Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
What is your religion if you don’t know it?
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
By knowing my religion, I am referring to knowing detailed explanations of what we are told to do instead of just following orders like bunnies as some people on Gupshup do and have been doing for a long time evidently. Maybe that is why they are not the brightest of students and then btch at people like us who would like to see some logic behind any action we are told to take!*
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
It does happen, but there are also many brothers who know the deen very well who excel in this life. Many of the doctors, lawyers and engineers I know are very religious people
But yes of course, some of those who struggle in this life turn to religion. But is that in any way exclusive to islam, no I dont think so.
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
The noblest branches of knowledge are those that bring you close to the Creator and help you to be pleasing to Him. - Ibn Hazm al Andalusi
Kaafir ki pehchaan ke afaaq mein gum hai
Mo'min ki hai pehchaan ke gum uss mein haiN afaaq
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
Tell you what, quit your work and start spreading Islam. Tell every kid going to school in your family to stop doing so and follow you. Once you do that, come back and tell me how noble a certain branch of knowledge is.
Nobody is denying the importance of the knowledge of religion here. However, the sort of thinking most of the sheep here have is way too impractical to follow. God does not tell you to sit on your ass and pray all day. If you have no desire to move up in life and give your family a comfortable life, you are just as liable to go to hell as some other sinner is. God wouldn’t create “naimatain” if He didn’t want you to have them, would He? This does not mean you completely ignore your religion. You sheep act as if people who work hard and make their careers are doing it to join an orgy or something! Take the patti off your eyes and see the light.
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
^ Who said anything about careers?
It is a universal fact that aquiring beneficial knowledge is important, for any nation to survive. You wont find any scholar saying that dont go for it. So quit creating the fuss, and no you'r not the only one studying and striving for a better career, we all are.
My reply was only in response to those who are trying to show that the people who are willing to forsake some of the benefits of this life and dedicating themselves to the Deen are a bunch of losers.
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
None of you understand what "The game" is saying. He has a point.. At this moment in time he does not have the time to research into Islam properly and therefore his priority at "this moment in time" have to be his studies afterall Islam also places great importance to seeking knowledge...I wish some of you could understand things a bit better
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
Some have other priorities in life such as their faith…They never stop anyone from doing their best or achieving whatever they desire…So, to label someone going towards religion as a loser is the biggest judgemental fallacy of all…
Most of the ‘mods’ replying to this thread simply wish to emulate the ‘successful’ lifestyle of the westerners…But in my opinion, they are doing completely the opposite…
One admirable trait of the westerners of course is their unjudgemental attitude towards the life of someone’s choosing…If someone from their society decides to go in the peace corps, join the Greenpeace, join the Army or become a philosopher or become a monk or a Buddhist or starts surfing or mountainclimbing, none of them raises an issue such as you have raised…
Most of the mods in this thread such as The Game, don’t even do that…They just follow a trend which is become an IT guy or an engineer like the rest of the herd, and there you go…You are successful…Not one is a trendsetter in any field to even garner the title ‘successful’…
They become losers on earth and as well as the hereafter…
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
^ Lead by example, don't just put other people down. How are you different from the rest, what is so unique about your path? What's wrong with becoming an IT guy or engineer, they can't be Muslims or are they banned from entering Heaven?
Putting down the "Western" lifestyle, as if you yourself are residing in Tibet......
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
One important point everyone take note:
The title of this thread reads "failures turn to religion"
It would be fair to say im wrong if these guys were religious in the first place and did bad at uni/college
What I am saying is these people drop out of college/uni, and THEN turn to religion where they would have been the furthest away from religion in the first place... Understand what Im getting to?
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
skhan: I have not put anyone down…Quite the contrary, I am one who is against putting anyone down…
Rizwan: It remains to be seen who becomes the failure and who does not…As men we see what is in front of us but never beyond…
If someone’s failure in this world turns someone towards his Creator, as a Muslim, I do not call that failure at all…I call it the blessing of Allah :swt:…
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
Why couldnt they have studied harder and done good at studies and religion I ask you? Surely Islam says strive for knowledge…I call someone who is close to religion and has done good at studies success, thats what success is..
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
^ there are NUMEROUS counts of people who are successful, and had turned to islam in their early years.
That doesn't show any correlation between "failures" turning to islam, and "successfull" not turning to islam. So you see it exist even if they DONT drop out of academic instituitions.
:)
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
Yes it does but what age group are you referring too and thats not a majority, thats a minority..
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
You have college dropouts become entrepreneurs and joining major league teams or playing soccer or cricket, no one calls them a failure. Why is it when someone choses Islam as his field of Study/work/career that a person is instantly branded a failure?
The answer is simple. Success is measured by the amount of cash you can generate by whatever proffession you choose.
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
Game I can see your point in your argument but I just have one question. What if you never make it to later? What if you died tomorrow without ever having the chance to do what you wanted to do for your faith? I’ve heard similar arguments before, “I’ll do hajj when i’m old/wear hijab when I marry/repent from zinna when I marry” but what if you nver make it to that point?
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
^
as for hajj point, it reminds me of the muhaavraa *900 choohaY khaa kar Billi hajj ko challi *:D
I believe the whole life of a muslim is a dawah of Islam in it of itself in every second of life. A person can be a IT guru or a well known doctor, he/she can follow Islam and make people know about it through his/her behaviour at work place and get togethers.
Saamaan Sau baras kaa
Pa'll kee khabar naheeN
:)
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
*I never said I should completely ignore my religion right now. I realize life is unpredictable. My point is that I can’t fully commit to learning about Islam right now because I have a career to build. I do not wish to live on welfare as people like Lajawab do. If I don’t have this mental stability of having a career at hand, it would only hurt my chances of studying Islam. Sheep like Lajawab need to be practical; it’s not my fault if he didn’t study well enough and has to live in a masjid now.
Sharaabi, I do apologize for misunderstanding your point. Maybe we should all quit our work/studies and start living in masjids since we are all such big ‘losers’ according to some sheep here!*
P.S.: Since when did I become a moderator, Lajawab chaacha!?
Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?
One of the very first seven questions that will be asked on the day of judgment is about what we did with our youth? Was it in the way of AllAh or was it for this duniya which is temporary any way... for 60,70,80 or what 100 120 years?
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Anwaar bhai, wrap up your multi-million dollar business right now, distribute all the money to the poor (Everyone knows you have quite a lot of dough!), come back and tell me that again. You all have pattis on your eyes and ears or something? Why don’t you get the point? Is it because you weren’t too bright at school? Really.