While I agree that the dude from the how can she slap video reacted on pure instinct after being slapped in the face, I wouldn’t punch a girl half my size in the face just for mouthing off to me. I’m surprised you think that’s okay.
Where did I say it’s okay? I said they got what they deserved.
If I go up to a large drunk guy, twice my size, get in his face, and insult him for an extended amount of time, what do you think would happen? Yes, it’s wrong to hit someone, but common sense should prevail and you shouldn’t be able to hide behind the fact that you have a vagina.
Still disagree with that, you can just tell them off or walk away. No need to punch them in the face.
Using that same logic what would you say to couples then? The wife better never argue or say anything negative to her husband because then she deserves to get punched in the face or pushed around or whatever?
The examples I gave were of attacks in the moment, not premeditated beatings as you’re trying to suggest. I don’t care how calm you are, if I keep verbally abusing you, you’ll snap eventually. Some women do this and think their gender will protect them.
Don’t try to use the straw man argument of mixing domestic abuse with my examples of strangers verbally/physically assaulting someone, and not expecting retaliation. I’m shocked you’re actually suggesting that the guys in these cases should just take the abuse or that the onus is on them to walk away. Have you ever seen a smaller man repeatedly go off on a bigger stranger? Of course not, because they know that they might get punched back. It’s not right, but it’s likely, but apparently women should be protected from their own ****ty behaviour.
Well that’s what I was trying to get you. So you’re talking strictly about strangers then.
Also domestic abuse is not always premeditated, but since you don’t think that applies to this scenario it’s okay.
Again, it all depends on your personality. Not everyone will snap like you think. There have been times where I have been in situations which could have gotten heated up to physical altercations, but I walked away. Wanna know why? Because I was smart enough not to get into a physical altercation, gotten arrested possibly (high chance of that happening here in the city) , losing my licenses, job, health insurance, etc. So there is more than just one option of snapping, even in a heat of the moment argument with a stranger.
By that logic, people should just walk away before they’re about to commit any crime. I mean, obviously you should walk away, but what if the person is following you around and abusing you?
I will repeat again, this doesn’t happen with men. And that’s because the smaller guy knows he will find no sympathy if he aggressively provokes a bigger guy. Men and women are equal, so a woman should receive no such privilege either.
If snooki wants to literally get in a guy’s face and repeatedly verbally abuse him, she deserves the smack, just like a guy doing the same would have deserved a smack. I guarantee your “defense” wouldn’t have been as zealous if it was one guy hitting another, and that’s a problem.
Don’t get your logic about relating it to crime, because crime is premeditated, and you specifically said you were taking about non premeditated actions when I brought up couples.
And I don’t know where you have seen someone constantly following someone around and abusing them apart from high school maybe.
I agree with you that yes, a smaller man will not abuse a larger man for fear of getting his butt kicked. And yes I would think it would be very stupid for someone to do that.
I also agree with you that I am old fashioned that way. My dad taught me not to raise my hand to a woman.
Now if a snooki type was abusing me I would walk away from it. Would she deserve to get punched in the face? Maybe. Would I ever punch her in the face? Absolutely not. So i will pose the same question to you since you feel so strongly about it. Would you punch a girl (stranger that you dont know) half your size in the face if she is constantly abusing you?
Interesting discussion, guys. Reminds me of the time when my brothers got into a fight with each other and I tried to stop them by physically placing myself in the middle of the two. Well, they were so enraged, one of them threw me to the side. I went flying and hit my head on the sofa. That still didn’t stop the two of them.
I am siding more with Slims on this. It doesn’t matter if it’s a guy or girl, physical violence is not the answer, unless it’s in self-defense.
The bold part is my point. There’s an element of self policing in all laws and rules of society, and that should apply to women as well as men, as far as antagonizing a larger person and facing the consequences of that goes. The reason **some **women (and I’m not saying it’s all women) test this limit, or disregard it entirely, is because society immediately condemns a man if he ever makes the mistake of hitting a woman. In this instance, the fact that the **woman attacks the man, **still results in assumptions about what the man may have done. And you don’t think our culture is skewed about holding women accountable? That’s my point. Women get protected.
I wouldn’t but since every person in the world isn’t like me, it’s irrelevant. I also wouldn’t rape or steal, but that happens doesn’t it?
Again, irrelevant. Violence does happen. It’s a fact.
If that’s the case, a man hitting a woman, or a woman hitting a man, should elicit the same reaction. If the aggressor was provoked, the provocateur did deserve it to some measure, and the onus is on them, not the person who snapped, to deescalate.
Why not go off on the person who did the provoking instead of the person who snapped?
I don’t know why you bring up other crimes like rape and steal and stuff. We’re talking specifically about the punching/hitting of a woman who is verbally abusing you.
And it’s not irrelevant that you would not strike back against a woman because you (GHOST) hold yourself to a higher standard as well. And that’s a good thing.
Yes there is a double standard about this in society. I agree with you.
Perhaps society should come up with a law where women can be punished for being douches too, without having a guy punch her lights out. I dunno, maybe she won’t be allowed to buy shoes for x # of years. Would that make you happier?
I agree with you that society has double standards. I said that in my post earlier. I just don’t think that any side should be violent. Yes, it happens. But can we change that by changing our attitude and ideologies? We can try. Isn’t that what Islam teaches as well? The woman who consistently threw garbage on Prophet Muhammad PBUH, what was his response? Going by your logic, he should have hit her and taught her a lesson. Instead, he showed her kindness and she accepted Islam.
Because those things happen in the world as well. It’s just a fact. It’s a moot point to say that so and so would never do this, because many of us wouldn’t do a lot of things. The issue here is how we perceive something **after **it happens. The event occurring is a given, so let’s disregard this line of logic. Men hit women, and women hit men, and sometimes they are provoked. This is fact.
Society’s double standard is my point. Maybe the shoe fine would work.
Again, no. He **shouldn’t **hit her, but if he did, depending on how much she abused him before he snapped, I’d get it. I don’t believe in always blaming the person who finally lost it, and absolving the person who instigated it.
Does the answer or attitude or argument here change if a woman isn’t half the guy’s size? What if she’s his size or bigger? :halo: I dunno bout yall but I’ve seen women who are bigger than some men, or men who are smaller than women. jus’sayin
Yes , as stated before, I agree with you, there is a double standard in society in these matters. But the smart thing like you would also do, is to walk away.
As far as putting the onus on the person snapping, I think society standards are such that physical violence trumps verbal abuse. And that may be wrong in your opinion, but in most civilized society, that is the norm.
^ Yes, but I think context matters. If someone is going “ma behen” on a person, and said person finally snaps, I’d blame the instigator. But maybe that’s just me.