Bro,
No one gets angry-we just have different views. Let us agree to disagree. :)
Wa salama
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thank you guys for clearing this out for our corrupt guppy i mean corruptangel :)
how can anyone even imagine that Prophet was a non muslim before 40 is beyond me..we believe that not only Prophet is Gods best creation but He never committed a single sin in his life
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I said his PARENTS were idol worshipers. If they were not PLEASE enlighten me.
I NEVER said Prophet was non muslim and he worshiped idols. Do you even read what other peopel write before jumping in and writing nonsense?
That goes for you too mo-best.
Anyway... so was Prophet Ibrahim's father a Muslim or not?
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Sheraz,
Your clearly a pure Sunni brother. Alhamdulillah, the "40 yr old" thig is something Whabbis use!
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Sheraz my friend is a Shia. Sunnis don't ask Ali for help, they only rely upon Allah for help and no DEAD person can be a wasila between ALIVE human being and his creator!
So, when did prophet started *preaching* Islam? When did he receive his first whyi? At the age of 40. What did he do before that? He use to go to Cave Hira to worship Allah alone, did he ever take anyone with him.... I don't think so. If I am wrong please enlighten me with some facts with references. If not, then don't bring sectarian nonsense to justify your... nonsense.
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Sheraz my friend is a Shia. Sunnis don't ask Ali for help, they only rely upon Allah for help and no DEAD person can be a wasila between ALIVE human being and his creator!
So, when did prophet started *preaching* Islam? When did he receive his first whyi? At the age of 40. What did he do before that? He use to go to Cave Hira to worship Allah alone, did he ever take anyone with him.... I don't think so. If I am wrong please enlighten me with some facts with references. If not, then don't bring sectarian nonsense to justify your... nonsense.
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We, as Muslim dont believe that our Prophet, his family, or compinions are dead like a selected creed of people do. It is been promised by Allah to keep the shohda alive, let alone these great people who were responsible for bringing us the message of Allah.
The way you talk make it very obvious as to which creed you belong to, so it is waste of time arguing with you. kh
Found something interesting regarding this…
"dada jaan Allah mia say meray lieyey zaroor dua kijey gaa"
I dun see any shirk here?One way or other everyone intercedes.God listens to someone whose dear to Him.
Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.59
Narrated Anas:
Whenever there was drought, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to ask Allah for rain through Al-'Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib, saying, "O Allah! We used to request our Prophet to ask You for rain, and You would give us.** Now we request the uncle of our Prophet to ask You for rain, so give us rain."** And they would be given rain."
It is a known fact that some known sunnis practice wasilah, its not only a shia thingy hehe.
At the day of judgement me you and everyone will turn towards Prophet Muhammed and say Ya Muhammed(SAWS) madad as he will be praying to God for our forgiveness.
Corrupt angel bro
If Jesus can be a Muslim before Prophet Muhamamd..I don’t see why it is difficult to believe Prophet Muhammad was Muslim before he was 40 years old.
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We, as Muslim dont believe that our Prophet, his family, or compinions are dead like a selected creed of people do. It is been promised by Allah to keep the shohda alive, let alone these great people who were responsible for bringing us the message of Allah.
The way you talk make it very obvious as to which creed you belong to, so it is waste of time arguing with you. kh
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Shohada are alive but in a difference sense and we cant hear them and then cant hear us. They are alive in their world/hereafter which is different from this world... if they are alive like we are then why would allah keep them in grave... This is one of the misconceptions most people have that shohada and prophet's family can hear us in their graves, which TOTALLY contradicts quran:
35:22 Nor are alike* those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; **but thou *canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves. **
Now where does it say that shohada/prophets family can hear us in their grave??? Or when you go to their grave, does Allah tell you that go ahead now they can hear you?
Besides, who is talking about saheeds? Go back and read all the replies before you come in here and introduce a new topic!
Brother,
I am SUNNI-SUFI and by Allah I ask Hazrat Ali, the Shiekhs and the Prophet for help daily, my duwas nearly all include:
"O Rasool-Allah........."
The blessed ones are my path to Allah, you are wrong abt only shias asking Hazrat Ali for help-many sunnis do too.
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Brother,
I am SUNNI-SUFI and by Allah I ask Hazrat Ali, the Shiekhs and the Prophet for help daily, my duwas nearly all include:
"O Rasool-Allah........."
The blessed ones are my path to Allah, you are wrong abt only shias asking Hazrat Ali for help-many sunnis do too.
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Ok some ignorant sunnis do too... your point is? You can't make a dead person hear you, read the verse I posted earlier. I can't believe you would ignore that and still continue ranting about how Ali and other "sheiks" can help us and we need THEM to receive help from Allah. Astaqfirullah! Allah is closer to you than your own neck and you need some dead "sheik" in his grave to ask allah for help. What kind of logic is that!
You didn't answer my question:
Was prophet Ibrahim's father a Muslim or not???
Rangeela Guppy, either you are ignorant or just plain stupid.
Despite references from Quran, Sunnat, and Islamic Hisotry, you keep on babbling about the preachings and theories that were innovated for nothing but political reasons.
You, and the likes start feeling envious as soon as any believer shows even a slight hint of love for Allah's messenger, his family or the rightful companions. We turn to these chosen ones of Allah when in need.
Your brain has been poisioned to such degree that you call them deceased.
If they were deceased and dead then Allah would never have made obligatory for every Muslim to say SALAAM to them in every namaz that is prayed.
