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Originally posted by ammarr:
Its mostly about balance I believe. A lot of us are just blabbering here without knowing what Islam asks of us.
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Even if we were discussing this subject from a religious angle, Islam teaches you to educate and enlighten your fellow muslims...not force them to do something.
Hey, wait a second...what do you mean Islamically there are jobs that women can't pursue...?
What jobs are we talking about exactly here? I thought women are allowed to take up any profession they want as long as their dress code isn't being harmed...
yes, of course, no one here says let women be strippers, but I mean, what type of work do you guys think women should be limited to, if you feel that women should be limited at all?
Muzna, I believe you are right, sorry but sometimes I get so annoyed with how people come and say this & that is not allowed and don't do this, that with out knowing the correct logic or the reasons behind.
I have been working and will work as I have no other choice but to work as to survive in this world, cos if I stop and sit at home, will all those nice men come and pay my bills? Not all females have mehrams men who are in the position to support their wifes and daughters, every situation has to be looked upon with many angels not just one.
If women wan tot be strippers what the hell is the problem? They can be whatever they want to be. Stop being parochial and just worry about your job. There is a younger more able bodied 16 yr old who can maintain systems better than you and will not flirt.
Nothing wrong with workplace flirting, so long as it is kept a secret. Sexual harassment is different matter all together.
Flirting is good. More the merrier. However, one should make it clear that flirting is only intended for a little fun, and it should not be taken seriously. When things get serious, dump her/him.
Another good point raised.
What if a woman has no mehram? What if there is nobody in the world to look after her? Who looks after her? Do they take up a collection at the mosque and force her to live upon charity?
Muzna, no of course not. Women have not been prohibited from working...dont listen to anyone who says otherwise.
Now you know why Muslim woman are far behind, woman of other race and religion.
Ladies,
When a male try to tell you your proper place, tell him to "*uck off". End of conversation.
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Originally posted by ammarr:
.. and this coming from someone who used to make regular passes at cat-woman and sarah splendor? What gives?
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i really dont mind anyone telling me i flirt or even have a bad character....
but constanlty hearing names of these girls, who i have exchanged emails and PMs with, and considered them as younger sisters, does hurt....
cuz u r dragging them into something which they r not a part of....
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Originally posted by Muzna:
**Another good point raised.
What if a woman has no mehram? What if there is nobody in the world to look after her? Who looks after her? Do they take up a collection at the mosque and force her to live upon charity?
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after a period of starvation, even something HARAAM is allowed for a person....
i think u do understand the difference between normal conditions and not-so-normal conditions....
how many women r working actually because of the need to work????
and how many just cuz they get bored sitting at home....
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Originally posted by Muzna:
** Even if we were discussing this subject from a religious angle, Islam teaches you to educate and enlighten your fellow muslims...not force them to do something.
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Exactly my point. Hopefully this answers both Sadia and Chaltahai.
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Another good point raised.
What if a woman has no mehram? What if there is nobody in the world to look after her? Who looks after her? Do they take up a collection at the mosque and force her to live upon charity?
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Muzna,
I believe none of us here can give you a fatwa regarding this. Ask a local scholar.
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does it happen in pakistan? do women and men work toghether in pakistan? or you are afraid
you wil be killed if somebody finds out.
As time ticks by , more and more women are entering the work force in Pakistan.
This can be attributed to the feminist movement picking up pace in Pakistan, external influences, and an economic need for as many individuals in a household to earn money.
Thank god for Bollywood.
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Originally posted by Khairun Nisa:
*I would like to know what interpretation Armughal's assumption that women *should not be allowed to work is based upon.
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I assume it's based upon his reasoning that there is a greater likelihood of illegitimate relations/interaction between the genders occurring if women are permitted to work in an environment that includes men.
During the various Caliphates when women were not allowed to join the painting guilds due to the strict interpretation of Quran, the masters found themselves fondling "olive skinned boys" who served as their apprentices. It was culturally accepted and became the norm. Makes one think that what if men were the one's not allowed to work or had to be reined in or talked to before joinng the work force. How would they feel?
The below shown article is taken from: http://www.globalwomensrights.net/library/weekly/pakistan092201.htm
The status of women in Pakistan.
Pakistani society remains a male dominated society. Nevertheless, women are assuming position of influence in their communities, schools, workplace, government and elsewhere. Women in Pakistan make up 34% of the more than 140 million inhabitants and the adult literacy rate for women is 25%. Pakistan, as an Islamic society, bases its Personal Code Law in the Islamic Sharia. One of the challenges faced by Pakistani women is their right to work. Women stand at less than 20% of the salaried labor force. However, the new military government has place importance on the integration of women in the workforce. Already in some cities, there have been some changes. According to reports from the BBC, in Karachi, the government established a post office completely run by women and women now work as bus conductors in some areas. But some Pakistani Islamic groups believe that women should not work outside the home and that if they do, they should not mix with men.
In today’s Pakistan, some women have entered the public life where they have become decision-makers. Last year on an unprecedented move, the government reserved a third of the seats in the local council polls for women. Giving women an important role in the local governments. Although participation was small in conservative areas and some poor illiterate women had difficulties filling the applications for identity card in order to be eligible to vote, more than 900 women stood for election for 600 seats.
As all nations, Pakistan is not immune to forms of violence against women. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan report that 1,000 women died as victims of honor killings in 1999. Although the government announced last year that honor killings would be treated as murder, this still has not been implemented. The most endemic form of violence against women is domestic abuse. According to Human Right workers in the region, each year a large number of women are beaten and tortured by their husbands and the number of shelters and counseling services are not enough. Another challenge faced by Pakistani women is the difficulties in obtaining justice in rape cases because the police often refuse to charge offenders and, in many instances, the judges identify with the husbands.
References
Crime or Custom : Violence Against Women in Pakistan.
Human Rights Watch. 1999.
Rozina Visram. Women in India and Pakistan:The Struggle for Independence from British Rule. Cambridge Univ Press. 1993
Pakistan’s women poised for power. BBC. 29/12/00.
Pakistan women work for change. BBC. 24/07/01.
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Women in Pakistan make up 34% of the more than 140 million inhabitants
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Surprising!! If nothing else, this can certainly serve as a good argument against polygamy.
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Originally posted by ammarr:
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Women in Pakistan make up 34% of the more than 140 million inhabitants
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Surprising!! If nothing else, this can certainly serve as a good argument against polygamy.**
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But bad against infantcide.