why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

[AQ]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@the game

Anwaar bhai, wrap up your multi-million dollar business right now, distribute all the money to the poor (Everyone knows you have quite a lot of dough!), come back and tell me that again. You all have pattis on your eyes and ears or something? Why don’t you get the point? Is it because you weren’t too bright at school? Really.

Rasoolulah:saw: specifically told not to give out from what can hurt the financial needs of people and their families. We give out that which is extra to our (current or planned-future) needs.

In my previous reply, I also quoted from what the prophet:saw: conveyed to us; only if we disagree with Rasoolulah:saw:

[Sara516]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

By mod, he means "modern/mod-Muslim" not moderator.

And no you shouldn't ignore your religion, but it's not a good idea to put off learning anything until later. Like I said, later might never come. I do think that it's a good idea to build a career first, to later on indulge in ur passions (be it Islam, art, whatever you consider your passion) without worrying about how to pay the bills or buying groceries. But whats wrong with learning bit by bit as you go along?

[the_game]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@Sara516

But whats wrong with learning bit by bit as you go along?

Did I ever state that the above is wrong and shouldn’t be done? Seriously, some of you need to take reading comprehension classes! Sara516, you are studying English at school for God’s sake! I merely stated that I cannot hold my focus on religion (which I do intend on doing very much so) with as much commitment right now because I have to take care of my parents and I cannot afford to live in a masjid and tell them to live on welfare checks when they are old. You might think such people are ‘losers’; I certainly do not.

[rizwanfareed]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@Sharaabi

You have college dropouts become entrepreneurs and joining major league teams or playing soccer or cricket, no one calls them a failure. Why is it when someone choses Islam as his field of Study/work/career that a person is instantly branded a failure?

The answer is simple. Success is measured by the amount of cash you can generate by whatever proffession you choose.

Sharaabi good point and I take your good point on board, credit should be given to a good answer when it is said…

[PyariCgudia]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

Trying to reach the point of excellence in any endeavor, like studies or career, is a form of ibaadat.

You're doing it for God. And for your community. Now that's a real muslim. Not a 2-takay ka idiot who comes home with F's and then barks to his sister about hijab.

[the_game]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@PyariCgudia

Trying to reach the point of excellence in any endeavor, like studies or career, is a form of ibaadat.

You’re doing it for God. And for your community. Now that’s a real muslim. Not a 2-takay ka idiot who comes home with F’s and then barks to his sister about hijab.

PCG is my new hero, or heroine if you like.

[KashmiriRainDrops]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@PyariCgudia

Trying to reach the point of excellence in any endeavor, like studies or career, is a form of ibaadat.

You’re doing it for God. And for your community. Now that’s a real muslim. Not a 2-takay ka idiot who comes home with F’s and then barks to his sister about hijab.

How about trying to reach excellence increasing ur faith, wot’s so wrong about becoming more religious…maybe it takes a person to fail at something, be it studies, to make them realise how much they need God…that’s fine n dandy that if in ur mind ur doing it for God and that makes u a “real” muslim, however i think God hopes u put him first…that’s the whole test of this life isn’t it…helping ur community is great, but that doesn’t mean ppl who aren’t succesful for wotever reasons (unknown to us), that he/she is not a good/real muslim…ur degree isn’t gonna help u on the Day of Judgement, and that scares the crap out of me…and i don’t think it’s fair to call someone an idiot just cos they’re not succesful in studies and cos they tell their sister to wear a hijab…so wot? We all can’t be good at everything…if ur good at disiplining ur self in studies, good for u…but it’s also very good if u can disipline urself in following ur religion.

[KAKA-ATOM-BUM]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

You are all missing the point of the discussion. No one said anywhere, that religion isnt important. Its very important and we should all do our best to learn and practice it to the best of our abilities, but Allah never told u to forget about ur studies, ur future, ur career, and ur parents hopes, and go buy a lota and go to the woods n pray 24/7.

Work hard, study hard, pray hard. Get a good career in this life. Religion isnt stopping you from doing that, and ur career or studies arent stopping you from getting better with ur religion either.

The point rizwan was making was, that you,ll see these kids messing around... and then flunking their exams bad,,,, and a year later u see them with a green turban and mark on their foreheads and pants or shalwars raised above the ankles... and they are still flunking the exams or paying others to do their assignments so they can pass. I call that pathetic!

