Re: Why do parents in Pakistan waste money on educating their daughters?
^ditto.
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Well I am done with this thread. When people start saying girls don't need a "further education", I simply hope Allah makes sure they rot in hell for such sentiments.
Re: Why do parents in Pakistan waste money on educating their daughters?
^ Is that a curse, CM?
Re: Why do parents in Pakistan waste money on educating their daughters?
The point tt's trying to make here is to don't stop learning and working even after the marriage and kids, working might be difficult for some women but Islamically we need to seek knowledge from cradle to the grave but I see a lot of highly educated married Pakistani women watching StarPlus and Geo and crap all day.
its crazy ! making money is not the only reason one gets educated and groomed wake up man its 21st century!
Because that's the only thing women are good at, cooking and cleaning. I thought you knew
One true speaker! God bless you.
Re: Why do parents in Pakistan waste money on educating their daughters?
Education is never a waste of money unless you pay too much and buy your kids degree. Parents are just carrying out their duties by giving their daughters a decent education. If after she marries she doesn't work her education will always be there, as back up if nothing else. No one knows what the future will bring, but an education is something that comes in useful at various points in our life, even if a women doesn't work or have a career.
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God you people totally took this the wrong way.
My post was sarcastic people if you didn't notice. I am all for educating women. (oh hell, I'm borderline feminist).
Education does not make a person more open-minded.
I still don't see how a Masters in IT would help a woman raise her family well or even help her be open-minded.
The reason for this post is that I see so many educated women in Pakistan who have so much potential to contribute to the country, yet the only expectations for them is to be a housewife.
Yes, some choose to be housewives and that can be respected, but in a country like Pakistan it would be better these educated women were doing more than just cooking and cleaning.
Education is a must for everyone be it a boy or girl. In our desi culture home and kids are the responsibilty of a woman and an educated lady will fullfill these responsibilities much better. However, I do agree that if a woman gets a professional degree like MBBS or engineering then she should consider working. In Pakistan there are limited number of admission available every year for these professional degree programes so if you are taking a seat then it just make sense to properly use it as well.
Why is it that tt bhai sahab ONLY finds faults in people in Pakistan, things in Pakistan..women in Pakistan, men in Pakistan?
Education is critical even to raise children, and raise them well!
This is a Pakistani forum after all isn't it?
So are you saying that a girl with degree in IT does a better job raising kids than a girl who just graduated from high school?
I think you and Ali Usman are related in some way or form!
from his thread! http://www.paklinks.com/gs/life-relationships/324094-work-after-marriage-2.html
p.s I’m not trying to be rude, but its funny how you both said almost the same thing
p.s2 Ali your cool, so please don’t take this personally!
Ali is right in the sense that just because someone does not have the privilege to be as educated as someone else it does not mean that they are not capable of doing the things that the educated person can do, such as raise a family or that they should be looked down upon.
Is it necessary that one needs to "get" something tangible in order for education to be worth it? Shouldn't it be ok for someone to learn something simply for the sake of learning it? Even if a person does nothing more with that knowledge than just "cook or clean," why do we have to consider it a waste?
The Prophet (PBUH) is reported to have said "Seek knowledge even unto China." He didn't say, seek knowledge to earn a better standard of living, seek knowledge to raise more well-rounded children, etc. even though education can be helpful for each of those things.
I agree with tt01 and many of the posters here who have stated that if a woman has gone to all the trouble of getting higher education, that she should really put that knowledge to use in the professional sphere. But it's not always possible for so many reasons. Many times girls (and boys) are pushed by their parents to pursue degrees that they're not interested in the first place. A good friend of mine is a brilliant seamstress (really brilliant - she had no lessons. She just sort of looked at a sewing machine one day and figured it out almost overnight and can whip up the most beautiful clothes). But that talent is going to waste because her father is insisting on a business degree that she's not even remotely interested in and I'm pretty sure once she's done with her MBA, she's just going to drop it.
Other girls are truly interested in what they study, but once it's rishta time, their parents or the boy's parents or both expect and often force her to stop her studies to look after home and hearth.
And some women choose to step down. They loved school, loved learning about their favorite subject, but now want to devote their attentions full time to their families...and many of them are lucky enough to have great husbands and families who fully support them and don't scold them about the great degree they've earned and why aren't they doing anything worthwhile with it.
Having said that some families do see it as just a status symbol, course a girl with a degree is usually more 'marketable' to potential rishtas than one without. When my Mum was looking around for my brother he liked the look of a girl who worked as a secretary and my Mum said 'no way' purely on that basis..
-exactly the reason I started this thread. There are girls who have a less chance of getting married because their parents did not have the money to put them through higher education, even though they could make better housewives than the educated gals.
Is it necessary that one needs to "get" something tangible in order for education to be worth it? Shouldn't it be ok for someone to learn something simply for the sake of learning it? Even if a person does nothing more with that knowledge than just "cook or clean," why do we have to consider it a waste?
