Khadija, because there are times that I have the urge and my wife is not around, or she doesn't want to. See, I believe that if the wife doesn't want to that's her god given right, I don't believe that just cuz she is my wife that I have the right to force myself on her, unlike many savages in pakistan who think that it's their right to have sex with their wife whether she wants to or not.
I would have thought that being a woman you'd respect something like that, but unfortunately, our culture has forced women to believe that they are there to pleasure their man. When a woman herself asks the above question, what respect does she have for herself and her body and what hope is there for men to start respecting women?
[This message has been edited by aahmed (edited February 16, 2002).]
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Originally posted by aahmed:
**Khadija, because there are times that I have the urge and my wife is not around, or she doesn't want to. See, I believe that if the wife doesn't want to that's her god given right, I don't believe that just cuz she is my wife that I have the right to force myself on her, unlike many savages in pakistan who think that it's their right to have sex with their wife whether she wants to or not.
I would have thought that being a woman you'd respect something like that, but unfortunately, our culture has forced women to believe that they are there to pleasure their man. When a woman herself asks the above question, what respect does she have for herself and her body and what hope is there for men to start respecting women?
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Adab everyone!
I havent read the whole thread but i'll reply anyway!...(hmmm ive said that before somewhere)
hehehehehehe
Living in Eastern i dont know but i do know that in western countries a women is only looked at as sex symbol and thats it....
She is being looked at just as a partner not a wife....she has no identity and whats worst women like it that way....Having sex before marraige is their ideal meaning...just thinking about makes me sad on how near the day of judgment is....The committment to one has totally disappered....!
From Hazrat Mohammad (P.B.U.H) a quote:
"If a wife doesnt come to bed when her husband is ordering to do so, she will get the 'Laanat' from Malaika's all night"..
From this quote i dont think it means forcement...Nooooo...forcement is not allowed at all....BUT if a wife is doing it on purpose then its wrong!
The core realtionship between a man and wife is their to know!...there is a lot more meaning to it then meets the eye....
Take care!
Does she get to beat him just like he is allowed to beat her?
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Sarah, can i get the source for this? Is it authentic and agreed upon by prominent scholars? I find this crap, and very untrue. Get the facts straight alrite?
Are you talking like this being a muslim?....
What do you mean 'What's wrong with having sex before marriage?'
What is this?...there is a hell lot more wrong then sex before marraige!....We are talking from from Islamic point here...not of chrisitan or anything else!.....There should be no physical contact before marraige at all...let alone sex getting interfeared!....If a wife doesnt want to have sex there mus be a reason...so the man isnt there to force her...BUT if she is to be doing this on purpose....this can then relate to many other reasons there might be...it brings up suspision!
And yes in western girls are being treated like sex symbols...there is nothing more to it....Girls are not shameful..they wear what they like even if they are totally bare flesh...they dont care....
And about the husband wife thing...im not a scholar to explain the detail facts...but there is a lot more respect then you can see......A man is not to beat his wife with no reason...unless she does not look after him and his kids and his belongings like she is suppose to....or she is doing a sin and he is stopping her and she wouldnt sop...etc..
And yes a girl is an 'amanat' to her future husbands...she has to go away from her parents hut to her husbands...thats the meaning of a girl coming to life!.....The purpose of women in this world is to give offspring and increase population.....We are looking at the meaning from Allah NOT the modern world....Like girls these days only care about coming better then boys..they are competing them in everything...why?....We should admit that boys are made superior then women..in many ways...BUT there are some things that women posses that a man cnnot!...
And yes there are lots of reponsibilites for men as well as women!...men is there to look after his wife and his family and making a 'halah' kamai'....his main aim is to bring up his children as good muslims and then marry them off.....that is his crucial job!
Take care...x
Hi guys, Im a very open person and every subject intrigues me, and I like to hear different opinions from different ppl abt various topis, eg the current topic we are on. Im female, and yes I admit without any shame that I do it, and that dosent mean that im shameless or that im not religious, and yes I also agree that the reason I do it is bcause I have se**al tension, and thus, no one can take this right away from me. MB (or self gratification is what i call it) has nothing to do with religion, or morals, if u like it u do it, if u dont then no ones forcing u . Plus I believe that when a neutral topic is thrown on the forums , ppl should not moralise it on base it according to their values. if you feel good about the question then reply, if you dont then there are loads of topic to choose from.
Anyways I have no intention of making the atmosphere sour.. I was just saying what I felt.
Hi Guys....
Sorry about that!.....im sorry about any misunderstanding or if i said anything wrong!
BUT still i didnt knew we had non muslims in this gupshup!...but now i do...basically i have dealt with people like Sarah before.....so if she believes in what she believes then i have no right to tell her that she is worng!......hahahahaha...sorry joking!...
Conclusion......hmmmmmm i dont know basically it depends on whatever everybody thinks.....but what i speak is NOT of my opinion...its what my religion Islam says....
And Sarah maybe you should watch out what your typing on 'Barbaric'.....i dont speak and think barabrically....and niether does my relgion!....Your views totally opposes mine...so i disagree with you....
WE can not help but bring Allah in between, as we take actions according to what ISLAM says FIRST...NOT what we think!
Take care
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Originally posted by Sarah Splendor:
*Lastly, you never answered my question. Are women allowed to beat, admonish, scold, etc their husbands as well? What happened to the equality Islam says it believes in?
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what happened to the right of men getting pregnant????
why r men not given this right????
cuz thats how Allah has put it....
and take it from me Sarah, He knows better how to put things right....
and He knows better what is good for His creations....
dont make a fool of yourself trying to bang your head on the wall over things that you just cant understand cuz of the limitation of your brain's power....
I didn't bother to read the whole thread, but have there been any QURANIC references yet about this subject, Aashi and others insist that Islam forbids it, yet I don't think I've seen any QURANIC quotes. Please correct me if I'm wrong, please post some QURANIC references. No Hadeeth please, ONLY Quranic references.
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Originally posted by aahmed:
**I didn't bother to read the whole thread, but have there been any QURANIC references yet about this subject, Aashi and others insist that Islam forbids it, yet I don't think I've seen any QURANIC quotes. Please correct me if I'm wrong, please post some QURANIC references. No Hadeeth please, ONLY Quranic references.
THanks**
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i dont think it is wrong Islamically....
but it is wrong morally, and not good for health either....
anyway there is no verse in Quran....
and IF a thing is forbidden in Islam, it CAN BE forbidden without a verse frmo Quran, just by Hadith....
there r many examples of this....
and btw, tere is no hadith on this subject either....
"Our Lord! forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty; establish our feet firmly and help us against those that resist faith." **Quran(3:147)