Re: Why Marry?
Religion encourages you to marry not only for kids but also to save ourselves from sin but still somebody wanna live in bf/gf relation then enjoy the sinful life, who cares.
muslims have this holier than thou complex
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muslims have this holier than thou complex
there is no point of arguing with you because your views completely collide with religious teachings.
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there is no point of arguing with you because your views completely collide with religious teachings.
Children argue. Adults debate.
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Children argue. Adults debate.
they debate on the issues which are debatable. Not on something like this
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^ Whether or not people should get married isn't debatable? If not, then what is the point of this thread?
Not everyone in the world is Muslim and we cannot expect people who are not followers of a particular religion to live according to the teachings of that religion. Icicle1 is just taking that into account and pointing out that people in the west, who are predominantly non-muslim and not bound by Islamic teachings, find it more convenient to cohabit without marriage. Since the thread didn't specifically ask why Muslims get married, observations about people of different backgrounds, such as Icicle1's observation about people living in the west, are valid.
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Religion encourages you to marry not only for kids but also to save ourselves from sin but still somebody wanna live in bf/gf relation then enjoy the sinful life, who cares.
So if two married people live a life of lies and deceit and fraud that would be much better than a girl and boyfriend who live their life in peace harming noone?
Right :/
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muslims have this holier than thou complex
That's the whole point of religion. Is it not? If the theists didn't believe they were better than other people and were going to heaven, why would they even follow religion?
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So if two married people live a life of lies and deceit and fraud that would be much better than a girl and boyfriend who live their life in peace harming noone?
Right :/
Depends on your religious inclination. If you happen to be a Muslim, the former would definitely be better.
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Depends on your religious inclination. If you happen to be a Muslim, the former would definitely be better.
See I never understand that and I don't agree.
Zardari who is a crook, a thief and far far worse..now imagine if he prays five times a day. Compared to someone, who doesn't really pray but has never hit, cheated anyone or committed any kind of fraud and who lives out a reasonable life, now is he a better Muslim than than the latter? How are two people who cheat lie and fraud their way through life better Muslims just because they're married than two reasonable easy going good and nice people who just happen not to be married?
This sends out the message that a person can cheat, commit sins all over but hey as long as he or she prays its fine! Obviously I am not saying you subscribe to such thinking so please don't be offended! I am making an analogy.
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Yes I did just type that. Try stepping into a Muslims shoes.
You're a Muslim man or a woman and you meet a couple who are not married. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Zina. That one thing is enough for you dislike them.
Whereas the married couple living a life of lies and deceit seems normal, so obviously you're gonna think they're nice people.
I didn't say I thought the former was better. The post really wasn't about my opinion.
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Yes I did just type that. Try stepping into a Muslims shoes.
You're a Muslim man or a woman and you meet a couple who are not married. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Zina. That one thing is enough for you dislike them.
Whereas the married couple living a life of lies and deceit seems normal, so obviously you're gonna think they're nice people.
I didn't say I thought the former was better. The post really wasn't about my opinion.
Ah, I understand what you meant. That's why people should judge others for who they are, not for what they believe in. Everyone has different rules for how they live their life.
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See I never understand that and I don't agree.
Zardari who is a crook, a thief and far far worse..now imagine if he prays five times a day. Compared to someone, who doesn't really pray but has never hit, cheated anyone or committed any kind of fraud and who lives out a reasonable life, now is he a better Muslim than than the latter? How are two people who cheat lie and fraud their way through life better Muslims just because they're married than two reasonable easy going good and nice people who just happen not to be married?
This sends out the message that a person can cheat, commit sins all over but hey as long as he or she prays its fine! Obviously I am not saying you subscribe to such thinking so please don't be offended! I am making an analogy.
You're smart Shak. Using Zardari, someone who's hated universally, in your analogy.
To counter that, there's no knowing who Zardari's shagging. I don't really think he's been celibate all this time, he probably slept around even when his wife was around.
Haha, you don't know what I subscribe to or what subscriptions I've cancelled.
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Fine, then use any other person who does the same things. Point still stands.
As for your last sentence; my remark was meant to be in a friendly tone, I don’t really care whatever people think about xyz. I didn’t want my remarks to offend. Not how you’ve taken it but ah well eh 
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Ah, I understand what you meant. That's why people should judge others for who they are, not for what they believe in. Everyone has different rules for how they live their life.