I personally know people who werent religious at all, infact the opposite,, they then start flunking their exams and later on they are supposedly all religious, but u see them flunking their exams and trust me,,, u know people who know them and lets just say... its more a false sense of feeling better about themselves rather than actually trying to be good at religion and studies at the same time. These same kids have parents overseas thinking their kids are doing great in their studies and have such high hopes for them... and make no mistake, i admire people who care about their religion, but to make religion an excuse for ur failures at uni and career is just wrong... and it happens a lot! I am no one to judge anyones neeyat... but you can see the obvious in most of the cases rizwan is talking about.

[Sharaabi]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@the game

I cannot hold my focus on religion (which I do intend on doing very much so) with as much commitment right now because I have to take care of my parents and I cannot afford to live in a masjid and tell them to live on welfare checks when they are old. You might think such people are ‘losers’; I certainly do not.

The sad part is that 99% of the Muslim Ummah, today, gives you the exact same statement when you ask them why aren’t they following their religion as they are supposed to.

You’ll always have someone to take care of, first its the degree and then comes the profession, followed by a wife and kids, the parents are always there and there are only 24 hours in day. The next thing they see is that they are hitting their 40s and all they are worried about then is their retirement. And then one day, the clock just stops running. Time’s up…

[AQ]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@Sharaabi

The sad part is that 99% of the Muslim Ummah, today, gives you the exact same statement when you ask them why aren’t they following their religion as they are supposed to.

You’ll always have someone to take care of, first its the degree and then comes the profession, followed by a wife and kids, the parents are always there and there are only 24 hours in day. The next thing they see is that they are hitting their 40s and all they are worried about then is their retirement. And then one day, the clock just stops running. Time’s up…

you know sharaabi bro, for that very reason ALLAH:swt: declares your family and your savings as a FITNAH in Quran; that is if they take you away from your deen.

Thanks for reminding.

[the_game]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@Sharaabi

The sad part is that 99% of the Muslim Ummah, today, gives you the exact same statement when you ask them why aren’t they following their religion as they are supposed to.

You’ll always have someone to take care of, first its the degree and then comes the profession, followed by a wife and kids, the parents are always there and there are only 24 hours in day. The next thing they see is that they are hitting their 40s and all they are worried about then is their retirement. And then one day, the clock just stops running. Time’s up…

I thought you got my point. I never said I should ignore my religion right now. I merely stated that I cannot pay attention to it with any sukoon at this point because I have a responsibility of taking care of my parents. I cannot sit on my ass in masjids and tell them to collect welfare paychecks in their burhapa. Be a little practical and try to comprehend the point I’m trying to get across here. Later on when I’m a little more stable mentally, I very much intend on doing it because I will need to give my kids a reason for what they would be told to do and follow.

[AQ]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@the game

I cannot sit on my ass in masjids and tell them to collect welfare paychecks in their burhapa.

Islam is not a religion of Mosque and prayers.

taking care of your parents is an ibaadah in itself; and a great one that Rasoolulah:saw: forbade a sahabi to go on a war due to his old mother.

Islam is more than that. We all know that. Don’t we?

[KashmiriRainDrops]

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@KAKA-ATOM-BUM

You are all missing the point of the discussion. No one said anywhere, that religion isnt important. Its very important and we should all do our best to learn and practice it to the best of our abilities, but Allah never told u to forget about ur studies, ur future, ur career, and ur parents hopes, and go buy a lota and go to the woods n pray 24/7.

Work hard, study hard, pray hard. Get a good career in this life. Religion isnt stopping you from doing that, and ur career or studies arent stopping you from getting better with ur religion either.

The point rizwan was making was, that you,ll see these kids messing around… and then flunking their exams bad, and a year later u see them with a green turban and mark on their foreheads and pants or shalwars raised above the ankles… and they are still flunking the exams or paying others to do their assignments so they can pass. I call that pathetic!

I personally know people who werent religious at all, infact the opposite, they then start flunking their exams and later on they are supposedly all religious, but u see them flunking their exams and trust me, u know people who know them and lets just say… its more a false sense of feeling better about themselves rather than actually trying to be good at religion and studies at the same time. These same kids have parents overseas thinking their kids are doing great in their studies and have such high hopes for them… and make no mistake, i admire people who care about their religion, but to make religion an excuse for ur failures at uni and career is just wrong… and it happens a lot! I am no one to judge anyones neeyat… but you can see the obvious in most of the cases rizwan is talking about.

