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haven't you just posted a reply in life1 where a pakistani is complaining she can't marry due to her caste/zaat?
isnt'it hindu? so i'm sorry but hindu culture still has some influence over pakistani, though things are changing , inshallah.
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Not all, but many American Whites wont marry American Blacks because of race... this is simply ignorance/prejudice embedded in society... and there are tonnes examples of such everywhere in the world based on race, caste, tribe, nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc.
Although inter-ethnic and inter-tribal marriages are commonplace in Pakistan, there are still many who wont marry with people having different tribal or ethnic associations because of the tradition of prejudice/ignorance. In Pakistan, tribal background is confused with caste.
So dont blame it on the Hindus or other people of the world for influencing us, the truth is Pakistanis themselves are to be blamed! And dont forget any kind of prejudice is against Islamic principles...so many Pakistanis are not following the basics of their religion.
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hallo this is zaat paat thingi is unislamic but here we have indians (hindus)who despretly try to convince us that we are same when they and the whole world know we (pakistanis)are racially different then them and i am not recist for me a muslim is muslim no black or white but i cant ignore when indian come with same **** again and again.their was no india before 1947 ,there has never been a united india and the name india it self is pakistani so they should thank us that we even allowed them to use this name and this heritage is our not their just coz most pakistanis take pride in our islamic identity does not give them the right to steal our heritage and call it theirs.(indus valley is in present day pakistan)
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It is a fact. They never talk about it. Just like here, almost none from my community has participated in discussions on skin color or has boosted superiority on that basis. (Some other people here are talking of their superiority over Indians by taliking about their lighter skin color.) However, members from mu community might have proudly talked about their values and struggle for liberty and freedom and against domination.
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Plus, we have some posters here (claiming they are superior pashtun warriors or something), rejoicing over the fact that they are 'lighter' compared to other Pakistani Muslims, whom they refer to as 'hindus',
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What you can do if you are faced with a mindset that thinks that by degrading others, you can be respectful. There was a guy here (soomru or something), who, for no apparent reason, would, again and again, pass derogatory remarks about my community. As the moderators were showing ambivalence to his investives, so I had to respond. But I didn't talk about skin-color.
Even now there are threads on this forum with indecent remarks about my community. The mentality which prevails Pakistani media also has impact on some minds here.
No one from my community talked about superiority or inferiority. They talked about their history to bring home the point that they have a distinct past, have some values they tried to preserve with their lives, and that their actions had a rationale.
As for me, I have talked about Punjabis but what I said had political orientation. Even to political comments, some people here would respond by labeling my community "sand niggers", "Jews", which obviously are racist remarks. Rest I have respect for all, considering no one inferior.
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just to appease themselves because of their sorry present states. And yeah, to be honest, they arent light skinned anyways, so I wonder what the fuss is about.
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Whatever, we are, we own it and accept it. And we would struggle to pull our selves out of the troubles. In the past also, my community saw so many bad days but it never gave up. Despite all the wars and destructions, we still have bit of achievements to our credit e.g. in education, services, etc. . Even Musharaf accepts it that we are a progressive community.
As for skin-color, that is such a petty matter that I will not even talk about it.
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What I said about this skin color was in good faith. I saw many incidences that really were embarrassing.
There was this site, dcpersian, of Iranian community that I visted by chance. There were some guys from Pakistan there...One was Raza Pahlavi that is also a member of this forum. Now they would try to convince Iranians (rather beg them ) that they are very close to Iranians in looks and physical appearance and in many cases were their descendents. But Iranians would reject and insult them and would distance themselves from them.
The most unfortunate aspect of this was, they would tell Iranians that the ugly-looking Pakistanis are actually Urdu-speakers of Karachi who migrated from India. Now how can one degrade one's own country men just to be accepted by another community. I found it very embarrassing, immoral, and self-degrading.
Another incidence I observed was in a more formal setting. There was a seminar on Iran/Pakistan historical links. The guy from Pakhtunkhwa (NWFP) stood up and spoke about the remains of Ahaemenian period in different areas of Pakhtunkhwa. Then this guy from Punjab or Karachi made a speech on the cultural and ethnic links between Iran and Pakistan. He painted a picture as if the people of the area he was from were actually "the children of Persians/Iranians". Many people realized how self-humuliating it was. The guest from Iranian consulate even laughed.
Evey person is dignified no matter what is his skin color, religion, or ethnic background.
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I watch Indian T.V. channels as well as Pakistani. Until, they declare it, one cannot distinguish between Indians and Pakistanis merely from dress, language, manners, looks, etc.
