Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
Naqab. I'm surprised that you don't know about it 'cuz that's another reason Saudis are critisized.
I'm not supporting hijab or naqab.
But I'd like to know how is naqab an indian/pakistani version ?
Sheikh Abdulaziz ibn baaz (chief mufti of saudi arabia before he passed away) said its naqab which was referred to in the quran.
So was he influenced by Indian/Pakistani cultural pardah ?
The argument is that wel ghunghat was followed in India even before the arrival of Islam. This is an argument used when someone come up with comments like Muslims (Mughals) brought this ghunghat to India, whereas women in areas (central Asia where Mughal belonged) didn't follow such kind of purdah.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
The argument is that wel ghunghat was followed in India even before the arrival of Islam. This is an argument used when someone come up with comments like Muslims (Mughals) brought this ghunghat to India, whereas women in areas (central Asia where Mughal belonged) didn't follow such kind of purdah.
Pardah was followed long before islam.
My question is, on what basis did kkf say naqab is an indian/pakistani version of hijab ?
niqaab is Indian/Pakistani version of Hijaab...in Islam, Hijaab is required, NOT burq'a or niqaab.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
Pardah was followed long before islam.
My question is, on what basis did kkf say naqab is an indian/pakistani version of hijab ?
This is perception / misconception that prevails in Indo-Pak and that is backed by some observation (as are given in article I posted above) which may be incorrect.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
This is perception / misconception that prevails in Indo-Pak and that is backed by some observation (as are given in article I posted above) which may be incorrect.
The article didn't mention how it travelled to the middle east. So, my question remains unanswered.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
I don’t want to quote NFP, but as is connected with the misconception being discussed here:
(caption by NFP: New-found affluence gained by Pakistanis with money made in oil-rich Arab countries began being expressed by adopting Arab attire and strands of the faith.)
Right it’s a very sensitive issue and we should not argue about it.There are debates on this topic and simply by saying that naqab is not requried in Islam is not justifiable.Either we should discuss it with reference or not discuss it at all.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
What are you trying to say ? I didn't get it.
I mean there is a misconception in Indo-Pak as to what kind of purda is followed in Arab world. Some thinks that burqa / naqaab is Arab influence and that Indian society didn't follow such purdah before Muslims.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
I thought Purdah was of Persian origin. They were supposedly famous for seclusion of women between the 4 walls. Not all cultural practices are a good thing. It may be time to change them. The origin of Ghoongat in hindu women of a part of India where it was followed is murky. Some say it came with Islamic invaders, some say it was interaction with pre-Islamic persions that the regions closer to Persia like Rajasthan etc adopted them. Even ghoonghat before the Islamic invasions of India were practiced by the royal and noble women and never the working class or peasants. That changed with the invasions. As for South India, it has never ever been a practice. An interesting article about purda/ghoonghat…GOSHAENUR: The Veil as Ghunghat & Purdah - a Hindu & Muslim dress
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
but again why Purdah is considered as second name of seclusion and detention, when we all have observed ladies following purda getting education, doing jobs.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
The article didn't mention how it travelled to the middle east. So, my question remains unanswered.
Apparently word naqaab seems to be a Persian word.. As we say: Be-Naqaab , Naqaab Posh.. all referring to Persian Origin.
As someone also mentioned that Persia got big role in purda, I think both Arab and India were influenced by Iran when it comes to naqaab. May be some old Arab paintings (if there are any) reveal the evolution of naqaab in Arab world.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
Right it's a very sensitive issue and we should not argue about it.There are debates on this topic and simply by saying that naqab is not requried in Islam is not justifiable.Either we should discuss it with reference or not discuss it at all.
True
I mean there is a misconception in Indo-Pak as to what kind of purda is followed in Arab world. Some thinks that burqa / naqaab is Arab influence and that Indian society didn't follow such purdah before Muslims.
But what is the reality ?
but again why Purdah is considered as second name of seclusion and detention, when we all have observed ladies following purda getting education, doing jobs.
Maybe it started because some women were forced to do it and weren't doing it by choice.
After that, media played a big role. Just maybe...not sure.
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
Apparently word naqaab seems to be a Persian word.. As we say: Be-Naqaab , Naqaab Posh.. all referring to Persian Origin.
As someone also mentioned that Persia got big role in purda, I think both Arab and India were influenced by Iran when it comes to naqaab. May be some old Arab paintings (if there are any) reveal the evolution of naqaab in Arab world.
Haan ho sakta hai...but I think iranis don't do naqab now...I hv seen them in masjid nabawi & masjid al haram .. they have v big chadars wrapped around them from head to toe, no face covering(naqab).
Re: Why Purdah is considered as a sign of backwardness?
Maybe it started because some women were forced to do it and weren't doing it by choice.
After that, media played a big role. Just maybe...not sure.
If purda was forced it was forced centuries ago and then it got acceptance in our societies and didn't remained forced on next generations. It became part of dressing which was considered modest as per cultural norms (leaving aside religious commandments for the time being). On other hand one can argue that thought to get women out of purda is also forced on people who had acceptability of purda in their society.
There are two sides of picture and media unfortunately portrays one side most of the times. There are duties and roles defined for each gender in a society. They can be changed and we have seen them changing over the period. Ladies doing purda are present in almost all the fields, which says that who consider purda as an impediment conveniently ignore such population while making these propositions.
