"Why Masturb...ion is a taboo "

Islamically you should marry by 16 ,so that you wouldnt have excuse of imagining se#x rather than having it in REAL.

I know it may not be possible for various reason to do so for any or all.

No abnormal aberrant or deviant behaviuor can be sanctioned by true religion.You can justify ,rationalize or argue but it never will be just as cheating ,stealing ,or lying .But you will say we all do those things ...Yes...so you say aboutr mas..tion but dont try to justify it.

One effect of false sex as you may call is it takes from the real one & untill your needs are not met by one wives ,thatd why men can have 4 wives.

again you wil say but its not possible in my sitution.that will be rastionalzing ,arguing & justifying it ...& my opinionabout that i have already said.


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well..if the guy is going to have 4 wives, it is better that the wives start practising masturbation as early as possible and learn how to stay happy by themselves.

I may be off topic here, but i am contradicting Fatimah

She wrote:
"One effect of false sex as you may call is it takes from the real one & untill your needs are not met by one wives ,thatd why men can have 4 wives."

Fatimah u seem to be misinformed. Taking four wives in Islam is not to fulfil a man's needs, his desires or lust. Quran was sent at a time when there were many battles going on, many women were left behind as widows, and many had no one to look after them. A man was then allowed to have UPTO four wives, only to protect those women from the evil society, that it was at that time, and also to financially support them and protect them. Also he was only allowed to have more than one wife, only if he could treat them all EQUALLY in every way.

It has nothing to do with a man's need, lust or desire.

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Its pretty much the same rhetoric not doing, this and that bla bla… moral and religious lessons etc etc,

How would you convince a 14 or 15 year old boy who discovers it and have no other reason for abstinence from it other than moral!

I think all R ostrichizing to the problem! I am not in favor of it neither against but do admit it being a challenging delimma with very few logical solutions to it!

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I may be wrong, but seeing as how Jinnah got married at 16 is it safe to say that until around the 20th century, desi Muslims used to get married much earlier than they do nowadays?

If so, that would have led to masturbation not being so much a social issue back then as it is nowadays....

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*It has nothing to do with a man's need, lust or desire.
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Again, that is not true. Many scholars have argued that the provisions for polygamy (multiple wives) is to avoid divorces. Men have natural instincts, and one of them is to fall for beautiful women. So if a married man takes fancy to a beautiful woman, Islam allows him to take a second wife, without divorcing his first one.

Ofcourse there are restrictions and strict additional responsibilities for the man to fulfil in case he decides to have 2, 3 or 4 wives. So to say, that this is strictly to support widows and orphans, is perhaps taking a very idealistic, and probably erroneous view of the matter.

Again, that is not true. Many scholars have argued that the provisions for polygamy (multiple wives) is to avoid divorces. Men have natural instincts, and one of them is to fall for beautiful women. So if a married man takes fancy to a beautiful woman, Islam allows him to take a second wife, without divorcing his first one.<

wah wah..so much power to women.

Not to ruin the highly intellectual discussion here but I would like to know what are they thinking while doing "it"?

Secondly, how do they justify that "thought process" morally (Not Islamically, Christianly, Sikhly ... etc)

It's a taboo in all religions! Those who are pointing fingers at Islam, its actually the Maulvi who you should go grab by the beard if you feel so emotionally about "IT"

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**Not to ruin the highly intellectual discussion here but I would like to know what are they thinking while doing “it”?

R U a boy, man or oldman or else

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as everyone thinks differently

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Secondly, how do they justify that “thought process” morally (Not Islamically, Christianly, Sikhly … etc)

Justify it immorally

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It’s a taboo in all religions! Those who are pointing fingers at Islam, its actually the Maulvi who you should go grab by the beard if you feel so emotionally about “IT”**

I think I did think or even tried to point out!

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Again, that is not true. Many scholars have argued that the provisions for polygamy (multiple wives) is to avoid divorces. Men have natural instincts, and one of them is to fall for beautiful women. So if a married man takes fancy to a beautiful woman, Islam allows him to take a second wife, without divorcing his first one.

