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^ This is what I was getting at in my post - that there are some circumstances where the violence in retaliation is almost understood, even if it’s not acceptable. It goes to what provoked the response and the individual’s “sabr” or tolerance of aggressive behaviour.
To Slims point, absolutely I myself would probably walk away knowing that violence even when instigated has consequences, but not ever person has that threshold or tolerance.
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I don’t know, Arzi. Yeh tu wohi baat ho gayi na, “ek sair tu dosra sawa sair.”
There are other ways to retaliate.
We are still talking about verbal abuse with strangers. You don’t always have to engage and stoop down to their level.
I guess ghostie is talking about after it’s happened, who do you blame.
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^Hmm, I’m confused?
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hi back 
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Okay, what about specifically with a girl giving “ma bhen” gaalis to a dude. He should just punch her in the face? Ok cool.
maybe I am on the wrong side of this 
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Don’t warry yaar, ghostie and I have kissed and made out…err made up alraedy privaetly.
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Yes, what happens after. I’m not suggesting that hitting back is the ideal way to deal with it, but if someone does hit back, within the context of the situation, I could see myself placing more blame on the instigator. In the examples I mentioned, which started this whole discussion, I’m inclined the blame the host/snooki.
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I checked the almost 40 pct figure. It was in the guardian. Reported findings of a group for parity - I forget actual name. Will do more digging. My preliminary thoughts - which will be modified after more research- this groups agenda is to ensure parity between genders. Which is fine. Just wanted to provide the source.
Of late, there has been a concerted effort to unearth perceived “injustices” against the male gender. The ladies protesting a speaker who had controversial views of incest, the Boko Haram thread where there was perception abt dead boys not receiving same attention being tantamount to discrimination against boys.
Just saying. Hope this post was relevant to the topic.
And no. There is ZERO room for violence as reaction to taunting. No ifs buts or butts.
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i stand by what i’ve said, but i understand what ghost is also saying and to an extent i can agree. if we’re talking about a kerfuffle between two strangers that happen to be man and woman. if the woman ends up taunting the man to the point where he snaps.. i blame both of them, former for being a little churail and taunting just to test a limit and the latter for getting physical (although, i’m making this clear now.. depends on how physical.. if he pushes her that can be self defence, but if he downright beats the crap out of her then no). in this situation, i would expect the man to walk away on the basis that it’s a strangers words, he should block them out and show self control. but at the same time, i do blame the woman too.. she is no child, and should know better than to continuously provoke someone and also show self control. however, i think the instance that we disagree on is the amount of blame put on who. i would say more blame should go on the guy for getting physical but that doesn’t mean the woman doesn’t get blamed.*
*i would feel the same way if the genders were reversed.
the issue of double standards, i also agree if the above scenario was gender reversed, then nobody would bat an eyelid. and that’s wrong.
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No he shouldn’t do it but if he does it, then I get it. I won’t be going on a rally against him for that because IMO an instigator is just as bad as a person who turns towards violence. And like Sehrysh said, not everyone has the same level of tolerance.
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It is not a comical sight, but making it one could be the solution. The only way to achieve equality in this is to change the nature of the physical reaction.
For example; if everyone carried around some pilchards, then in the event of stranger annoyance, one could just pull out a pilchard and slap them in the face with it. The stranger’s gender would be irrelevant.
See monty python’s fish slapping dance for reference.
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^LOL
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Domestic Violence / Abuse Statistics | Statistic Brain
Here are statistics : Source the US department of Justice 2013 ((August?)
% of domestic abuse victims being women 85%
% of domestic abuse victims being men 15%
Ratio of abused women to men = 85/15 = 5.666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
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violence, and stalking. The survey will be conducted in 2010.
Are Men and Women Equally as Likely to Be Victims or Offenders? The National Family Violence Survey (NFVS) found nearly equal rates of assault (11–12 percent) by an intimate partner among both men and women. If so-called “minor” violence such as pushing and shoving is excluded, the rate is around 3 percent —more than twice the rate found in NVAWS.
NIJ researchers have found, however, that collecting various types of counts from men and women does not yield an accurate understanding of battering and serious injury occurring from intimate partner violence. National surveys supported by NIJ, CDC, and BJS that examine more serious assaults do not support the conclusion of similar rates of male and female spousal assaults. These surveys are conducted within a safety or crime context and clearly find more partner abuse by men against women.