I’m not saying that some ppl r saying that religion isn’t important…but some think that other things in life come before religion…look, i’m not claiming to be a good muslim or anything, i’m not even that religious to be honest but i’m trying u know…and i agree, that religion doesn’t have to get in the way of studying hard and that if u can, do both…that’s not the issue…it just bothers me when ppl say stupid stuff like in this thread…y is it perceived that if ppl who failed in studies, and as a result turn to their religion, to be a negative thing…i understand wot rizwan is asking, i just don’t like the way ppl r degrading those ppl who become MORE religious after failing at something…maybe the failure was a big wakeup call, or maybe they felt they cudn’t turn anywhere else…there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being educated…i’m all for that…but in my opinion, it’s not fair to belittle and judge those who cudn’t make it, and instead turn to God…if u can be great at following ur religion, be good at school, have success in ur career and so on, then more power to u…but not everyone can, so let’s not look down on ppl who turn to God when they’re at the lowest.

[KashmiriRainDrops]

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@the game

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I merely stated that I cannot pay attention to it with any sukoon at this point because I have a responsibility of taking care of my parents. I cannot sit on my ass in masjids and tell them to collect welfare paychecks in their burhapa.**

Later on when I’m a little more stable mentally, I very much intend on doing it because I will need to give my kids a reason for what they would be told to do and follow.*

I agree with this too, sometimes i feel overwhelmed and then guilty cos i know i cud be more religious but i simply don’t have enough time or the mental stability…after i get married and have kids that’s when i know i will have to “practice wot i preach” in order to set a good example for my kids…i know wot ur saying about taking care of parents…and that is a big thing in Islam so Inshallah we will be rewarded justly for that…when u have sick parents or parents who do not work, and the sole, or even partial financial responsiblity is on u then it is much harder to be both religious and a perfect caretaker/provider…hopefully God will give us enough time, to show Him that we are capable…it’s just really hard…but as far as this, how come failures in uni turn to religion crap in this thread…it just doesn’t make sense to me, just narrow-minded and judgemental thinking on their part.

[the_game]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@Anwaar Qureshi

Islam is not a religion of Mosque and prayers.

taking care of your parents is an ibaadah in itself; and a great one that Rasoolulah:saw: forbade a sahabi to go on a war due to his old mother.

Islam is more than that. We all know that. Don’t we?

*I meant exactly what you stated. *

[skhan]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

man this discussion is going in circles

[rizwanfareed]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

fight fight fight

[the_game]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@rizwanfareed

fight fight fight

I don’t want anyone’s lips on my trousers Rizwan bhaijan!

[Terrible_Guy]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@rizwanfareed

I know a few sentiments will be heard during this topic but based on personal experience i state the following

Every guy that messed about in his days and didnt study hard obviously hasnt got a good job, most of these guys just turn towards religion and become hardcore followers..for example where I live most of the hardcore boys have no jobs, didnt study hard, speek low class english whilt preaching Non muslims about Islam.. what is it? Is this the easy way out? Is this the way so no one looks down on them because they are following religion? Is this a way to avoid a backlash from say their parents for not studying hard enough?

Based on what I’ve seen, I’ll say it’s just your personal experience and bias. The most successful people (even when it comes to job/education) I know are inclined towards deen.
One more thing I’d like to get clarification about is what exactly do you consider religious, at least in the context of this thread?

Based on what I’ve seen, people who are said to be religious or who have had any connection with those said to be religious are scrutinized more closely. There might be a bunch of dropouts who are not into deen but they wouldn’t even be considered in these statistics. So after reading your post, I definitely have the impression that you’re biased.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: why is it mostly the failures at uni/college that turn to religion?

@KAKA-ATOM-BUM

You are all missing the point of the discussion. No one said anywhere, that religion isnt important. Its very important and we should all do our best to learn and practice it to the best of our abilities, but Allah never told u to forget about ur studies, ur future, ur career, and ur parents hopes, and go buy a lota and go to the woods n pray 24/7.

Work hard, study hard, pray hard. Get a good career in this life. Religion isnt stopping you from doing that, and ur career or studies arent stopping you from getting better with ur religion either.

The point rizwan was making was, that you,ll see these kids messing around… and then flunking their exams bad, and a year later u see them with a green turban and mark on their foreheads and pants or shalwars raised above the ankles… and they are still flunking the exams or paying others to do their assignments so they can pass. I call that pathetic!

I personally know people who werent religious at all, infact the opposite, they then start flunking their exams and later on they are supposedly all religious, but u see them flunking their exams and trust me, u know people who know them and lets just say… its more a false sense of feeling better about themselves rather than actually trying to be good at religion and studies at the same time. These same kids have parents overseas thinking their kids are doing great in their studies and have such high hopes for them… and make no mistake, i admire people who care about their religion, but to make religion an excuse for ur failures at uni and career is just wrong… and it happens a lot! I am no one to judge anyones neeyat… but you can see the obvious in most of the cases rizwan is talking about.

Agreed.