Apparently not and apparently they just do selective reading, pick up on few words and then attack you and say you are stupid. How nice and mature.
Tell me about it. Anyways we've established our point and they have sorta, kinda, maybe established theirs.....well not really but oh well, we'll let it go! ;)
Re: Women say if you were raped, it is your own fault
okay CHERRY .................., khair all i am saying is no one wants to get into and accident or be raped willingly right? what we can do on our part is take the necessary precautions and do our best, the thread starter asked a question and some of us said YES and some said NO whether the victim is to be blamed partially, its everyones own perception.
First of all i am not talking about the girls who are too drunk to know if it was a rape or consensual sex.
You can not blame the women for something that she had no control of.
and for all the people that are saying that she should have been more cautious, well how many women fear of getting raped everytime they walk outta their house or at a social event. It's ridiculous. What about all those young girls getting raped by adult men? is it still their fault? I mean for all the people that are saying that the women "can" prevent it, do we need to build this fear in our young girls and women so they can be sure. Most cases of rape have victims that got attacked by strangers. And a women can be wearing a hijab or a burka and yet still it would happen.
To me its equivalent to saying if some one gets murdered its their fault. They should be "careful"
One more thing, its a very serious matter.. victims of this abuse goes through a heck a lot and can never move on from it. So before we say anything, we should consider that.
One of my friends told me that she went out one night, got drunk as usual, and when she woke up the next morning she found a wedding ring on her finger :aq:
I blame no one but her …
We still don’t know what happened to her, where that wedding ring came from… rolls eyes
Rape= non-consensual sex and no matter how DRUNK, HIGH or CRAZY a girl is, no one has a right to rape her....it's always, always, always the guy's fault. Stating that oh the girl should have known better because there are lunatics walking around is no excuse. The guy should be able to keep his parcel in his pants and go get a hooker. I don't care how drunk a girl is and walking alone in a parking lot in the wee hours of the night, no one has a right to forcefully enter her without her consent. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a fool.
Infact that makes the rapist even more of a jerk coz he is taking advantage of her inebriated state. Nothing justifies violating a woman's body. Nothing.
you know if you were a guy you would be more likely to rape a girl then any one else in this thread.
and as a girl you are much more likely to end up in unwanted situation with men.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say....everybody is responsible for their own behavior.
I'm not saying the rapist has an excuse or he has a "right" to do whatever he wants--he definitely deserves to be punished. Even in those very very few situations where it could have been prevented--a rapist is still a rapist and deserves the maximum punishment.
slippery slope sara.
This reminds me a lot of the thread where a girl was complaining her boyfriend was verbally abusive towards her after she insulted Pakistan. Lots of people here were saying she deserved to be called names.
A person is responsible for their own behaviour and actions. They are not responsible for how other people decide to react and treat them. Why? because everybody has a choice. You can choose to become a violent psychopath or you can choose to behave like a normal human being.
I am quite disgusted at some of the posts in this thread, but then again, I'm not surprised given the mentality of the people here.
There are many situations where if it happens...its unfortunate and the person had no control over the circumstances...
but there are other circumstances where if the victim was acting a bit more carefully things could have been avoided. thats NOT the same thing as saying she deserved it or she should take all the blame.
I agree with this. This is not to say that the rapist is any less guilty or that it's a valid reason to reduce his sentence. But I would also feel more sorry for someone who has it happen to them while taking all of the precautions than I would for someone who's knowingly putting themselves in a situation where it's more likely to happen to them, whom I would also partially put the blame on.
It's like if someone just leaves their wallet or purse out in the open in a public place and then while they are distracted for a moment, someone walks off with it. Even though the thief had no right to steal someone else's things, I would still partially blame the victim for being so careless.
Re: Women say if you were raped, it is your own fault
If I accidentally left my car unlocked , does it give the right to anyone out there to steal it ??? NO . And if he does , he should be punished . Right !!
Similarly , it is not fair to blame victim for her carelessness . A criminal is a criminal , no matter what .
On the other hand , yea one can show more responsibility to not to be in a situation that people can take advantage of her .
What about all those young girls getting raped by adult men? is it still their fault?
Are you talking about child molestation/child sexual abuse, or statutory rape (a teenager girl having consensual sex with an older man)?
Your comment reminds me of the Roman Polanski case (google it if u dont know). Sadly so many celebrities were out supporting this guy...and one woman even said "it's not really rape-rape." The victim was 13 at the time it happened.
So no this mentality (which btw was a really messed up thing to say) sadly isn't limited to just Pakistanis/desis.
Not every rape is date rape. Most are not.
I suppose when the title and article stated if you were raped it is your own fault, situations such as a date rape were what they had in mind when coming to that conclusion..
But other situations, such as a burglary, kidnapping...there is no blame or responsibility on the victim whatsoever.
you know if you were a guy you would be more likely to rape a girl then any one else in this thread.
and as a girl you are much more likely to end up in unwanted situation with men.
How dare you say such things about me? Just coz I spoke up about how it's always the guy's fault no matter how drunk the girl is, does not give you a right to make such sweeping statements about me. Watch it! And the moderators just sit there letting this guy say such crap about me? And I get infractions coz I talked back to a wedding moderator??
I too am disgusted at some of the posts on this thread and how people can just casually say the girl is to be 'blamed partially'. I have worked with rape victims and you people have NO idea the trauma they go through. It's the kind of situation where one only realizes it's intensity when god forbid, one actually experiences it.