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What I know that Saudies don't let their females go outside without Mahram. How could they do that unbeliveable.
One thing I know that their kids even know much much more about Islam than Indian Pakistani Adult muslim.
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i didnt get the last line
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Now read again I corrected my mistake.
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Ashi where are you from. My Uncle is in Dubai too. Soon I will visit them when I will go to Pakistan.
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i am a brit but from lahore living in dubai:halo:
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Good Good U mean u were born and raised in Brit and living in Dubai. And Punj Abi.
Nice to meet you.
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actually after only one year in london i went to kuwait and then now dubai, but yes i am a punjabi u can say as lahore is my adopted city but i am not really punjabi
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Salam Alaikom sisters and brothers, I am an English revert to Islam and wear hijab, pray (Inshallah) 5 times a day and strive to learn about Islam and practice according to the quran and sunnah. Not always so easy but may Allah swa forgive me my mistakes. I spent a little time in Pakistan in 2005 & would seriously love to come again for a lot longer. as would my non-muslim birth brothers. I had a few debates about Islam whilst there and found the 'fusion' of culture & faith both a cause of celebration and sadness. Celebration because there I found some of the most humble and honourable people who strive so hard in many small ways to preserve Islam with integrity, and sad because of such a denial of women's basic Islamic rights.
What was ironic was that I was really admired for my knowledge as a woman who is a revert and have encouraged my husband (a Pakistani Brit born) to learn and also practice... (we kinda 'nudge' each other along now!) Yet many women are unable to express who they would have for a husband, thier mother-in-law's beat them (why? This is so inhumane and completely un-Islamic) and women do not attend masjid. Yet, it is a sunnah that every muslim- man, woman and child to attend masjid at Eid festivals and also the right of every woman to go to masjid for her salah...or 'namaz'. Our beloved Prophet p.b.u.h once had to instruct his own daughter to leave her prayers during Taraweeh during Ramadan because she had used a rope to hold her upright. She was not banned from masjid, she was reminded to rest!
Pakistan has the serenity of the Adhan 5 times a day (something I miss even now) women predominantly wear a covering for thier hair, and some the niqab. BUT, in discussion with many uncles I was dismayed to learn that many who had more than one wife did not pretend to treat them equally (the Quran is explicit in that men may only marry one wife if by having more creates inequality and injustice), that a prevailent attitude was Islam is my faith - not my way of life. The two are synonymous, one cannot be without the other! Islam is so clear...women's rights are not an optional extra for men to 'indulge' if they feel so inclined. The rights are there because Allah S.W.A knows man's weaknesses!
Women do not enter society regularly (the point of covering is so that women can move freely within society and should only need a chaperone for longer distance travel).
I loved the family oriented culture, the nurturing of the mothers (but some were clearly disinterested in their off-spring...a result of 'arranged marriage?) and could be cruel!
I have many friends here from around the muslim globe...Jordanian, Pakistani, Indian, Moroccon, Syrian, Egyptian and so on (we are very diverse here because there is a small community and so we have come together...Alhamdulillah). From ALL these friends I have witnessed injustices from the husbands towards the wives...not always the same things, and some of the sisters as either (in one case) injustice to their own children, or being manipulative with the husband (in one case), I have always been astonished by many sisters who do not govern the behaviour and beliefs they watch their children display and cultivate and admire the many who do.
Islam is only as strong in the person as the person's desire to cultivate it. Many women, who have husband working all day, DO have an oppurtunity to teach their sons' Islamic attitudes and beliefs. They could say...'help your mother to clean, cook etc... but what I find more common even from supposedly educated people is...its a womans' job...if she has a daughter then somehow 'mother' becomes 'queen' and passes the responsibilities onto her child.
In Islam it is the duty of Mothers' to educate all of the children, to instruct in Islam and to be kind, to instill obedience (with a smack if necessary- but not violent beatings for minor misdemeanours) and so on. My daughter and son watch and listen to me performing my Salah and my daughter now joins me. They are learning by example. I attend masjid when I can, and our women come together at masjid once a month and eat together. I think these things are positive.
We also do try to intervene gently when we see each other behaving inappropriately with our husbands or children and do remind each other of certain Sunnah, Hadeeths, Rights and of times to pray etc. I think women being included in masjid is a valuable aspect of preserving and enjoying Islam.
What do you think?
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Koran 4:34
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other,
Sure, i feel so nice ...just like a lil' imbecile pet in safe custody of her master hubby.
Thank you so much islam...
women around the world feel so liberated now!!