I think that's really tough if not impossible for somebody who truly believes in his religion. How can a believer and non-believer be equally good? What'd be the point of religion if people started believing that?
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See I never understand that and I don't agree.
Zardari who is a crook, a thief and far far worse..now imagine if he prays five times a day. Compared to someone, who doesn't really pray but has never hit, cheated anyone or committed any kind of fraud and who lives out a reasonable life, now is he a better Muslim than than the latter? How are two people who cheat lie and fraud their way through life better Muslims just because they're married than two reasonable easy going good and nice people who just happen not to be married?
This sends out the message that a person can cheat, commit sins all over but hey as long as he or she prays its fine! Obviously I am not saying you subscribe to such thinking so please don't be offended! I am making an analogy.
bro, you are mixing two different aspects of Islam. you are unfortunately comparing apple with oranges.
there are Huqooqullah [rights of Allah] and Huqooq-ul-'Ibaad [rights of humans]...a Muslim is required to fulfill BOTH...he can NOT compromise. a Muslims who doesn't pray can never be equal to someone who prays [if his prayers are accepted by Allah]. it's the basic requirement to pray to Allah. those who harm a human in anyway are held accountable on the Day of Judgement and Allah will NOT forgive them unless his victims are compensated. since the ONLY currency you will have on that Day will be your good deeds which will be transferred to the victim and if anyone doesn't have good deeds left, the victims' bad deeds will be transfered to his perpetrator.
Allah may forgive His rights if he pleases and wishes so but He will NOT forgive the violators and/or perpetrators of human rights. we can not bank on Allah's mercy...we have to to fulfill both the responsibilities that we have been ordered to carry out.
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I think that's really tough if not impossible for somebody who truly believes in his religion.** How can a believer and non-believer be equally good?** What'd be the point of religion if people started believing that?
The reason why the world never gets on. I can never understand how someone can be ''good'' if he breaks every law of decency but happens to be a 'brother' while someone who helps others and genuinely good but isn't a Muslim is worse off? :/
If everyone lived by the simple rule of treating good people good and bad people bad we wouldn't have the shambles of the planet we seem to have.
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bro, you are mixing two different aspects of Islam. you are unfortunately comparing apple with oranges.
there are Huqooqullah [rights of Allah] and Huqooq-ul-'Ibaad [rights of humans]...a Muslim is required to fulfill BOTH...he can NOT compromise. a Muslims who doesn't pray can never be equal to someone who prays [if his prayers are accepted by Allah]. it's the basic requirement to pray to Allah. those who harm a human in anyway are held accountable on the Day of Judgement and Allah will NOT forgive them unless his victims are compensated. since the ONLY currency you will have on that Day will be your good deeds which will be transferred to the victim and if anyone doesn't have good deeds left, the victims' bad deeds will be transfered to his perpetrator.
Allah may forgive His rights if he pleases and wishes so but He will NOT forgive the violators and/or perpetrators of human rights. we can not bank on Allah's mercy...we have to to fulfill both the responsibilities that we have been ordered to carry out.
How would you treat an extremely bad Muslim to a very good non-Muslim in comparison?
Curious
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How would you treat an extremely bad Muslim to a very good non-Muslim in comparison?
Curious
in the sight of Allah, a disbeliever is a disbeliever...it's like a very nice operson living in any country, he does all the good stuff and is a role model in every conceivable facet of life ...
...BUT
...he does NOT believe in or accept the country's constitution
what will his position be in the sight of the constitution?
you be the judge, bro!
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in the sight of Allah, a disbeliever is a disbeliever...it's like a very nice operson living in any country, he does all the good stuff and is a role model in every conceivable facet of life ...
...BUT
...he does NOT believe in or accept the country's constitution
what will his position be in the sight of the constitution?
you be the judge, bro!
You didn't answer my question :D
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The reason why the world never gets on. I can never understand how someone can be ''good'' if he breaks every law of decency but happens to be a 'brother' while someone who helps others and genuinely good but isn't a Muslim is worse off? :/
If everyone lived by the simple rule of treating good people good and bad people bad we wouldn't have the shambles of the planet we seem to have.
I'm counting on this not being true, or else I'm getting toasted or roasted or broiled. I'm definitely not looking forward to that.