The detail regarding the Kufr of shias is that; such Shi’ahs who believe in tempering Qur’an, or have faith that Hadhrat Jibraeel (alaihis-salaam) made mistake in conveying the revelation (Wahee), or consider the imputation leveled against Hadhrat 'Aishah (radhi Allahu 'anhaa) as true, or are convinced in the Lordship of Hadhrat Ali (radhi Allahu 'anhu), or deny the Companionship of Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddique (radhi Allahu 'anhu), then all such shi’ahs are Kafir (infidel) without any doubt. They should be dealt like other infidels.
However those shi’ahs who have not faith/belief in these things but abuse or use abusive language against first orthodox Caliphs, or give preference to Hadhrat Ali (radhi Allahu 'anhu) on other Caliphs, are though Muslims but are definitely Fasiq and Fajir (transgressors). It is better to refrain in doing marriage matters with them.
Keeping in view the above detail it is difficult to term all shiahs as Kafir or to term all as Muslims.
And it is also not correct to term them as fifth Islamic sect.
(ref: Raddul Muhtaar; vol.4 p-237)
In addition to those, shias do TABARA'A at 3 caliphs(Abu Bakr, Umar adn Usman..radi ul Allah ho anh), also they say that Hazrat Aisha Radi al LLa ) was not a good woman(in worst mean)
They have different Kalima, different kind of namaz, they sajda on rock(from karbala) every thing are change
surely they are in denial of teachigns of mohammad...they invent new things in islam according to their own desires and will...surely these people corrupt islam ...what a shame they are to islam... i say we call sipa-sahaba or laksher-e taibaa and kill these devient inventors and corrupts of islam.
Jaagtey rehna...merey pe na rehna ;)
... i say we call sipa-sahaba or laksher-e taibaa and kill these devient inventors and corrupts of islam.<<<
Chonkee Dar.. this is already happening. In some segments of Pakistani society, they need any excuse to kill innocent people. The groups you mention (Lashkar and Sipa) are scum of the earth. If anything, the sensible Pakistanis need to put these groups in the place they came out from, that will be Saudi’s arz. And make sure that they never see the light of the day. You are too proud of following the “right” version, but you don’t know that Muslims of the place where Islam was born don’t think very highly of the Pakistani version. Talk about deviations.
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ANYONE who corrupts islam and invents new things in islam and names it part of ISLAM is creating lies against allah and mohammad and disrespecting him..he do not deserve to live..you wana make new religion?sure, call it with some other name and NOT islam!
Jaagtey rehna…merey pe na rehna 
well said NYAhmadi
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, thats all i gotta say i dont wanna bother with these losers
ChoonkiDar
** ANYONE who corrupts islam and invents new things in islam and names it part of ISLAM
is creating lies against allah and mohammad and disrespecting him..he do not deserve to
live..you wana make new religion?sure, call it with some other name and NOT islam! **
I think we should start with you first....
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May God give you the brains...The person who wrongly judge others without any slightest knowledge cannot be called muslims..
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very smart Zalim
i think we should leave The matter of Shia to Allah n let Him decide
rite now muslim umah is facin bigger problems n that is palestine
in my opinion why don't we send sippa n lashkar to Israel n help the muslim over there.
one think i forgot to add none of my shia friends have responded to wat was said inthe first post .
i think u guys r tryin to avoid them r u
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when you love Islam then u try to make peace..
Imam Ali's (AS) last will to his sons Imam Hasan (AS) and Imam Hussain (AS) following a fatal blow on his head during morning prayers by Ibn Muljim (A Kharijite):
I advise you, and all my children, my relatives, and whosoever receives this message, to be conscious of Allah, to remove
your differences, and to strengthen your ties. I heard your grandfather, peace be upon him, say: "Reconciliation of your
differences is more worthy than all prayers and all fasting."
there was a speech by Imam Khomeni that we should forget our differences and just be united, i said earlier our shia leaders tell shia people living in saudia to go by saudi rules..just so there is no fighting..now u see what shias are really about
i was trying not to talk bout shia/sunni issue but these idiots have to bring it again
nick sipah and lashkar are not trained to help the people of palestine..they are trained to go in Mosques and shoot the innocent people
Chonkee Daar, Sherrybaba,
Offensive language, and insultive remarks directed towards any religion, religious figure or fellow member will not be tolerated. This is your warning.
off course, shias has created lot of things by their own mind, evey they said Quran is not complete, the lamb of Hazrat Usman(radi al llah ho anh) had eated 10 juz(paras)...
so if anyone who doesnt believe in quran how do htey are muslim...
maximboy next time u want to say somthing then say it with a reference from a shia book..dont make stupid stories please..thank u
u know wat guys this matter is not gona solve like this why don’t we meet face to face n finish it for once
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wat u think
u know wat i’m a suuni n really don’t care wat shias beleive are n wat ever but when they talk bad about Hazrat Muhammads pbuh companions it really hurts me
my parents always teach me to respect others belief n i think by postin such topics we r doin no good i think we r gettin no sawab either so why don’t we save our energies n use it for some better coz like writtin in usa today n explainin to these stupid americans wat palestinians r fightin for
this fight among ourself gona take us nowhere now european countries r becomin one n where this idea came from yeah rite from us muslims so why cann’t we become muslims i mean just muslims let shias do wat they want to do coz they should know wat they r doin n wat we sunnis r doin
i have just one ques how many of u guys talkin about each other faith n generalizin about each other have actually went n said all of ur prayers
i think we should look at ourself first n once we think that we r at alevel where we can give tafseer of Quran n fight on faith i guess then u guys should at higher level otherwise just stop this fightin n try to just good muslims
Sheeraz, trust me, I had so many books in khi, written by converted muslims from shias.....un fortunetly I didnt bring those here
Sheeraz about tabarra, i have seen it in saudia,,,,
i gave up on this shia sunni but these guys are keep on bringing it nick so what can i say..if u respect the companions then go ahead..i m not stopping u..there is a reason why shia dont respect them..u should know that every true shia loves Prophet as much as anyone..so obviously we love the family of Prophet alot also..there is so much man i dont wanna get into it..if every shia go by the teaching of Prophet like we are suppose to then we should be on the right path
maximboy i dont know what books u are talking about..maybe those books are writtin by shia haters just to make them look bad..ther are many shia websites..read them and if u dont like somthing about them then we can discuss that www.al-islam.org < this is a great site..check it out..i just want us to be frekin united
u know wat sherazz its a bad habit of us pak n desis dat we never stick to the topic always deviate from it
like saleem gave his reasons why he think shias should be called non muslims but some of my guppy friends just come over here n instead of adding some thing imp. they just they this fatwa that shias should be killed hahaha funny isn't it
so lets do it like this dat we only give our reasons i means my shias friend tell me us why they think they r on the right path n then we sunnis give our reasons
so why don't u reply to shahzada posts
n then reply to my ques
why is ur azan n the way u say ur prayers r different then the way they r said in Khana KAba keepin in mind dat Allah promise us that He takes the responsibility of protecting it.
i think we should try to persuade one another rather then insult
U know why i think shias cannot be called Kafirs is coz
they beleive in KAlma the basis of Emaan is to beleive in oneness of Allah n that Muhammad pbuh is His last prophet.
one who beleives in these two things things cannot be called Kafirs unless shias have a different kalma do u guys have or not ?
n sheraz as u said dat if i want to respect Prophet's pbuh companion go ahead
i read it in A hadith
If u want to respect your dead parents, give respect to ur parents friends
n then Prophet pbuh trusted his companions with His life e.g Hazrat Abu Bakr was the soul companion on the journey to MAdina
Fi Aman Allah