Btw has anyone read of Queen Zenobia?
unlikely, she doesn't feature in koran
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Salam soulkurri,
you are not the property of your husband..he has certain rights over you, but that also means he has a lot of responsibility to you. Reading the male quotes are quite indicative of the arrogance and lack of thought that men attach when they deal with women. Allah S.W.A. makes things very clear men have rights over women and Women have RIGHTS over men. Men and women are equal. Each earns paradise according to his or her deeds. I heard one muslim brother in Pakistan tell my husband...you are lucky you have a blessed wife who practices (Inshallah...but Allah knows best not we mere mortals!)...because of her it doesn't matter what you do, you are GUARANTEED Jannah! Yet even our beloved Prophet practiced Islam and was fearful of the hellfire...that should be a very strong caution to all men in itself.
quote "why should women inherit?"
Answer- because Allah has enjoined this and Allah knows best.
We are warned not to ask too many questions...and this is why...when (as is clearly happening) men QUESTION the WISDOM of ALLAH S.W.A he will end up asking "who created our Creator?"
Allah did not enjoin 'too many rights for women', men deny too many womens rights
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salam…just a thought, but do these muslim brothers realise that ‘superior’ males used to ask Hazrat Aisha about the Sunnah, that the same woman also led the Sahabah into battle and that she was considered highly intelligent…to be listened to, to be believed and valued… a very public figure? ?Not a diamond forever buried in the marital home but shined brightly with her intelligence, integrity and superior knowledge. Our beloved Prophet also helped all of his wives with household chores…yet so many muslim brothers consider it to be beneath them…hmmmmm:snooty:
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How does a degree of authority translate to master-slave relation? Yeah...that's intelligent...
Hear of Queen of Sheba? No, I guess not...
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get real Ibrar.....your sciptures say you as a women are inferior and deficient !!!
and it also says that because you are inferior and have to obey your hubby without question or else he has the right to beat you!! In civilised soceities battering wife and or abusing her in any way amounts to domestic violence against women. I suggest you don't even know the meaning of the expression "women's rights".
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Allah S.W.A. makes things very clear men have rights over women and Women have RIGHTS over men. Men and women are equal
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Where does it say that?
2:228 Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and **men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise. **
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Hear of Queen of Sheba? No, I guess not...
Ever since masters were entitled to beat their slaves if slaves were disobedient.
And well, since you know of Queen of Sheba and Khadija , it should be clear to you that women in pre islamic world were not waiting for mohammad and koran to liberate them. Thank you so much!!
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Salam Soulkurri, My scriptures expound on many issues, as does the sunnah as does the hadeeths. Tell me where in Christian texts, Jewish texts etc a woman has any rights?
Islam is a way of life which is a choice, it should not be forced on anyone. Christianity denies women divorce, property etc.
Islam makes clear that the 'beating' of a wife is something which should not strike at the face, leave a mark, nor be forceful. I also believe very much that when Islam enjoins kindness and harmony this can only be achieved by content adults, not a 'master & servant' environment. Men choose to liberally apply the so called rights of domestic violence and ignore the harmony, friendship, and RIGHTS the wife have which are SIMILAR to men...the degree of RESPONSIBILITY lies in financial and not thought processes, clothing, family etc.
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Islam has given many rights to women. The problem is men, in their in insecurities and jealousies feel they're given the right to limit them.
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Right...but admonish, spend nights in seperate beds first.....oh wait...that doesn't make sense now, does it?
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And well, since you know of Queen of Sheba and Khadija , it should be clear to you that women in pre islamic world were not waiting for mohammad and koran to liberate them. Thank you so much!!
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What is the Islamic view of such women? Lady Sarah or Hagar (whom millions emulate every year during Hajj)? Duh...thank YOu very much...
...and who the hell said anyone was *waiting? *You think we don't know that Mary, the Queen of Sheba, Hagar, or any of these women predate the Quran?
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So does MTV...sod off and bug them for once, and clean that up before you even think about lectruing us on what is and is not civilized.
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Islam has given women rights.
Its the predominant culture today where women either refuse to exercise their rights or the men, family seem to dictate the woman's life (atleast apparently).
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But people make culture right? or is it the simply the case of generations following the 'crap' followed (created ??) by the earlier generations? or are people just plain ignorant? These are hard questions to answer.
Your last sentence was well said. That one simple sentence that most people do need to ponder on. It will not suffice before God that "it was not convenient at the time to do the right thing and or I was not aware".
(I hope I have not taken it out of context)