wow its watcher again now as a rangeela guppy...man why do u need to create so many ids...you were ignorant before and you are ignorant now..you were saying Prophet and other Shohaha were in their graves..that is what your belief is..how can anyone discuss anything with you when you think like that..
and if sex is on your mind so much you should get married..u should know that already
Sherry, thanks for the "references" but those references are only found on shia websites and are no where to be found on sunni sites or literature. Fabricating sources to get by, falsely attributing narrations to sunni scholars... ? Wasn't surprised.
If you know of any well known sunni website/literature which contains that fact, then please let us know.
Yeah, I am ignorant. Oh all knowing, man of knowledge Sheraz please enlighten me on these questions.
I know that shohada are not dead, they are alive.
But…
Where does it say that shohada can hear us?
Where does it say that a shaheed can then call upon allah to ask him to help us?
Where does it say we should call upon Shaheeds first and then that shaheed person will call upon Allah and then Allah will help us?
(I still don’t understand why do we need to take 2 extra steps to reach allah when he says in quran he is closer to us than our own jugular vein and we should call only upon him…)
What makes a person “shaheed?”
Is Prophet Mohammad Shaheed?
Provide your answers from Quran / Sahi Bukhari / sahi Muslim. Any thing else or any shia sources are null and void.
BTW: They buried Prophet Mohammad(saw) in his grave, didn’t they? I guess, it was body of someone else! HUH, all knowing, wise man sheraz?
If they didn’t why do people go to his “empty” tomb today? Stupid!
If shohada might not be in their graves, but their bodies certainly are. 
Man, I am just amazed on how people come up with stupid things like *“you were saying Prophet and other Shohaha were in their graves… that is what your belief is..how can anyone discuss anything with you when you think like that..
*” :lol: Well thats where they buried their bodies! Where are they, you tell me! Hiding in your closet? Sticking to your jugular vein so they can tell Allah that you are asking for help? Give me a shia break man!
PS: If you have any concerns, questions, and/or itch about other topics, please feel free to discuss those in their appropriate threads and don’t start other BS just because your intellectual ability hinders you to reply to the topic being discussed accordingly.
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can you please enlighten us all where Allah said that??
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Saying Salaam to Prophet is obligatory by a clear verse in Quran. I dont have a reference on me rightnow, but i am sure you can find it.
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Saying Salaam to Prophet is obligatory by a clear verse in Quran. I dont have a reference on me rightnow, but i am sure you can find it.
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If he could, why would he ask you! "clear verse in Quran" yeah right, not true until YOU post the verse.
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Saying Salaam to Prophet is obligatory by a clear verse in Quran. I dont have a reference on me rightnow, but i am sure you can find it.
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what clear verse?? enlighten us .. and if I could find it i'd help you by quoting the same.... but in my reading I couldn't . maybe i need your help here.
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Saying Salaam to Prophet is obligatory by a clear verse in Quran. I dont have a reference on me rightnow, but i am sure you can find it.
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Pagluu, did you have the following verse in mind?
"Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect." (Qur'an 33:56)
Iqbal
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Pagluu, did you have the following verse in mind?
"Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect." (Qur'an 33:56)
Iqbal
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thanks heaps Iqbal bro.
watcher stop trying to be funny when we are discussing about our Prophet..u are just being corny..and who was talking about their physical body? thats pretty dumb if you came to that conclusion 
anyways i would like to ask the muslims…where do you think Prophet Mohummad is at this time? and i said the muslims..wahabis dont bother
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Who you talking to? You really ruined your own thread… are you talking to some imaginary character man? Who is this “watcher”?
Answer my question if you could but nooooo you are busy thinking about people’s bodies. Loser!
