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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
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Sunni added on As-salat ul khair-ul-minal noum in the fajar Azan and this is not a sunnah of the prophet SOOOo your call to namaz is wrong!
Whlie paying namaz when Sura al-fathia is finished all you say ameen which again is not a sunnah of the prophet!
hazart umer being next prophet?
Most of the above mentioned things are by him sooooo again he is responable for all your sunni inovation mess!
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Hey hey hold on hold on!!! Enough with mouthing about Imam ^Omar Radiallahu-^anhu! You think any of you Shi^as or all of you equivalate to the rank of Imam ^Omar?!! Don't even think about it.
Imam ^Omar Radiallahu ^anhu brought some things in for us, but they all comply with the religion non oppose the religion, and Prophet Muhammad said that if you innovate something in the religion that complies by it, you will get your reward and the reward of those who practice it. So, Mawlidnu-Nabiyy, Making Mihrab (Where the imam makes Khutbah), the second athan, the dots of Al Qur'an (i.e., dot above the fa' letter and dot below the ba' letter and the others) these were all not done by the prophet by they all comply by the relegion. And Muslim scholars agree to that.
Now, Shi^as, Our point of view as Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama^ah, is that if they believe that Imam ^Ali is a prophet of god as some do, or if they disrespect the companions, Then they are not accepted in Islam. If they have other differences such as following imams only and things like, that does not make them out of Islam. Whomever innovates things in Islam that oppose Al Qur'an and sayings of the Prophet, that is not acceptable.
Please everyone keep issues you don't know about to yourself and learn the truth. Imam ^Omar is from the 4 Qaliphates he's one of the best of Sahabah.
May Allah guide us to his path and may Allah unite us. Ameen.
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Hey c'mon people, just cut it out. Declaring someone Kafir is really too much.
Not all the Sunnis are great Muslims and not all Shias are perfect Muslims either. Each and everyone will be assesed individually by Allah Almighty Himself.
By declaring Fatwas, you are just ruining everyones mood.
We don't need sects...we need unity amongst Muslims.
Look what's happening in Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya etc... We should all unite together and fight in the way of Allah instead of briniging up stupid (and baseless) topics. Muslim world has enough trouble already so please...just CUT IT OUT.
The Sunnis should stop declaring Shias Kafir, and the Shias should stop finding fault in Sunnis and their books.
Who says nothing is impossible? I've been doing nothing all my life!
To all the SUNNI muslims. Always remmeber majority is not always right. Just like in KARABLA when Imam Hussain fought thousand of other muslim who think they were right. We are following IMAMS(THE FAMILY of HOLY PROPHET).
Yes we do not beleive in caliphs peroid.
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Originally posted by Hum Sa Ho To Samne Aaye:
**Look what's happening in Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya etc... We should all unite together and fight in the way of Allah instead of briniging up stupid (and baseless) topics. Muslim world has enough trouble already so please...just CUT IT OUT.
The Sunnis should stop declaring Shias Kafir, and the Shias should stop finding fault in Sunnis and their books.
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You are absolutely right. As I mentioned, we do not declare shi^as or anyone as kafir unless we knwo that they are opposing the creed of Prophet Muhammad.
u know i understand that u respect ur khalifas..thats understandable..but there is a reason why shia do not like them..Bibi Fatima didnt die a natural death..She was murdered..she wasnt even 20 years of old..i bet most of my sunni brother/sisters didnt even know that..so if shia are convinced about this then how can u expect them to have respect for the killers of Bibi Fatima? i suggest u people to do some research..She was pregnant at the time..so not only they murdered Her they also killed Imam Mohsin..She told Imam Ali to bury her at night so these killers cant attend her funeral..till today we dont really know where her grave is…so there is a reason we dont have respect for such people
but i dont hate sunnis..i love my sunni friends..infact my closest friends are sunni..i do want all the muslims to be united to fight the kaafir..but these idiots are calling shia kaafir..that just pisses me of ..jiss baat ka pata na hona to uskay baaray main baat nahi kerni chahiye..samjhay??