Nevertheless, Hindustani Civilization is a great civilization in many aspects superior than Persian Civilization. Look at its secularism, ethnic and religious tolerance, achievements in arts and culture, and progress in political sphere. Persian Civilization has become stuck in Shiaism and Persianism. Throughout, history it has just re-invented itself. From recorded history till this day, Persian Civilzation has become sort of bound with the concept of empire (worship of the emperor). The present Mullahs are another re-incarnation of ancient emperors. In short, it is an imperial continuety with no creative spirit, sectarian tolerance, cultural inclusiveness, etc.
If given a free choice, I'll like my community to be a part of Hindustani Civilization provided:
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Some Iranians ("Westernized") tend to be racist based on their ignorance and false sense of superiority complex. Some of them would even make bigoted comments against Baluchs, Pashtuns, Afghans, and Arabs...calling them savages, dark and ugly. So their rejection is not limited to Pakistanis, and goes much more beyond including its own citizens/minorities. But we should not stereotype all Iranians based on these forums/etc.
Most importantly, Iranian is the same word as Aryan, so the present-day country of Iran does not have a monopoly on this proto-ethnic and historic terminology. The people of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, western Turkey, northern Iraq, northwest India, and parts of Central Asia are descended from ancient Iranians/Aryans... this includes their language, culture, and race. Of course those ancient Aryans/Iranians were mixed with other peoples/races over time, but they have by large retained their unique traits through the process of evolution. Besides the ancient Aryans/Iranians, there is a lot of other shared heritage in the region such as those under the Achaemenian, Greek, Scythian, Hepthalite, Arab, Turkic, Mongol, etc. periods.
Now whether a racist/ignorant Persian rejects a Punjabi for being a shade darker and denies sharing a common heritage then thats just nonsense, and deserves no attention. The fact is historically the people of Pakistan have been much closer to its western neighbors (Afghanistan-Iran-CAsia) than to its eastern neighbor (India). And then Pakistan inherits its own unique and great civilizations based on the Indus Valley such as the Harappans, Rigvedic Aryas (Sapta Sindhva), Gandharans, etc.
Just in the past one hundred and some years ago with the arrival of the British an "Indian/Hindustani" identity was created with Urdu/Hindi (Gangetic) culture as its foundation and promoted to other regions under its rule. This trend has continued after Pakistan's independence due to the domination of Muhajirs (carriers of Urdu/Hindi culture) and their promotion of it via the media, govt, schools, etc. Similar concerns are in India with Tamils, Nagas, Sikhs, etc rejecting the Hindi-Urdu (i.e. Hindustani/gangetic) cultural imperialism, and fighting against their on-going cultural genocides.
India (British-created/promoted "Hindustani/gangetic civilization") is no model for tolerance, freedom, etc. Ask the oppressed Nagas, Tamils, Dalits, Muslims, Sikhs, Kashmiris, Manipurans, Tripurans, Mizos, etc. on their plight in India and then we can see a clearer picture.
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Pakistan4Ever, I meant if given the only choice to choose between Persian and Hindustani civilizations, I'll select Hindustani Civilization because I find it more tolerant to religious, cultural, and ethnic diversity. Acts speak louder than words. Sixteen languages have been given official (national?)langauge status in their respective regions in India. More Muslims from India go for Haj and Umra than any other country and there are famous centers of Islamic learning in India. There are more books on Islam published there. And only Muslim family laws are in force for Muslims.
I am not a religious man, but this points to the culture of religious/cultural diversity in India. Now compare this with Iran and other Muslim countries, which, almost all, are perfect case examples of cultural oppression and extermination. ( I accept there was this caste system in Hindustan but Hidustan has this flexibility to adjust to new circumstance...and you should also accept it that there is more attention, freedom, and patronage given to Punjabi language in India than to Pashto or Punjabi in Pakistan...Let us not ignore these facts just to construct an identity for ourselves..)
As for some antagonism towards Muslims, one should seek its causes in the partition history and the communal politics of that time as well as the antagonistic relations between Pakistan and India after partition.
This doesn't mean I am very much fond of India/Hindustan.
I said if associating with Hindustan or Irani Civilization is the only choice, I will prefer Hindustani Civilization. Otherwise, I would put my lot with none and would like to be my own. Instead of associating with others as an un-welcome appendage (in the sense of broader cultural/civilizational identity), it is more dignified to take pride in one's own culture, history, and identity. Who the hell are these Iranians, Central Asians, Arabs, etc. Although, I am poor but I have the determination and zeal to deal with others on the basis of equality and to assert myself, and to compete with others, and to make progress. (I also accept my weaknesses and the need for radical reforms e.g. gender equality, personal liberty, etc.).
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As for as this Urdu-Hindi, I am in absolute agreement with you. It is a foreign language imposed on us and has displaced other languages of the land from their rightful position. This doesn't mean I am against Urdu-Hindi speakers of Pakistan but I want my native and natural right.