For example, NVAWS found that women are significantly more likely than men to report being victims of intimate partner violence whether it is rape, physical assault, or stalking and whether the timeframe is the person’s lifetime or the previous 12 months. [3] NCVS found that about 85 percent of victimizations by intimate partners in 1998 were against women. [4, 5]
The studies that find that women abuse men equally or even more than men abuse women are based on data compiled through the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS), a survey tool developed in the 1970s. CTS may not be appropriate for intimate partner violence research because it does not measure control, coercion, or the motives for conflict tactics; it also leaves out sexual assault and violence by ex-spouses or partners and does not determine who initiated the violence. [6, 7]
A review of the research found that violence is instrumental in maintaining control and that more than 90 percent of “systematic, persistent, and injurious” violence is perpetrated by men. [8] BJS reports that 30 percent of female homicide victims are murdered by their intimate partners compared with 5 percent of male homicide victims, and that 22 percent of victims of nonfatal intimate partner violence are female but only 3 percent are male. [9] Researchers that use city- and State-generated databases for analysis, however, attribute 40–50 percent of female homicides to intimate partners. This discrepancy likely results from omission of ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends from the Federal Supplementary Homicide Reports that are used by BJS. Ex-boyfriends account for up to 11 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by men, and ex-girlfriends account for up to 3 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by women.
Many researchers agree that better measurement tools are needed to determine how intimate partner violence fits within the context of coercive control. How the victim perceives the violence is another factor (for example, within some intimate partner relationships, the victim may not perceive a particular type of abuse as battering and may not report it as such).
NIJ continues to sponsor research to develop test and evaluate better measures o
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^ Above from National Inst of Justice. I cant copy link AND paste relevant portiion. Happy to provide link id there’s interest. Here is subset of above that highlights the significantly higher rates fir women bring victims of violent domestic abuse. Whatever the metric the ratio is 6-15 for women victims/ men victims.
NCVS found that about 85 percent of victimizations by intimate partners in 1998 were against women. [4, 5]
The studies that find that women abuse men equally or even more than men abuse women are based on data compiled through the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS), a survey tool developed in the 1970s. CTS may not be appropriate for intimate partner violence research because it does not measure control, coercion, or the motives for conflict tactics; it also leaves out sexual assault and violence by ex-spouses or partners and does not determine who initiated the violence. [6, 7]
A review of the research found that violence is instrumental in maintaining control and that more than 90 percent of “systematic, persistent, and injurious” violence is perpetrated by men. [8] BJS reports that 30 percent of female homicide victims are murdered by their intimate partners compared with 5 percent of male homicide victims, and that 22 percent of victims of nonfatal intimate partner violence are female but only 3 percent are male. [9] Researchers that use city- and State-generated databases for analysis, however, attribute 40–50 percent of female homicides to intimate partners. This discrepancy likely results from omission of ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends from the Federal Supplementary Homicide Reports that are used by BJS. Ex-boyfriends account for up to 11 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by men, and ex-girlfriends account for up to 3 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by women.
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We trivialize domestic violence by bringing up loose statistics without doing proper research and digging under the hood. The first thing that occurred to me was the MAGNITUDE of violence probably was much higher against women in terms of severity of injuries. Little did I realize it was this much higher.
So maybe this thread served a purpose. Brought to light things are far from “parity”.
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^ Your use of statistics almost makes it sound as violence against men should be acceptable or it is acceptable to overlook it because as a percentage, their victimization is lower than that against women.
Wrong is wrong - no two ways about it and that’s the whole point. Violence is wrong - whether the instigator is male or female. The only mitigating factor may be what led to the violence, and even that is a questionable defense.
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Once again, you miss the point. We are **not **discussing who gets abused more. Women do, no doubt about that, and almost every domestic abuse helpline/organization is aimed at helping them. Your studies also have little mention of how much male domestic abuse goes unreported, which is difficult to research and would bring those numbers closer together.
Lastly, and please pay attention here: we are discussing **why it’s acceptable to joke about hitting men. **Your posts are off topic.
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Ghost You are correct technically. Cause the title does state what u said. However the original post gave a stat of 40 pct of abuse victims being men. To me that was “the topic”. I haven’t watched the video. So yes this is fodder for another MEME. Point remains the original post - I am writing from foggy memory here - was also implying abuse against men almost as rampant as that against women.
Of course goes without saying no one should joke abt abuse against men. It didn’t occur to me someone would joke abt that. Should have watched the video I guess.
Now can u like my post please?
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Just read this. I don’t know how u came to conclusion in ur first sentence. Of course not. I was simply responding to the 40 pct stat in OP. To me that was the story. The gross exaggeration based on a group for “parity”. It never crossed my mind that presenting accurate figures is equivalent to excusing abuse against men.
As for ur other point in other post, u brought up some cases from men may go unreported. Even factoring that the rato currently at 6 -15 could drop maybe to 5-12?
Now please agree with me. I have had a rough couple of weeks here.
Sorry I thought I was replying to Ghost. Above sentence was meant for him.