PS:** If you have any concerns, questions, and/or itch about other topics, please feel free to discuss those in their appropriate threads and don’t start other BS just because your intellectual ability hinders you to reply to the topic being discussed accordingly.**
once again no one is talking about dead bodies..is it so hard to understand watcher
and i didnt ruin my own thread..its the wahabi fitna...i just praised Imam Ali but some ppl can't take it..other then Prophet you can't find anyone who can match His wisdom..can you? ;)
"We sent no messenger but to be obeyed by the leave of Allah. If they who have been unjust to themselves had come to you (Prophet Muhammed) and begged Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had begged forgiveness for them - indeed, they would have found Allah All-Forgiving Most Merciful." 4:64 Holy Quran
"(The brothers of Yusuf) said, 'O our father! Ask forgiveness from Allah for our sins. Indeed, we have been sinners.' He said, 'I will ask my Lord for forgiveness for you. Verily, He, only He, is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (12:97-98)
please read carefully
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"We sent no messenger but to be obeyed by the leave of Allah. If they who have been unjust to themselves had come to you (Prophet Muhammed) and begged Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had begged forgiveness for them - indeed, they would have found Allah All-Forgiving Most Merciful." 4:64 Holy Quran
"(The brothers of Yusuf) said, 'O our father! Ask forgiveness from Allah for our sins. Indeed, we have been sinners.' He said, 'I will ask my Lord for forgiveness for you. Verily, He, only He, is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (12:97-98)
please read carefully
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I am very aware of such verses in the Quran.
Where does it say that a dead/deceased person can ask Allah to forgive someone who is living?
Brothers of Yusuf asked their father, when their father was alive and he could hear, see, and understand what his sons were saying to him... hence he asked allah for their forgiveness.
In Quran Allah asks us to call only upon him and no one else. If calling upon dead and shaheed people was right thing to do, don't you think Allah would have mentioned that along where he says call upon only me? Simple common sense and little logic.
This is also in Quran, maybe you should ponder on it rather than wasting time to find irrelevant verses?
35:22 Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. *Allah can make any that He wills to hear; **but thou canst not make those to hear *who are (buried) in graves. **
This really hits the bone:
50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
I gave some examples earlier, here is another one:
If you are in a room with a person, why do you need someone from outside to give message to someone that is inside the room with you? Isn't that the most stupidest thing you can do?
Just like before, you will ignore/avoid my questions and continue ranting about something that is not even in the discussion. Don't avoid the tough questions by bringing issues which have nothing to do with me. Answer the questions if you are truthful oh ALL KNOWING & Wise Mr. Sheraz!
so you agree that brother of Yousuf asked their Father for help...and its in Quran...good good..thats my point!! atleast you agree on something :)
and then you gave this verse from Quran:
50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
I agree with this 100%...who would disagree with this? Allah is everywhere
now you didnt answer my question..Where is Prophet Mohummad at this time? i would like to know what you have to say about it
Imam Ali was the most intellectual person in the ummah-the door to the city of knowledge.
As for the Prophet, he is with Allah-where esle could they be?
Ye watcher kahan say tapak aaya.
I thought shaitaan is locked up in Ramazan.
Watchabhi, sodhar ja.
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so you agree that brother of Yousuf asked their Father for help...and its in Quran...good good..thats my point!! atleast you agree on something
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Whats so good about that? We are talking about asking help from people who are NOT in this world, people who have passed away, people who are not breating, people whose lives were taken away by Allah, people who have tasted death as all living things must taste death... When Yusuf's brothers asked their father for help, he was WITH THEM at that time, alive and listening to them! There is big difference between someone who is living and who is dead, hence this verse:
35:22 Nor are alike* those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; **but *thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves. **
If prophet was alive today, I would be in the front of the line to ask him to pray for our forgiveness and well being!!!
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and then you gave this verse from Quran:
50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
I agree with this 100%...who would disagree with this? Allah is everywhere
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Yes, Allah's knowledge encompasses everything. When he says he is nearer TO YOU than your own jugular vein, he does not mean he is there physically but spiritually and with his knowledge.
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Where is Prophet Mohummad at this time? i would like to know what you have to say about it
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Where is Prophet Mohammad? First of all, Allah knows best. 2nd, my guess would be he is in the heavens, just like other prophets were when Prophet Mohammad (saw) went to almiraaj.
There, your question answered. Now, how about answering my questions oh all knowing scholar of Islam, Mr. Sheraz? You want me to list them AGAIN?