I don't want to be diluted in Indian culture involutarily/colonially and without my choice.
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bhaijaan. I am sorry but I 50% disagree with you. How can a muslim(muslims in India) live with Kaafirs peacefully? There’s always a pressure on muslims plus Indian muslims have told me that Indians are way too liberal- no veil/ghoonghat these days plus they are getting westernized fast- not good place for muslims. It casts a bad shadow on a muslim walking on the street seeing ladies without burqa and wearing skirts etc. Why do they muslim laws for muslims alone? why not for the entire awam?
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I disagree with you on your perceptions on India. It might have given “official” statuses to a few languages, but Hindi-Urdu is still being imposed. Here are a few references:
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/hin...idxhin000.html
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0803/56.html
Dont get me wrong I am not saying Pakistan is any better than India in that aspect of respecting/preserving the various native cultures/languages, both countries have similar situations, and thats why I want an end to Urdu (aka Hindi) as Pakistan’s national language.
As far as Muslims in India are concerned, I had the opportunity of visiting India a few years back, and I hate to say that Muslims have become the most backward, poor, and uneducated in India… they are by large not even close to the standards Pakistanis are living. And then the ethnic cleansing of Muslims that has been going on in India such as in the state of Gujarat. Muslims in India are more and more getting absorbed in the ocean of Gangetic-Hindu culture. What guarantee was there that Punjabis/Pashtuns/Sindhis/Baluchs would have prospered under the Gangetic-Hindu dominated India? Zilch!
As far as comparing between our western (Iran-Afghan-CAsia) and eastern (India) neighbors/civilization, the choice would be obvious with the western neighbors. This is because we as Pakistanis have more in common with them – including religion, history, race, culture, etc. As far as the record of preserving the native cultures go, none have a good record including India, constitutions/etc dont mean much, it is the action that counts not promises of deception. However, the better choice will always be our own selves with our distinct Indus Valley identity/heritage.
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This is a common mistake many of the aboriginals of pakistan make. The majority of pakistanis are descended from aryans who actually destroyed the dravidian indus valley settlements. To say this is a parcel of pakistani heritage is tantamount to a turk claiming byzantine history.
Pakistanis are more culturally and ethnically related to middle easterns, not some dark skinned vegetarian indians. Even the dark skinned pakistanis are usually mohajirs or probably descended from some slave girl that was captured in 'india' or something.
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Pakistanis are descended from a blend of Harappans, Aryans, Scythians, Hephthalites, Arabs, Turks, and many others.
First of all, there is no proof whatsoever to suggest that Harappans were Dravidians. Their linguistic identity would not be known until the Indus script is deciphered.
Harappan body remains discovered indicates that they were a multi-racial people based on genetic and skeletal analysis.
And let us assume that Harappans were linguistically Dravidians, that still does not mean any thing since they were absorbed among the newcomers, and they still form a part of Pakistani ancestory.
It is also theorized that Elamites were Dravidians in southwestern Iran who were absorbed among the newcomers, so Iranians also claim their partial heriatge from Elamites.
Most of today’s Turks from modern Turkey (Anatolia) are actually “Turkicized” Anatolians.
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Thanks bhaijaan..
Pakistan are overall whiter(more caucasian) and taller than their Indian counterparts.. It is safer to assume that the creation of Pakistan was more or less a foregone conclusion as we would have two nations which are radically different from each other racially (India and Pakistan in United India). It aint a matter of pride.. just facts.. My american friend, Lisa who almost always dates Pakistani men had this opinion when I was talking to one Indian fellow in Punjabi, “Do you guys speak the same language?” I said “Yes”. She said, “Is it the language of the natives(Indian) or european mix(us)?”.. I could not stop laughing… Indians are amazed when they see us, expecting us to be their blood brothers.
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Dude, youre in complete denial. I can post hundres of links from those pashtun forums where they are insulting other pakistanis because they are fair skinned, even though in reality they arent. Also, we have gahez pashutn, sher shah soori type pashtun racist bigots etc here on GS who bring that 'racial superiority based on skin color' quite often. I dont give a crap about how fair skinned they are but you have some nerves coming here denying they post idiotic non-sense like that. Again, if you think a punjabi looks like an Indian, then so does a pashtun as much light skinned you may claim you are. (which in most cases isnt even true). Plus, like I said before, we are different from indians BECAUSE we are from Pakistan, not India, and that is reason enough to prove we are DIFFERENT.
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OK, OK, if it would make you happy, let me declare, WE, Pashtuns, and none else, look like Hindustanis...Khush..Kissa Khatam...Paisa Hazam...I have Punjabi ladies married into my family...and I've found them lovable and respectable...I mean, no ill-feelings for Punjabis...
