But we need people like you in religion...You are a thinking woman, aren't you? Sorry if my last post offended you somehow, it was really not meant to offend...I tried my best to be as non-offending as possible...
But since you claim to be a thinker, shouldn't you respect other people's opinions just like you wish yours to be accepted? I just gave my side of the view, nothing more...
And I certainly wasn't playing god...Is being god giving your side of the story? Come on...
And why are you running away from religion because of a post from a little boy? You should educate little boys like me who don't know any better, so that we may grow up to be thinkers like you...
Come now...Don't leave religion like that in a huff...
Many boys on this forum have a solid single track mind. Only thing you get by arguing with them is high blood pressure. Leave them to talk about the best way to beat their wives without leaving marks.
It's so amusing to see women fighting an imaginary war to provide some purpose to their dull lives. Irony is, most of them don't even know who they're fighting.
Almost everything discussed here is *opinion. *Unfortunately your posts never come across as opinion or with anything else except that you are in 'the know' and declare others ignorant if they don't follow your interpretation of religion (or anything else).
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LOL. I don't think i'm inferior or oppressed guys. I live in the big bad west. I know i'm not oppressed. And I HAVE A MUSLIM MAN WHO SETTLED DOWN WITH ME. Why don't you go find a wife who deals with your crap. Oh, I'm sure you will. . . and I wonder what kind of marriage that will make, authoritative husband, submissive wife: what an exciting marriage.
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^ It is either wife dancing on her husband or husband mushing her into a dark corner!
The thing is that we muslim men have gotten a bad reputation via media so much that 1 person’s fault is making us all look idiots who beat their wives.
I have a question to ask all the girls who say that Muslim men are cheaters or beat their wives or are simply dumb .. Is you father that kind of a person? Is you brother like that? Do you think you father is a cheater? or the one who beats his wife? or the one who is just simply dumb?
I am sure most of you will reply NO to the questions. Now think how many other father are there who are just like you own father.. u do the math and if you get stuck with addition come to me.. i will help you.
The idea that Muslim Men are the ones who beat their wives is way too much blown up by media.
Lets look at the Non-Muslim world as well shall we?
There are men who are abusive towards their children and wives but there are women who are abusive towards their husband and children.
The point is that Islam has clear rules for everything. There are jobs that Allah has choosen women to do and then their are jobs that only men can do.. you don’t like this? tooo bad!
I have always felt bad at those women who actually give up the biggest honour given to humankind by Allah.. by far the importance of being a mother is far far far far greater then father..
Also, if you wish to work then by all means go ahead work after all you worked hard to get education why not use it and satisfy yourself but remember our ultimate goal is to please Allah if we can’t do that then not worth living …
its because boys jump in to tell women how they should behave in cases of hijaab but they have zilch to say about domestic abuse.
please dont tell me domestic abuse isnt common in pakistan and india.
right someone with an abusive father will come and say it outright on this forum that they were abused as a kid to be lynched by others in the future. "o shutup u feminist..u r saying this cuz u were abused by your daddy"
u cant ignore the fact that if a man does lift his hand to hit his wife...people tell the wife to be patient and ignore it.
shweetdreamz, that question was meant to be for a quick selfcheck.
I never said that men aren't abusive in Pakistan or India .. but dont' tie it down with Islam. You will find men or all race and ethnicity who are abusive and you will also find men from all over the world who are NOT.
What you are trying to address is a CULTURE issue NOT RELIGIOUS!
It does become a religious issue when men who talk so highly about religion and proper muslima's etc etc give women the idea that a woman's true Islamic role is to be "submissive". Its not. Believe it or not, a woman's true lord is Allah. Not her husband. I think most muslims BELIEVE that ISLAM says that a woman's true Islamic role is to be submissive to her husband.
I'm sorry, I grew up learning about the Islam where women used to argue freely with the Prophet and even subsequently with the caliphs in debates, and where they often used to win the debates.
In such a rich Islamic history, I don't see exactly room for the proper "muslimas" that Lajawab is speaking of.
What debates are you talking about? Muslim women of those times were believers…Can you bring up an incidence of a ‘debate’ with the Holy Prophet :saw: where a woman is arguing with him?
They were not feminists and doubters…They were believing women…
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126:
Narrated Imran:
The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women."
PCG, refrences of your so called debates and winning the arguments will be very helpful for the cause of "speaking your mind". Feel free to enlighten all of us pigs.
Women are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favours and the good (charitable) deeds done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."
skhan, man give it a rest…either provide a whole context of the saying or corborate it with quranic refrence. Lets not forget, Muhammad:saw: married Khadeeja (ra) and had a great deal of respect of her opinions and business knowledge.
Kaleem, for every Muslim, man and woman, Islam has been a mercy, a shield, a covering and way out of confusion towards that which is better for this world as well as the next…
Islam is our greatest gift…It is the means to establish a society free from many ills and a way to earn man’s ultimate goal…Paradise…
Yet, please look at the posts of women in this this thread and how they treat and question this mercy…How they question Allah :swt:'s wisdom and cheapen themselves through arguments and throw mud on those sisters of theirs who are truly believers by calling them names…
And this is just a post…Is it by any chance a tiny indication of what that Hadith means? Look at the gay thread cul and check out how many men and how many women support homosexuality, a grievous and terrible sin in Islam…
Is that any indication of what this Hadith means?
They are going against the very Word of Allah :swt:…What is the Word? It is a cherishable thing, to be upheld above everything else, even our own opinions, ideas and doubts and in some cases, above our lives…