[This message has been edited by Sherazz (edited November 16, 2000).]
sheraaz, i never attaacked the shia’ books…i only questioned…as for the site…i’d rather believe in books than some website…b/c i looked up what the website had in the books, and COULD NOT FIND IT!!! can be a bit more clear on that???no, i dont think so…
as for cooldude, i dont consider him right…he said some rude comments about sahi bukhari himself in another post…
about my reply bringing your state of elation down,howz about me telling you that i’ll be soon (inshallah) borrowing books from the shia’ community to observe…does that make you feel better???
im hopin it does,and im also hopin u would do the same…again, plz dont rely on the internet…b/c im telling you, i didnt find the finger/leg incidents in written text…
ok well i guess i would have to spend some money and buy sahi bukhari for myself..i dont evne know where they sell it and how mch it cost..sure go ahead and buy shia books..buy Nahjul Balagha..i know people have been englighted just by reading that book..i do not doubt the sites i have given u to read..and again once u read my post and i say somthing in it then do try to discuss that issue..like for example the death of Bibi Fatima..it was a big tragedy..just dont ignore it..ask ur Alim about it also
sheraaz,
majoryity of muslims in a community is usually sunni…do you not know any sunnis, that have a copy of sahi bukhari (im trying to help you save mulah!
communist
once Prophet said I am leaving behind two things 1. Quran 2. My Ahle bait..meaning books wont tell u everything all the time..u need to talk to Alim as well..because they know much more about religion then we do
ok my ques went unanswered again (i guess its a really stupid question or u guys just tryin to avoid it )
but it is still botherin me i would like my shia friend to ans it
** why the way u (shia) say prayers n give adhan is different from the way its said n given in Khana Kaba of which protection Allah promised to do Himself.**
Hazrat Usman or Omer i think were the one who gave Quran its presnt shape. before that it was only in the hearts of muslims. n it was durin their period when Arabic was written in a way so that non Arab muslims can read it easily.
Every thing else is upon Him the Creator of the universe.
About me questioning every word you write, 'tis hard to do...i question whatever pops into my mind....
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It is really funny u say this coz When I post something in my mind I get criticised and so does Watcher!
OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
** ... Prophet Muhammad said that if you innovate something in the religion that complies by it, you will get your reward and the reward of those who practice it.**
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Can you give some references on this? This is a very powerful statement. If you can give me any references, I can flaunt it in the face of my wahabi friends.
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Originally posted by nick:
**ok my ques went unanswered again (i guess its a really stupid question or u guys just tryin to avoid it )
but it is still botherin me i would like my shia friend to ans it
** why the way u (shia) say prayers n give adhan is different from the way its said n given in Khana Kaba of which protection Allah promised to do Himself.**
Hazrat Usman or Omer i think were the one who gave Quran its presnt shape. before that it was only in the hearts of muslims. n it was durin their period when Arabic was written in a way so that non Arab muslims can read it easily.
Every thing else is upon Him the Creator of the universe. **
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Allah took the security of Kaba 100%!
BUT before and during the time of Prophet Mohammed there used to be Idols in kaba so does that make Idol worrship right?(astagfirrullah)
There used to be Nudity in kaba does that make it right?
Allah to protection of kaba not what goes on Inside!
OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS
Shah Jahan! that still doesnt answer 'nick's' question!!!
these kinds of counter questions make me wanna think "is he avoiding the question"...now u really dont want us thinking that, do you???? smile
laterz..
[quote] **“Whlie paying namaz when Sura al-fathia is finished all you say ameen which again is not a sunnah of the prophet!” **
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The Holy Prophet says that when a Muslim comes to the end of the prayer contained in Al-Fatiah, he should say ﻦﻴﻣﺁ (Amen) i.e.Accept our Prayer, O Lord ! It is therefore customary with Muslims to say ‘Amen’ after reciting Al-Fatiah.
If I may ask a question over here about the objection made above, what difference does it make if we don’t say Amen in the end of this most beautiful and powerful prayer?
Please note, Al-Fatiah is the very first chapter of the Quran and the importance it holds is beyond ones imagination. To put it in a nutshell, the chapter contains the essence of the entire Quranic teaching. It comprises, in outline, all the subject matters dealt with at length in the body of Quran. Aptly called “Al-Salat” (the Prayer), signifies that the chapter forms a perfect combination of Prayer and Praise of Allah. So I deem that there is absolutely no harm to say 'Accept our Prayer, O Lord !' at the end of this very special prayer.
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Originally posted by X_Communist: Shah Jahan! that still doesnt answer 'nick's' question!!!
these kinds of counter questions make me wanna think "is he avoiding the question"...now u really dont want us thinking that, do you???? smile
laterz..
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My answer Is good Enough Idols are part of worship(for kafirs) and azan is also call of worship!
So if allah had taken security for kaba idol worship would never had happend!
OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS
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Originally posted by X_Communist: Shah Jahan! that still doesnt answer 'nick's' question!!!
these kinds of counter questions make me wanna think "is he avoiding the question"...now u really dont want us thinking that, do you???? smile
laterz..
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My answer Is good Enough! Idols are part of worship(for kafirs) and azan is also call of worship!
So if allah had taken security for kaba idol worship would never had happend!
Similaraly Azan If Idols are wrong Azan might be wrong also!
Let us proove If Idols, which is shirk were allowed in kaba while Allah was protecting it then Why Azan could not be right!
OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS