Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
Do you mean kind of like how educated people look down on those who are uneducated or perhaps less educated than themselves? Or how wealthy people do the same for people not having their level of wealth?
Yes similar thing. IMO worship is not something to be proud of or presented before others as a Medal.
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
That happens when people can count swab like calories.
When they have nicely crafted formulas to calculate sawab.
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That happens when people can count swab like calories. When they have nicely crafted formulas to calculate sawab.
I kinda relate to this Accounting for Worship. Can you please explain it further?
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
no,
dude Its simple to understand. You must have heard people talking about it.
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no, dude Its simple to understand. You must have heard people talking about it.
Are you referring to some waza'if that guarantee this and that reward?
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Are you referring to some waza'if that guarantee this and that reward?
some ??
dude all of them.... who wont be proud when they know the have "jan'at meen mahal"
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
Its not confidence it Ri'aa (show-off) in most of the cases.
Jis daali main phal lagta hai, wo jhukti hai, but here a little knowledge of religion and worship of a person make him / her arrogant and in-tolerate for those who are not at same scale.
You have presented generalized comments so far as if all pious people or religious individuals are proud and commit ria kaari.
Just to get an idea, how many people who follow religious activities do you think are 'proud' of their ibaadat and actually committing 'ria kaari' ?
I hope you did not mean to be generalized and judgmental.
Please clarify and add exceptions so the posts would not be considered judgmental.
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Are you sure this is not really 'ehsaas e kamtari' which is shown by some who consider religious people arrogant?**
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
You have presented generalized comments so far as if all pious people or religious individuals are proud and commit ria kaari.
Just to get an idea, how many people who follow religious activities do you think are 'proud' of their ibaadat and actually committing 'ria kaari' ?
I hope you did not mean to be generalized and judgmental.
Please clarify and add exceptions so the posts would not be considered judgmental. ** Are you sure this is not really 'ehsaas e kamtari' which is shown by some who consider religious people arrogant?**
You are right that I have referred to the general behaivor, but that does not mean that I said all religious people are involved in ria-kari. May be its my personal experience that I found most of religious people like that.
I don't think that has anything to do with 'ihsas e kamtari' and if for argument purposes we say its due to ihsas e kamtari (inferiority complex) then such complex is triggered by the superiority complex of other party.
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Muqawwee as much as I want to agree with you but there are still good people out there who pray and have good IKHLAQ. It looks like your personal experience is not good, you need to explore more people. I know that a person is judge over the quality of Ibadat vs quantity of Ibadan. But this matter is totally in Allah's hands, who are we to judge, it's just like we say to benamazi or modern people ALLAH is their judge, we should leave these kind of people in Allah hands too.
Pone more thing I want to ask you are you asking questions about different firqahs how they bash each other or are you saying that you met certain type of people who in your eyes were very proud of their ibadats?
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Muqawwee as much as I want to agree with you but there are still good people out there who pray and have good IKHLAQ. It looks like your personal experience is not good, you need to explore more people. I know that a person is judge over the quality of Ibadat vs quantity of Ibadan. But this matter is totally in Allah's hands, who are we to judge, it's just like we say to benamazi or modern people ALLAH is their judge, we should leave these kind of people in Allah hands too. Pone more thing I want to ask you are you asking questions about different firqahs how they bash each other or are you saying that you met certain type of people who in your eyes were very proud of their ibadats?
UZ
I met some people at young age who were proud of being their Devbandi (and not being Muslims), they were teaching young students hatred against Shia and Baralvi people. I saw arms they possessed, I observed clashes between different sects and I saw wall chalking claiming 'Kafir Kafir Shia Kafir'. So that was my first introduction to hatred and that was linked with the connection that Alhamdolillah we belonged to a correct fiqah / sect and the Ibadat of others is useless. So its just not religious vs non-religious its also about religious people vs other religious groups.
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UZ
I met some people at young age who were proud of being their Devbandi (and not being Muslims), they were teaching young students hatred against Shia and Baralvi people. I saw arms they possessed, I observed clashes between different sects and I saw wall chalking claiming 'Kafir Kafir Shia Kafir'. So that was my first introduction to hatred and that was linked with the connection that Alhamdolillah we belonged to a correct fiqah / sect and the Ibadat of others is useless. So its just not religious vs non-religious its also about religious people vs other religious groups.
And you know they do the same when you go to their mosques. In Pakistan people usually use their emotions instead of getting right knowledge, I told you it's both ways , lots people are bashed by baralvis.
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And you know they do the same when you go to their mosques. In Pakistan people usually use their emotions instead of getting right knowledge, I told you it's both ways , lots people are bashed by baralvis.