You keep calling them deceased, and i will keep on calling them everytime i am in need.
*“On that day shall no intercession avail except of him whom the Beneficent God allows and whose word He is pleased with” (20:109) *
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Rangeela Guppy, either you are ignorant or just plain stupid.
Despite references from Quran, Sunnat, and Islamic Hisotry, you keep on babbling about the preachings and theories that were innovated for nothing but political reasons.
You, and the likes start feeling envious as soon as any believer shows even a slight hint of love for Allah's messenger, his family or the rightful companions. We turn to these chosen ones of Allah when in need.
Your brain has been poisioned to such degree that you call them deceased.
If they were deceased and dead then Allah would never have made obligatory for every Muslim to say SALAAM to them in every namaz that is prayed.
You keep calling them deceased, and i will keep on calling them everytime i am in need.
*“On that day shall no intercession avail except of him whom the Beneficent God allows and whose word He is pleased with” (20:109) *
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So you decide to show your true intellectual ability: Degrade and quote irrelevant verses from quran. :lol I hope, mod read your post which shows how frustrated and angry you are when you can't answer facts with facts. :D Mod.
The verse you quoted has NOTHING to do with life in this world, it is talking about the day of judgement, when EVERYONE will be alive and well in front of their creator. And yes, that day Prophet will intercede for Muslims! Try again "kid."
Shohada are alive, quran varifies that. But where does it say that Shohada can hear us who are living on this earth? Where does it say that Shohada can help us? Where does it say that we should call upon them and they will call upon allah and then allah will call upon them and they will call upon us and try to help us from their graves? I don't know why we need some third person, when Allah asks us to call him directly and his is all listening and waiting for us to ask him for anything! Pure illogical!
There is nothing envious about people doing shirk. I am proud that I do not do this pre-islamic nonsense. A belief which requires some dead person to ask Allah to help someone who is living. What kind of logic is that???
Yes, Prophet and his family were greatest, Hazrat Ali and his family were greatests.... no Muslim can deny that fact. It is duty of all Muslims to love them and follow their path... not try to ruin the path they wanted others to follow by creating this dubious, illogical idea that a dead person or shaheed can help us from their grave by asking Allah... give me a break!
Let me give you a simple example:
Lets say you need money and only your parents can give you money. Will you send some deaf/blind friend to ask your parents that you told him to get you the money from them? Isn't that stupid? The logical and simplest way would be for you to go to your parents and ASK.
Same analogy in this matter, you don't need no ones help when asking Allah for help, you don't need no ones shoulder to step on to reach Allah, he is closer to you than your neck( if someone knows which verse varifies this please post...). He is all living, all listening, all seeing and always waiting for him to CALL him directly and not someone else.
Try again, this time with little or no insults. You only prove your dishonesty, ignorance, stupidity, blind-following of an idea that doesn't exist/isn't true, arrogance when you have more insults than material related to topic being discussed!
Peace!
See how close Allah is to his creation:
50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
If you have little reasoning power you would know that its MUCH closer than nearest grave in your town!
and who told you that Prophet and Shohada are staying in their graves?
Rangeelay, we are talking about Muahmmed(SAWS) and Hazrat Ali(RA), stop disrespecting them by calling them dead and deceased..
So you admit intercession is allowed when someone is alive? if not then atleast read the hadiths which I posted.
In our eyes Muhammed(SAWS) and Ali (RA) are alive not "dead and deceased in grave" end of topic
Stick to your topic about sexual harships before marriage , we can see yer frustration here :D
sherrybaby how are you? lets talk to rangeela as much as we can..once ramadan is over he will get busy with whatever he does lol ..rangeela you should thank us...we are keeping you away from u know what ;)
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Rangeelay, we are talking about Muahmmed(SAWS) and Hazrat Ali(RA), stop disrespecting them by calling them dead and deceased..
So you admit intercession is allowed when someone is alive? if not then atleast read the hadiths which I posted.
In our eyes Muhammed(SAWS) and Ali (RA) are alive not "dead and deceased in grave" end of topic
Stick to your topic about sexual harships before marriage , we can see yer frustration here :D
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Ok, dead maybe little harsh for you. Lets use deceased. Prophet is deseased. He is no longer with us as a person. He has gone where all living things must go. How is that?
Sex is part of life and islam does not stop one from learning about it... open up your mind maybe then you will start using logic to understand this. So far you are doing nothing but replying with blind-love and irrelevant info, answer my questions.
Sherazz, can't reply to facts so now you bring other topics in? I see your cowardice. :D Reply to that topic and I shall reply there with some mirch masala, hope you can take it unlike in this post - you can't even come up with a decent reply to your own topic. Funny how fast you shias turn to insults and degradation when you see you have no legs to stand on as far as facts are concerned. ;)
Well as far Prophet Ibrahims father being an idolator, is not for sure.
We believe that Azhar was not his biological father.Hazrat Ibrahim was the son of Tarak. This is has been confirmend by some sunni histortians
"Ibrahim ( as ) was the son of Tarakh. When Tarakh was 75 years of age, Ibrahim ( as ) was born to him".
Sunni reference: al-Bidaya wan Nahaya, by Ibn Katheer, v 1 p 139
also do check out
History of al-Tabari, v 1 p 119
- Tafsir Tabari, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v 7 p 158
ppl, stop wasting your valuable time with Rangeela.
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If they were deceased and dead then Allah would never have made obligatory for every Muslim to say SALAAM to them in every namaz that is prayed.
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can you please enlighten us all where Allah said that??