The Prophet (PBUH) is reported to have said "Seek knowledge even unto China." He didn't say, seek knowledge to earn a better standard of living, seek knowledge to raise more well-rounded children, etc. even though education can be helpful for each of those things.
I agree with tt01 and many of the posters here who have stated that if a woman has gone to all the trouble of getting higher education, that she should really put that knowledge to use in the professional sphere. But it's not always possible for so many reasons. Many times girls (and boys) are pushed by their parents to pursue degrees that they're not interested in the first place. A good friend of mine is a brilliant seamstress (really brilliant - she had no lessons. She just sort of looked at a sewing machine one day and figured it out almost overnight and can whip up the most beautiful clothes). But that talent is going to waste because her father is insisting on a business degree that she's not even remotely interested in and I'm pretty sure once she's done with her MBA, she's just going to drop it.
Other girls are truly interested in what they study, but once it's rishta time, their parents or the boy's parents or both expect and often force her to stop her studies to look after home and hearth.
And some women choose to step down. They loved school, loved learning about their favorite subject, but now want to devote their attentions full time to their families...and many of them are lucky enough to have great husbands and families who fully support them and don't scold them about the great degree they've earned and why aren't they doing anything worthwhile with it.
I understand that you don't get an education so you can make money or have a job, but in a developing country like Pakistan it should be expected that people apply their education by working and contributing to society.
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I agree. Completely. And I wish everybody thought that way...that if we get something as valuable as an education, we should give back. And what better way to give back then to contribute to one's homeland?
But many people don't think like that. In Pakistan (and in Pakistani communities outside of Pakistan), many people don't get that receiving a degree really isn't just another thing you're supposed to put on your "bio-data" to make you more attractive to a potential rishta. I can't tell you the number of Pakistani girls I knew in college who were there simply because mummy and abbu wanted them to find a potential mate and chose subjects based purely on what does/doesn't look in the eyes of potential susraal. I can't tell you the number of Pakistani boys who were bored out of their skulls in their biology or physics classes when they were really interested in social work, history, political science, etc. but didn't dare because what girl's parents would say yes if they weren't doctors or engineers.
Obtaining an education to give back is, unfortunately, a foreign concept to a lot of people.
I agree. Completely. And I wish everybody thought that way...that if we get something as valuable as an education, we should give back. And what better way to give back then to contribute to one's homeland?
But many people don't think like that. In Pakistan (and in Pakistani communities outside of Pakistan), many people don't get that receiving a degree really isn't just another thing you're supposed to put on your "bio-data" to make you more attractive to a potential rishta. I can't tell you the number of Pakistani girls I knew in college who were there simply because mummy and abbu wanted them to find a potential mate and chose subjects based purely on what does/doesn't look in the eyes of potential susraal. I can't tell you the number of Pakistani boys who were bored out of their skulls in their biology or physics classes when they were really interested in social work, history, political science, etc. but didn't dare because what girl's parents would say yes if they weren't doctors or engineers.
Obtaining an education to give back is, unfortunately, a foreign concept to a lot of people.
Finally, someone understands my perspective. :AID:
I should add a caveat though. This mentality of "everyone look out for themselves" is not exclusive to Pakistani society. It's human nature. Global, universal...it's everywhere. I know we all realize that.
So it's up to us to look at our own motives and try to change our way of thinking and acting so that we can be better people, better Muslims. If we do that, then I think that so many of the stupid, wasteful things we see going on around us (i.e. getting a degree for the sake of being a better candidate on the marriage mart) will start to change. Because we made ourselves change.
This is a Pakistani forum after all isn't it? So are you saying that a girl with degree in IT does a better job raising kids than a girl who just graduated from high school?
It is a Pakistani forum.. but till date I have yet to see a thread started by you that has anything positive to say about Pakistan...
We're talking basic education.. having a Phd doesn't make someone a fantastic mother..
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im gonna be an IT graduate and i think from alot of ppl’s POV here i’ll be feeding anti virus softwares to my kids and hubby and spending my time debugging and rebooting their systems. total use of my degree.hooray!!! 
yeah i gained knowledge but for wat??
i agre with u ppl somehow that an educated woman can be a better mother or a wife but dont see how an IT graduate, fashion designer or a bussiness grad can make use of her education in making her home a better place:konfused:
seriously if u want to raise kids then kindly get some housekeeping degrees not IT or political science 
and its true that girls get better grades in our country and so its easier for them to get into universitties than guys and in the end they’ll jst wrap their degrees in gottey wali chaddar and sit at home and those poor guys or girls jst dont get into universities jst because these geeky to-be-married-and -raise-kids girls r working so hard to earn a degree in their place.
u want knowledge then learn it some other way rather than snatching the right of totally worthy and willing candidates who will actually use that knowledge to put food on the table. its totally unfair IMO.
knowlegde can be ganed in many other fields and n many other ways. knowledge is everywhere not in jst medical or IT or bussiness.
y is only becomig a doctor or engineer is considered worthy then??