I totally disagree

mm10,

You can share your version of the "thought process" and that should suffice!

Feel free

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kaka-MJ, ab aik dhoti hi to reh gaye hai hayya ka zaiver chupanay ko…ager aur FREE ho gaye to samjho duniya is JAHAN se bhi FREE ker de gi…

God bless u all…


no-so-very-free***
DerVaisH


muhabatein theen kabhi apne dermian kitni…
bicha gaye hai anna hum mein doorian kitni…
abhi to toota hai dil hi teri judai mein…
girein gi hum pe abhi aur bijlian kitni…

So many visits to this thread R suffice to say about the confusion and ambiguity of ppl’s mind whether they admit or not!

You did not answer what I asked

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Anyhow, premarital sex and sex education in westren society was a taboo 50 years ago but it is not now!
rather they teach and guide thier students from school about safe sex!

Thats all I can say now as I got to go market for shopping

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Originally posted by Trouble maker:
**>Again, that is not true. Many scholars have argued that the provisions for polygamy (multiple wives) is to avoid divorces. Men have natural instincts, and one of them is to fall for beautiful women. So if a married man takes fancy to a beautiful woman, Islam allows him to take a second wife, without divorcing his first one.

I totally disagree**
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Are you even a muslim? who are you to give reasons on your own.Where is your reference evidence ,& proof ...shoo chale ate hain aethist infiltrate karne islm ko


Chin-o-arab hamaara
hindostaan hamaara
muslim hai hum, vatan hai saara jahaan hamaara

HERE ITS A VERY GOOD ARTICLE READ IT CAREFULLY ESPECIALLY THE BOLD BITS:

Masturbation

In Islamic terminology, masturbation (istimna) means self-stimulation of the sexual organ till one achieves emission of semen or orgasm. Masturbation in form of self-stimulation is forbidden in Shi'ah fiqh. While describing the believers, the Qur'an says, "The believers are... those who protect their sexual organs except from their spouses... Therefore, whosoever seeks more beyond that [in sexual gratification], then they are the transgressors." (23:5-6) The last sentence makes it very clear that any sexual gratification outside marriage is considered a transgression of the law of God. And this verse also implies that sex is an act in which two people are involved. Once when Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq was asked about masturbation, he recited this very verse and mentioned masturbation as one of its examples. (Wasa'il, vol. 18, p. 575) In another, the Imam was asked about masturbation; he said, "It is an indecent act..." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 267; vol. 18, pp. 574-5)

Masturbation is a sin for which a person can also be punished by the Islamic court. Of course, the nature of the punishment is upon the judge's discretion. Once a person was caught masturbating and was brought to Imam 'Ali. The Imam punished him by beating on his hands until it turned red; then he made arrangement for his marriage on government's expenses. (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 267; vol. 18, pp. 574-5)

These days some scientists are telling us that there is no harm in masturbation, rather it is a natural act. To prove that it is natural, they give examples of some wild animals, like monkeys. Actually they represent those who have gone to the other extreme of sexual morality. They have degraded human beings to the level of wild animals, and then justify their deeds by finding examples in the animal world. They are, in Qur'anic expression, "like cattle, nay they are more astray; they are the heedless ones." (7: 179) The irony is that when Muslims talk about following Islam which came just 1400 years ago, they are labeled by the secularists as 'reactionaries,' 'those who want to turn the clock backwards,' 'anti -progress,' and now these very people are going millions of years back (according to their own counting) and following the wild animals or the primitive societies to determine what is natural for us and what is not natural!