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Whats so good about that? We are talking about asking help from people who are NOT in this world, people who have passed away, people who are not breating, people whose lives were taken away by Allah, people who have tasted death as all living things must taste death... When Yusuf's brothers asked their father for help, he was WITH THEM at that time, alive and listening to them! There is big difference between someone who is living and who is dead, hence this verse:
35:22 Nor are alike* those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; **but *thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves. **
If prophet was alive today, I would be in the front of the line to ask him to pray for our forgiveness and well being!!!
Yes, Allah's knowledge encompasses everything. When he says he is nearer TO YOU than your own jugular vein, he does not mean he is there physically but spiritually and with his knowledge.
Where is Prophet Mohammad? First of all, Allah knows best. 2nd, my guess would be he is in the heavens, just like other prophets were when Prophet Mohammad (saw) went to almiraaj.
There, your question answered. Now, how about answering my questions oh all knowing scholar of Islam, Mr. Sheraz? You want me to list them AGAIN?
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you are answering your own questions mr watcher..before there was a big fuss..everyone said just ask Allah for help and no one else..now you said you would be the first one to ask Prophet for help if He was alive..even if Prophet was alive then why not just ask Allah for help?
before you insisted that Prophet is dead in his grave...later you said Prophet is in Heaven (which i totally agree with)..now tell me this mr watcher..do we really need to see Prophet physically? is He not with Allah? you know Prophet was not an ordinary man like us ( i hope you agree on this)..Shias believe that Prophet was infallable..never ever made a single mistake in His life..we know He is with Allah so dont need to see him physically to ask him for help..and for the last time only Allah can help but our Prophet can ask Allah for our forgiveness
and no mr watcher i dont think i m a scholer..not at all..but its us who are really obeying the Prophet..Prophet said I am leaving behind two things..one is Quran and second My Family...so we are sticking with Prophets words and yes that does make me believe that I am on the right path
I knew i needed to spoon-feed you..dont be stubborn now..accept the truth
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you are answering your own questions mr watcher..before there was a big fuss..everyone said just ask Allah for help and no one else..now you said you would be the first one to ask Prophet for help if He was alive..even if Prophet was alive then why not just ask Allah for help?
before you insisted that Prophet is dead in his grave...later you said Prophet is in Heaven (which i totally agree with)..now tell me this mr watcher..do we really need to see Prophet physically? is He not with Allah? you know Prophet was not an ordinary man like us ( i hope you agree on this)..Shias believe that Prophet was infallable..never ever made a single mistake in His life..we know He is with Allah so dont need to see him physically to ask him for help..and for the last time only Allah can help but our Prophet can ask Allah for our forgiveness
and no mr watcher i dont think i m a scholer..not at all..but its us who are really obeying the Prophet..Prophet said I am leaving behind two things..one is Quran and second My Family...so we are sticking with Prophets words and yes that does make me believe that I am on the right path
I knew i needed to spoon-feed you..dont be stubborn now..accept the truth
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I never said I would ask Prophet FOR HELP. I said, I would ask Prophet to PRAY to Allah for our forgiveness.
As I said, all prophets are with Allah, but WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY CAN HEAR THE EARTHLINGS?
Where DOES IT SAY THAT A DECEASED PERSON CAN HEAR US? THey are with Allah or in their grave is NOT the issue.
Try not to contradict this verse:
35:22 Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.
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Did they buried our beloved Prophet Mohammad(saw) just like everyone else, or not???
You keep ignoring my questions again and again and keep on introducing new topics!
Prophet was a MAN, he was not like us off course but he was a man. He ate, he went to bathroom, he slept, he felt tired, he cut his hair when they grew big, he smiled, he cried, he was a MAN but VERY MUCH higher in level than ANYONE else in or out of this world. Don't make me post dozen verses confirming this fact. ;)
NOTE: I am not "watcher." Was he some long lost friend of yours or something? Do I remind you of him? Instead of worrying about who/what I might be, concentrate on answering my questions which you have ignored for past 4 replies, one more ignore and we will know you have no answers and no credible leg to stand on!