhu min haythu la yahtasibu waman yatawakkal AAala Allahi fahuwa hasbuhu inna Allaha balighu amrihi qad jaAAala Allahu likulli shay-in qadran
And give him sustenance from whence he thinks not; and whoever trusts in Allah, He is sufficient for him; surely Allah attains His purpose; Allah indeed has appointed a measure for everything.
I can go on copying and pasting verses butthe point being that as long as you do good and mean good it is OK. I think
I think its about time some1 makes a logical post…lets see how good I am
See its like this, there are lots of people who would want a soap for washing their hands after they have made a nature call…! But seriously soap is not a prerequisite, but it is there somewhere in ur grey cells that u have to wash ur hands with soap or ur hands are not clean…agreed to a certain Xtent yes, specially when it comes to germs. In da olden days there was no soap, & people had cleaner hands, there were alternatives, which are rarely used today eg pumice stones.
Similarly a person who performs wodhu since da time he is taught, it becomes a part of him, & for some reason he doesnt have water, like da situation I was in, it becomes really sticky, its like not taking a bath early in da morning…so definitely there would be a sense of ickiness if ur performing Salat without Wodhu. Although u can perform tayammum, its still there in da back of ur head that there was no water, but Allah is Aalim, He knows best, & He accepts ur prayers.
But if there is availability of water & for some reason u skip wodhu eg, if its winter or if ur feeling lazy, this is not acceptable although if its a situation like a war he is 4given, but if its severely cold like - 10 to -20, then one should try & obtain warm water…quit being lazy if it was ur favorite movie playing in da theatres, u would be driving miles just to watch it
PCG, you read manzil? thats good! Where did you get it?
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The other thing that occurred to me the other day that i was reading Manzil and I hadn't done wudu was that its quite hard to put your focus in your prayer when you haven't done wuzu.
Point numero uno: stop talking about your bodily functions, really, people. It is not only disgusting and disrespectful (aren’t we muslims all about being respectful, especially in front of ladies - and i AM A LADY!!!), but it shows a lack of class. And furthermore, there is no need to discuss any of that in this thread, because the topic is specifically about the relation between CONCENTRATION and WUDU. Where does bodily function come into this? Its not a thread about what breaks your wudu - start up another thread on that if you’d like!
Point numero dos: Again, stop wrecking my threads! You guys make them into national disasters.
Point numero tres: Again, stop screwing up my threads!
Side-point: I got the Manzil book from my father who got it from his best friend. It was suggested to us to read it especially when we are feeling like we’re being buried alive (figuratively speaking of course). My father claims it has helped him a lot. I’ve recently started reading it, and I can also say that its calmed me down a bit. The good thing is that its easy and short to read. Not too time-consuming.
PCG, (sorry if I am ruining you thread again, but) another way of defining Islam is submission to Allah (that automatically includes submission to Quran and Sunnah). You know that there is a lot more sawaab on Iiman-bil-Ghaib (having faith on the unseen). So, its not good to unnecessarily scratch surfaces. I think your question lies in the same category.
Not performing wuzu is not a choice before offering namaz or reading Quran-e-Pak. What would be the constructive aspect of discussing the experience of performing such ibadahs without wuzu? One might do that just for the sake of discussing it, or may be for one's effort to overcome a psychological hiccup.
What I have mentioned above will be the reaction you should expect to see from most people - which is normal for a discussion forum. I think that you should be discussing this instead with someone you already have an understanding with, such as an intimate friend or maybe your religious/psychological mentor.
Not performing wuzu is not a choice before offering namaz or reading Quran-e-Pak. What would be the constructive aspect of discussing the experience of performing such ibadahs without wuzu? One might do that just for the sake of discussing it, or may be for one's effort to overcome a psychological hiccup.
Or you could be trying to understand the logic behind many muslim activities.
Knowing that the activities are legitimate, you can certainly try to understand the logic as it will make things easier. However, in general, this is a delicate path and you have to watch for pitfalls. For example, it is generally not advisable to discuss about taqdeer or fate. You have to have some guidance with you while you are discussing logics and philosophies.
Since it is all about submission, I consider it better to just do it because thats what I am told to and its easier too.
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Or you could be trying to understand the logic behind many muslim activities.
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