Many different types of sexual behavior could be found in primitive societies, but that does not automatically make it natural or right. On the contrary, in some cases, masturbation was considered an abnormal and abhorrent act! For example, Lewis Cutlow writes about the Amazon Indians that:

...Xinguanos are deeply disturbed by civilizados who are sexually frustrated; they cannot understand how a man can become aroused at the sight of a nude woman. In his 25 years of daily life with Indians, Orlando told me, he had never seen an Indian with an erection. It would be absurd to them. Nor has Orlando seen or heard any instances of sexual deviation among the Indians. They did not know what masturbation was until they saw a civilizado telegraph operator doing it. From then on the telegraph operator was a problem to Orlando and his colleagues at the Park. The Indians despised him because, in their eyes, he had done something reprehensible. There was nothing to do but remove him from the Park. (The Twilight of the Primitive, p. 16-7 as quoted in Sex and Destiny, p. 88)

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Sometimes the scientists justify masturbation by saying that many people do it! But if a majority does something, it does not automatically prove that it is right. Otherwise, drugs should also be declared 'normal' because the majority of Americans, at one time or another, took drugs. The surveys made by sexologists like Kinsey, Masters and Johnson, and the Hite Report just reveal what the American people do in the privacy of their bedroom; it does not necessarily prove that what they do is natural and right!

Many modern psychologists say that masturbation is just like normal sexual intercourse, rather even better because you are master of yourself, you don't have to worry about your partner's feelings! This is an example of how low the materialist society has sunk into its self-centered and selfish attitude that even in sex it prefers to seek self-gratification with the exclusion of the spouse. "They seem to forget that in sexual intercourse all the senses contribute to the stimulation and orgasm: Man and woman see their partner, touch each other, say endearing words to each other and hear the stimulating sounds; and even the senses of smell and taste are utilized. And the penetration of male organ into the female leads to the final excitement and orgasm. But in masturbation the only source of stimulation is imagination, in which no other sense takes any part. The whole burden is loaded upon the mind; and, as a result, while normal sexual intercourse causes happiness and joy, masturbation creates emotional and psychological depression." (Rizvi, S.S.A., Your Questions Answered, vol. 3, p. 40-1)
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This is not just an opinion of a Muslim scholar. Even the Hite Report on Male Sexuality, says: "Similarly, many men said that they enjoyed masturbating physically, but that emotionally it was depressing." (The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, p. 489) In one of the replies, a man writes: "It is physically enjoyable, but it can leave one emotionally empty or lonely for the real thing. You can do it when you feel like it, come when you want, bring up your own images, but there is no warmth or closeness, no one to share pleasure with, no companionship. . . "(The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, p. 489) After saying that the physical effects of masturbation are negligible, Leslie D. Weatherhead in The Mastery of Sex writes: "Psychologically the results are more serious. Masturbation in the adult is nearly always due to a maladjustment..." (The Mastery of Sex, p. 103)

THE CURE FOR MASTURBATION: It is easy to stay away from fornication because it involves another person. But the danger of getting into the habit of masturbation is always there, therefore it is necessary to know how to combat this perverted sexual behavior. The following is a guide-line for releasing a person from the habit of masturbation. This has been taken from Weatherhead's The Mastery of Sex and 'Allamah Rizvi's Your Questions Answered.

  1. Strengthening will-power. This is possible only if one honestly and sincerely wants to get rid of this habit. Pray to Allah to help you overcome this habit, concentrate on religious teachings, and build up the spirit of taqwa, piety.

  2. More and more stay in the company of other persons: If in the daytime you feel like masturbating, get up from your bed or chair and get into the presence of other people and talk to them. If it happens at bedtime, sit up in bed, read a book or write a letter. Do something to switch your mind on to other things.

  3. Adopt some hobby or sports which will provide you with an outlet for the energies of your body.

“Gammadilation” that was an excellent state of the art article! Thanks so much!

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I invite everyone to read this article thoroughly and enhance thier knowledge!

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At least some nice pearls of wisdom for deviated minds

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… just helping poor souls find peace… just doing my job as a muslim … god it feels great to be so proud of myself

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GS: Amazing article yar.

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Zabardast. thanks for enlightening me

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Life main tEnSiOn!!!

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thanks khanzaada for reading it

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