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Pakpatriot,
In response to your question I've started a new topic 'Proof that Allah exists' . Why don't you attempt to tackle it?
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this is a stupid thread. i wont let the devil confuse me for my beliefs and make my faith weaker.
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fools need a proof.
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"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alteration of night and day, these are indeed signs for men of understanding." [Aali-Imran: 190]
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Behold! herein indeed are signs for men of knowledge." [Ar-Rum: 22]
" Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendsdown from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and in the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth are signs (of Allah's sovereignty) for people who have sense." [Al-Baqarah: 164]
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A faith is what u believe and others disbelieve in.. and a faith is that which causes ur ego and is the creation of ur insecurity.
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Religion can be believed only by suspending your intelligence. I have decided to be good (well, most of the time!) without beliving in any religion.
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i think alot of people cling to religion to guide them and differentiate good and bad for them.
i DO think that morality can exist without religion....without God ..no...without religion YES!
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Morality cannnot exist without religion.....every moral aspect of the society has its roots in one or the other religion.
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I agree. It’s like someone can become a scholar without going to school.
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How so? Science does not compete with religion on a lot of things…and mostly, a religion like Islam doesn’t focus on the worldly…rather, we have people putting faith in reason…a rather sad state of affairs…the paradox should be obvious.
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Very FEW people can become scholars without going to school…
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Probability/luck collapses at the occurence of the event…easy to claim in hindsight as it’s simply speculation quantified by statistics…but it is not a proof. It’s a claim that makes reference to math, therefore creating the illusion of being “rational”.
How’s your quantim theory? One can also spontaneously teleport across the world…it is probable…given enough time I’m sure it may happen. But, if one told me that they flew down…I wouldn’t even think twice that they are liars and in fact teleported.
Insofar as evolution “getting it right”…I would like numbers. This we should be able to simulate…exactly how many tries would it take, and how long woult it take to randomly create a human from single cells…it’s a long shot, and saying “well, here we are…” is a bit of a cop-out.
We seem to be bending over backwards to wash away the obvious…and invoke convoluted “probabilities” to forcefully take God out of the picture…
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Morality is a religious concept…both are internalized and socially practiced and for
the most part are adheared to dogmatically…
Bhudism, for example, claims a moral system yet is atheistic…or at least not God centric…
God > morality…human understanding of God is a function of history, not of philosophy.
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for most people..religion is important to guide them morally. in my opinion after exposure to the religion you have been brought up with...everyone has the right and the common sense to be able to differentiate between right and wrong, and be able to let go of organized and strict interpretations that are the basis of so many problems, .....WHILE believing in a God. they can even continue with their respective prayers to god.
just my opinion that only prayer to God and moral acts (charity for example) make sense as far as religion is concerned....nothing else.
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There is a historical aspect to this. Religion’s basis is in history, not in logical axioms or scientific theories (for example). Accoording to this history, God had communicated a certain set of constraints, etc. …wouldn’t it be wise to follow them?
How does one know God without religion? Or is it the “sheep” mentality on the part of followers, and the “I am God’s voice on Earth” attitude of religious leaders that actually puts you off…not the religion per sae…
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picoico. i dont think ANYONE should claim to know god. religions/people explain god in their LANGUAGES and thus even GOD for them reflects human qualities/words/languages/emotions. e.g. if you dont do a,b,c god will be ANGRY(or HAPPY) .....a logic familiar to us humans based on our own emotions... WE DONT KNOW in my opinion.
'sheep mentality' does not bother me as much as 'i am voice of GOD' does. since sheep mentality is a convenience for most people to not use their brains....whatever...as long as u arent killing others to prove a point u can be a sheep, horse, whatever. 'i am voice of GOD' is dangerous when you have "sheep" believing u.
I dont understand when you say religion is rooted in history and not philosophy....again it is an opinion and faith when you say that it is a set of rules sent by GOD and another person says that it is the human tendency to find meaning to life and look for guidelines.
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I can vouch for this by personal experience. I have at least a few friends who are totally moral by any standard but do not believe any religion. Every day of my life I thank my good luck having met them. Too many believers in religion (any religion) do far too many immoral things for me to believe seriously that religion is the whole and sole repository of morality.
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How about being familiar with God, then? But that’s just a matter of semantics.
If we don’t know God, then why bother worshipping God? What is God, then…and why should we care if God has no understandable characteristics? What’s the right way to worship God? Do we need to worship God? Religions do more than bark out orders or set up axioms for life…
Enter the Quran. The imperfection of language and human communication aside, it’s in the first person…do we ignore it?
The problem with the view of an "unknowable God’ is that it plays to the idea of God as a social construct…which defeats the purpose of even discussing God even in the abstract.
What if they’re not based on emotions? One could also argue that rejecting a,b,c is based on emotion as well…“how dare God judge me!”…
Religions aren’t so much reasoned out. One day a holy man appears and proclaims devine understanding. Subsequent thought on what has been revealed is often philosophical in nature, but then all such thought stems from historical events and not so much progress in a field of study. There is an imperative to religions that simply isn’t present in other fields of knowledge, and much of the imperative is based on a lineage to and continuation of a historical tradition.
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How are religion and morality exclusive enough to be separated? Both modes of thought are similar…even moralizing people have a tendency to take on “us vs them” positions, which is apparently the root of evil in religious thought.
One need not look further than the Western discourse on how to interact with other “civilizations”…which is heavily steeped in moralistic terms but not religious…but the net result is the same as advocating the defense of “Christendom”.
Even prior to that, the old Western experiment with colonialism, although highly brutal, was also done in the name of morality and not religion per sae.