Use your head, Allah sent down the rules for you (or anyone else) to follow, not to meddle with anyone else's affairs (something desi matooz are obsessed with), especially when it involves someone's link with Allah.
I remember this one guy in a mosque in Lahore during Jummah Prayers, who shouted aloud right before prayer was about to start "APNEY APNEY POUNCHEY UTEY KAR LAWO WARNA TWADI NAMAZ DA KOI FAYDA NAYEE".
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How pathetic of a concentration and tolerance you must have for you to ruin the Khushu of your Salat by having someone saying "APNEY APNEY POUNCHEY UTEY KAR LAWO WARNA TWADI NAMAZ DA KOI FAYDA NAYEE".
If you don't like it, ignore it, simple as that...
I wonder what would happen if you ever had to pray in the middle of a mall with two other brothers while hundreds of people gawked at you...Can you concentrate then? Or do you need to pray inside a safe for your Salat to be according to your liking?
well i used to not perform wudu when it was very cold and we had to go to out side to pray in the lawn of our college for isha namaz ......so what i used to do was that i did wudu for zuhar then tried to stretch it ( samjh aaee?) as far as possible......some times it really felt bad....u feel that u are not doin right thing..although from shariah point i did not broke my wudu ..magar phir bhee ajeeb sa lagta tha.....
BTw no sane person will delibrately perform salat without wudu ....its like u give a test and then take exam transcripts with u...null and void as lajawab said.....
How pathetic of a concentration and tolerance you must have for you to ruin the Khushu of your Salat by having someone saying "APNEY APNEY POUNCHEY UTEY KAR LAWO WARNA TWADI NAMAZ DA KOI FAYDA NAYEE".
If you don't like it, ignore it, simple as that...
I wonder what would happen if you ever had to pray in the middle of a mall with two other brothers while hundreds of people gawked at you...Can you concentrate then? Or do you need to pray inside a safe for your Salat to be according to your liking?
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Thats why MATOOS never prosper. To be honest, I dont care, if that guy came to me in particular and said that, I would have told him to buzz off, but he got a nice response from the people there, even the Imam told him to refrain from making such stupid gestures in a mosque, quite rightly.
digital surgeon, according to me, the intitial answers from the matooz are not what PCG's thread (in my opinion) stands for, so learn to respect my opinion, just like you respect matooz and their opinions.
p.s. we are all matooz :) but I like bao's response
why are people jumping at pcg for asking a simple question? there are many times when we cant do proper wuzu and at times i know people have simply forgotten to do wuzu..
i know exactly how bad it feels
and why bring modmulsims into this?!!! geez.. give me a break!
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How many of you notice a difference in your praying pattern and focus if you pray without doing the standard water-based wuzu procedure?
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Ohh you mean if you are praying after doing Masah/tayammum, tell you the truth I didn’t feel any difference in my salat, rather I thanked Allah for the option he has provided.
Why do you folks automatically jump at my intentions?
Okay - so here is what my line of thought was and feel free to comment. For me, everything in Islam ought to be in accordance with science, although this is debatable of course, since empirical methods are not the only correct way to gain knowledge and approach problems.
So there must be some solid psychological background behind the wudu. I mean, why establish a routine that is empty of purpose? I don’t see God as having falthoo time to play with our minds as such.
So, many say - its a test, and therefore, we are to pass this test and do wuzu, which is just another way of saying “shutup and do what you’re told”.
The other thing that occurred to me the other day that i was reading Manzil and I hadn’t done wudu was that its quite hard to put your focus in your prayer when you haven’t done wuzu. Maybe I just had a lot on my mind, or whatever. But even by reciting ayahs by memory, I felt like I couldn’t concentrate.
Its almost like wuzu forces you to put behind your worldly duties and shift your attention to non-worldy duties for a few minutes of your life. Even if you are shivering with the water still on your arms and face.
Hm. I guess its stating the obvious right? But sometimes, you just see things a little more clearer.
so theres quite a few logical flaws in your post, which is particularly damning if you are advocating a rational perspective on things.
you say that rationality is not the only way forward, then you proceed to base your arguments on the implicit position that rational explanations are the only explanations. for example here:
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I mean, why establish a routine that is empty of purpose? I don't see God as having falthoo time to play with our minds as such.
