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does that beard refer to singers or what?
I couldn't get the meaning as well. Apparently, a dominated lady or a lady who is interested in effeminate males.
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@ post 97 In general there is this uncalled for war on feminists. Most feminists would say exactly what you just did - that is should be the woman's choice. And that where a woman is forced to do something against her will it 8 oppression.
I have seen similar charges against feminists in the west. Most are bogus charges. So such charges against feminists in South Asia are likely to have even less credibility.
Will there be an exception to this assessment? There will be an over enthusiastic feminist that crosses a certain limit. It has become politically correct to use them as an example to discredit the feminist movement. Which needs more, not less legs (no pun intended) in South Asia.
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A bit far generalising though. Even though she knew it would put her at a disadvantage she has nothing to lose from applying from the job role. BUt getting angry over someone who has requirements is not appropriate. Everyone has requirements some more then others getting offended over someone elses more strict requirements is taking it too far You wouldn't judge someone of their requirements in a spouse then why their religion which is a million times more imporant?
I was not generalising. That is what I stated some **women who practice purdah, rather than **all women who practice purdah.
@ post 97 In general there is this uncalled for war on feminists. Most feminists would say exactly what you just did - that is should be the woman's choice. And that where a woman is forced to do something against her will it 8 oppression.
I have seen similar charges against feminists in the west. Most are bogus charges. So such charges against feminists in South Asia are likely to have even less credibility.
Will there be an exception to this assessment? There will be an over enthusiastic feminist that crosses a certain limit. It has become politically correct to use them as an example to discredit the feminist movement. Which needs more, not less legs (no pun intended) in South Asia.
While genuine feminists do truly support women having the right to make their own decisions, there are also "feminists" who fall into the category I've described, who believe that feminism is limited to their own ideology and believe that if someone chooses something that goes against said ideology, they are "oppressed." Just read any thread discussing working women and housewives.
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Btw, in ancient non Islamic cultures and civilisations, it was women of privileged and aristocratic families who used to cover their faces. The commoners weren’t allowed to see the faces of the ‘Ladies’ (an attitude that’s alive in contemporary Muslim societies) Lloyd L. Jones has written a pretty interesting book on the practice of female veil in ancient Greece.
Below is the image of Eva Green playing the Sibylla, The Queen of Jerusalem (a Catholic Queen at the time of Crusades), born into a noble Frankish family (combination of German. Dutch and Fleming ancestry):
If I’m not wrong, Shakespeare’s Othello which is set in Venice (early 1600s) involves description of veiled Desdemona, a daughter of Venetian senator and member of aristocracy entering the City in a carriage. But don’t quote me on that. I might have to cross check this one.
I’m probably talking to myself here, but the point of these posts are the female veil carries is pretty meaty universal history behind. It’s always fascinating to read about the cultural, social, environmental and political significance behind the concept of veil. There’s so much to the concept and practice of veil than just dismissing it as something Islamic. Even within Islam, there is an argument veil was only prescribed to the wives of Prophet pbuh as a safety measure which is still holds true for many women in Muslims countries. Sad but true.
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I was not generalising. That is what I stated some **women who practice purdah, rather than **all women who practice purdah. .
I know i was just making sure. Read the rest of what i wrote.
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Apparently the veil is even older i heard intrestingly the niqaab began first in baghdad during the silk road. Men of many different countries would stare at the local women (which at that time would wear revealing clothes with their chest being visable. So the men became jelous , so the veil was enforced to prevent men staring at the local women and causing trouble with the local arab men. This is what i have hear so the veil orginally wasn’t enforced for religious reasons to begin with lol. But i need to check up on that.
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Backwardness has nothing to do with what you wear. It's all in the mind.
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doesnt the attire of christian nuns seem similar to a veil?
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^ I'm not certain of this but I think that the reason many people do not view the attire of Christian nuns in the same manner as they view niqab/chador/hijab may be that Christian nuns live separately from society and do not live "normal lives" and thus, there is no expectation that they dress "normally."
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It wouldn’t be considered backward or bad because those women have obviously made the choice to cover rather than being pressured or forced into it..
I’m pro-hijab and niqaab but I don’t agree with any girl being pressured into it, by family or society as a whole.. She should have the freedom to dress however she chooses..
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Just saw the signature. Very nice.
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It wouldn't be considered backward or bad because those women have obviously made the choice to cover rather than being pressured or forced into it..
I'm pro-hijab and niqaab but I don't agree with any girl being pressured into it, by family or society as a whole.. She should have the freedom to dress however she chooses..
same is the case with 90 % of the women who observe hijab, its wrong insinuated that the women are forced to become hijabis.
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I think if it's a choice then no problem. Like others said if some oppose it is because they think that women are pressured into it by culture or they are not making an informed choice. Kind of condescending.
To a similar degree some, not all, women activists may see mangalsutra, sindoor or karva chauth traditions backward in India. Even if women make that choice. Or in west if women change surname for husband it is seen as backward by small number.
Basically if men do not do something that women have to do it's seen by some as backward. Up till now nothing has been said about childbirth. Lol
Then as a counterpoint there are men's rights activists who think culture has shifted too much in women's favour. Why can't people be seen as people rather than a political message?