Yes every sect criticises others for nothing. But belonging to a particular sect and being proud of that is just one side of the story, you can find many practicing people who behave with non-practicing people, which only drive them away from religion. Their attitude say 'Allah to bas hamara hai'
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Maybe this is just me, but I have noticed a trend in the past couple of years, at least within the younger generation of college kids growing up now, that becoming "religious" has almost become glorified in some of our youth groups and it has almost become a trend and "cool" thing. Does anyone know what I mean? So who knows how much they are actually practicing but many of these "so called preacher people" are the first ones to bring up conversation about religion and who knows what about it. Atleast observing people I have grown up around, and that spans from three different cities. Not to undermine or criticize anyone's ibadaat, I am no judge of that but it has become a complex in people to prove they are religious by discussing what they know, how much they know and then ofcourse proving it with those good old iphone apps and google quotes from the internet. I don't find anything wrong with sharing your wealth and knowledge of Islam but its hard to take those people seriously who sit there and preach or discuss so and so aspects of the religion and then five minutes later the discussion has changed its course and the conversation goes to something very superficial and gossipy. Both girls and guys. Thats when it becomes arrogance and just annoying? Just from my observance, I think some of the real knowledgeable people, scholars, youth, all are the ones that are doing a lot of the listening in these types of conversations, and less of the talking.
Just from my obs. :)
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You are right that I have referred to the general behaivor, but that does not mean that I said all religious people are involved in ria-kari. May be its my personal experience that I found most of religious people like that.
I don't think that has anything to do with 'ihsas e kamtari' and if for argument purposes we say its due to ihsas e kamtari (inferiority complex) then such complex is triggered by the superiority complex of other party.
Among religious people there is always a possibility of some people who may be doing the ibaadat for the sake of showing off. But their intentions are seen by God and they will get the results accordingly. (If you believe in that)
Many Ibadaat are done in front of people and yet many ibadaat are done in privacy. It is quite possible if someone is not himself/herself religious merely feels bad for not being religious and then as a defense mechanism projects negative feeling against those who are religious.
This happens in day to day life also. At school, work, friend/families get together, people do get so impressed by someone better that they start looking for some negative trait in that person to make themselves feel better.
Best thing, is to acknowledge those feelings of projection and move on.
Better yet, try to become a better religious person yourself as I said earlier. Is that a difficult task? :)
UZ
I met some people at young age who were proud of being their Devbandi (and not being Muslims), they were teaching young students hatred against Shia and Baralvi people. I saw arms they possessed, I observed clashes between different sects and I saw wall chalking claiming 'Kafir Kafir Shia Kafir'. So that was my first introduction to hatred and that was linked with the connection that Alhamdolillah we belonged to a correct fiqah / sect and the Ibadat of others is useless. So its just not religious vs non-religious its also about religious people vs other religious groups.
You have moved to sectarian issue here.
The idiots and bigots are in every society, religions and sects. Fortunately they are in minority.
But unfortunately some of us just keep focusing on these people and start hating religion itself or stop being religious.
Some of us have no ability to move on and look for good people who still are in majority.
Focusing on bad people gives importance to bad people. This kind of behavior encourages them and makes them stronger.
Why not try finding good people and also write about them instead?
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In Quran, the prophet was advised again and again to convey message in soft words and was asked to told people that he (Prophet) himself don't know what would happen to him, but do religious people follow all this when they deal with other people?
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
In Quran, the prophet was advised again and again to convey message in soft words and was asked to told people that he (Prophet) himself don't know what would happen to him, but do religious people follow all this when they deal with other people?
Some of them do and some of them don't. But I have seen people who are pious , other people usually listen to them, if one has little bit pride in it, no one is gonna listen to them.
Now when you are talking about devbandi, and barelvi issues, we can discuss that in other topic why they bash each other and why devbandis don't listen to them or why People bash Shias.
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
Yes every sect criticises others for nothing. But belonging to a particular sect and being proud of that is just one side of the story, you can find many practicing people who behave with non-practicing people, which only drive them away from religion. Their attitude say 'Allah to bas hamara hai'
May be alims and maulanas are not like that because just maulanas Tariq jameel and justice Taqi usmani belong to that class too. But there might be some people who think high of them.
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
Some of them do and some of them don't. But I have seen people who are pious , other people usually listen to them, if one has little bit pride in it, no one is gonna listen to them.
Now when you are talking about devbandi, and barelvi issues, we can discuss that in other topic why they bash each other and why devbandis don't listen to them or why People bash Shias.
May be alims and maulanas are not like that because just maulanas Tariq jameel and justice Taqi usmani belong to that class too. But there might be some people who think high of them.
people like Molana Tariq Jameel and Taqi Usmani are in minority, when you go in a mosque (say for Juma prayers), the attitude and the way he addresses the people and their issues is just superficial. They seems to be content with their sense of authority and not what is required and need of the time.
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I am not sure if Muqawwee account is stolen or not.
First he was shocked on something, made it a signature and now this “feelings of sense of authority”. 
Tabiat Theek hai Janab Ki?
Re: Why Ibaadat brings Pride?
People who wear their religion on their sleeve are projecting insecurities, or compensating for something. Like overtly religious men who emphasize modesty in women usually turn out to be compulsive oglers and pervs in general. In my personal experience, those who beat the drum of their piety are usually the ones living double lives.
I suspect the sin of pride is in-built. Any ideology, be it religious, philosophical or political, that posits one way of looking at the world is bound to encourage arrogance in its followers. There is only one version of the Truth, only one path to Salvation. You're either going to Hell or Heaven, you're either right or wrong, you're either the Chosen People or not, you're either with us or against us.