So, many say - its a test,
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it might be irrational to establish a routine empty of purpose knowable to those performing it. especially since we do not have direct explanations from Allah as to why this is asked of us. however, as you go on to provide explanations, you seem to have in your head made us agree that rationalisation is the way forward.
secondly, over here:
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The other thing that occurred to me the other day that i was reading Manzil and I hadn't done wudu was that its quite hard to put your focus in your prayer when you haven't done wuzu. Maybe I just had a lot on my mind, or whatever. But even by reciting ayahs by memory, I felt like I couldn't concentrate.
Its almost like wuzu forces you to put behind your worldly duties and shift your attention to non-worldy duties for a few minutes of your life. Even if you are shivering with the water still on your arms and face.
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this is not remotely a rational argument. i can cite anecdotal evidence where I can perfectly recall ayaat even when in the halat of najasat let alone wuzu. Similarly, I can think about non worldly things without having done wuzu.
:) Ravage, I can always depend on you for replying with a spirit of debate, something that has been lacking for a long time here.
I said empiricism is not necessarily the only way to attaining knowledge, not that rationalism is not necessarily the only way.
Rationality and empiricism are not necessarily equal.
I never said that without wudu one cannot recall an ayat or think about non-worldly things. My point is really that I had one episode where I found that I couldn't concentrate on my prayer, and somewhere in my distraction it occurred to me that maybe if I had stopped what I was doing and done some wudu, it might have helped me concentrate.
And in fact, I opened up the thread to see if others see the same necessary relationship between wudu and the ability to concentrate in prayer.
Nimaz Jinaza (no relation to Al-Jazera TV) can be said (the most important in one’s life) without Wuzoo and with one’s shoes on. Similarly, one can pray without a Wudu and do a Tayamum (dry Wuzoo) if water is not available. I think Allah is more concerned about purity of intentions and less about a little piece of siht stuck on one’s ass.
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I think Allah is more concerned about purity of intentions and less about a little piece of siht stuck on one's ass.
Like the intention of Muslims to oust Ahmedis from the fold of Islam or to oust invaders from Muslim lands by any way possible is more important as far as intentions are concerned rather than what people perceive it to be…
But since everyone seems to clean up their act and their faces before meeting their bosses, the least one can do before worshipping the almighty is clean their behind…
Not that that’s too much but an unwashed behind is what we have all come to expect from you…Like a kid who has a perpetually running nose…
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:) Ravage, I can always depend on you for replying with a spirit of debate, something that has been lacking for a long time here.
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:) thanks!
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I said empiricism is not necessarily the only way to attaining knowledge, not that rationalism is not necessarily the only way.
Rationality and empiricism are not necessarily equal.
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I guess empiricism is a more restrictive view of rationality, one that confines it to what we can (consciously?) percieve. nevertheless, my context of rationality here was a much more basic level, logic/necessary evidence/waghera. one that would be encompassed in any view of rationality and any scientific approach.
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I never said that without wudu one cannot recall an ayat or think about non-worldly things. My point is really that I had one episode where I found that I couldn't concentrate on my prayer, and somewhere in my distraction it occurred to me that maybe if I had stopped what I was doing and done some wudu, it might have helped me concentrate.
And in fact, I opened up the thread to see if others see the same necessary relationship between wudu and the ability to concentrate in prayer.
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I see. if you were gathering info here I guess I jumped the gun a bit. As far as what you are saying is concerned, I remember as a kid I used to hate wuzu in the winter and I used to pray sometimes without it. i didnt really have trouble remembering ayaat.
I could be wrong but you would be hard pressed to find a direct correlation between the ability to concentrate in prayer and washing yourself a specific way before it. the most you could find would probably be that those who are most fervent in their concentration during prayer are also most devoted to performing wuzu properly before it.
Q2: If you took the shower and did the faraz, this would be equivalent of Wazoo. Now while you are drying yourself and you fart, Is the wuzoo broken? If so then you gotta re-wuzoo again, I mean it is only gas there was no liquid or solids that accompanied it.
I face this dilemma every now and then. I like to say my morning prayers at 5:00 am everyday. so I get up at 4:30 and shower, occasionally I fart while drying myself and I am faced with should I re-shower or just that "Niyat tHO THeek THee" and just carry on. I find it reidiculous to go and shower and go through the cleansing ritual just because I farted.