The %ge of Pashtuns having said that is still very low...What they've said is very bad...
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Pakistanis are descended from a blend of Harappans, Aryans, Scythians, Hephthalites, Arabs, Turks, and many others.
First of all, there is no proof whatsoever to suggest that Harappans were Dravidians. Their linguistic identity would not be known until the Indus script is deciphered.
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It can be, and has been, safely assumed that the dravidians were displaced from the indus valley settlements by a deluge of invading aryans. Obviously the aryans introduced the horse to india. Paksitanis are an aryan people, not dark skinned dravidians.
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Harappan body remains discovered indicates that they were a multi-racial people based on genetic and skeletal analysis.
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Show me some proof for this.
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And let us assume that Harappans were linguistically Dravidians, that still does not mean any thing since they were absorbed among the newcomers, and they still form a part of Pakistani ancestory.
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Lets partake in a thought experiment.
When europeans were colonizing north america they commited genocide on the native americans.
Spain conquered the aztec people.
Lets suppose that some aztecs migrated to somewhere else while their previous land was occupied by spanish immigrants.
Lets assume that the demographics of the aztec's previous land is this:
99.5% Spanish
0.5% Aztec
Can the spanish people claim aztec history? In the same way, can the aryans of pakistan claim the history of the dark skinned dravidians?
Do the aztecs who migrated away have no claim on their ancient cities?
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It is also theorized that Elamites were Dravidians in southwestern Iran who were absorbed among the newcomers, so Iranians also claim their partial heriatge from Elamites.
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I will attempt to hold back my contempt for iranians while writing this.
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Most of today's Turks from modern Turkey (Anatolia) are actually "Turkicized" Anatolians.
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I will attempt to hold back my contempt for turks while writing this.
I'm sure you will face stiff resistance from both turks and greeks by saying they are the same people. Constantinople was a hellenic city that was conquered by turks, a nomadic group from central asia. No serious historian would agree with a turk if they tried to claim byzantine history as their own.
There is nothing to be proud of in pakistani/indian history until muslims come and civilize them.
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1. The introduction of an indo-european language inplace of the native language in the indus valley.
2. Indus valley seals show no depiction of horses or cows. There are no fossils of horses. Aryan literature describes them in abundance and great detail.
3. The 'aryans' of south asia speak an indo-european language while the dravidians speak something else.
4. Indus valley civilization contains no horse fossil. The aryans were a nomadic group that relied on horses and cattle. Therefore, they are two different peoples.
It can be, and has been, safely assumed that the dravidians were displaced from the indus valley settlements by a deluge of invading aryans. Obviously the aryans introduced the horse to india. Paksitanis are an aryan people, not dark skinned dravidians.
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So? When did I claim that Harappans were Aryans? Harappans were a distinct people from Aryans. And like I said before the linguistic identity of Harappans is unknown because the Indus script remains undeciphered. How do you know that Harappan language was not Indo-European when no one yet is able to read the Indus script? There are all kinds of theories on Harappan linguistic identity such as being Dravidian, Indo-European, Altaic, Semitic, and even an isolate like Sumerian. By the way, Aryans were not the only Indo-Europeans.
And if we "assume" that Harappans were Dravidian, even then they form a partial heritage of Pakistanis. This is because the genetic studies have concluded that the multi-racial Harappans' closest descendents are present-day Pakistanis. This is because of the fact that Harappans were not displaced by any invasion and instead were absorbed among the new invaders/migrants... racially getting mixed with the newcomers and adopting much of the newer languages/cultures. By the way, not to be confused with the Dravidoid/Sudroid/Australoid race, speaking a Dravidian langauge does not equate to being dark skinned and the Dravidian-speaking Brauhis are proof of this since they resemble the looks of lighter skinned Baluchs/etc.
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Show me some proof for this.
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It is a known fact that Harappans were multi-racial. I can quote many archeologists and anthropologists who have proved that based on genetic and skeletal analysis. According to the renowned historian, Romila Thapar, "Anthropological investigation and examination of the human remains shows that four racial types existed in Harappan civilization. They were the proto-Australoid, Mediterranean, Alpine and the Mongoloid." This can be further confirmed in the findings published in American Journal of Physical Anthropology under "The Bronze-Age Harappans: A re-examination of the skulls".
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Lets partake in a thought experiment.
When europeans were colonizing north america they commited genocide on the native americans.
Spain conquered the aztec people.
Lets suppose that some aztecs migrated to somewhere else while their previous land was occupied by spanish immigrants.
Lets assume that the demographics of the aztec's previous land is this:
99.5% Spanish
0.5% Aztec
Can the spanish people claim aztec history? In the same way, can the aryans of pakistan claim the history of the dark skinned dravidians?
Do the aztecs who migrated away have no claim on their ancient cities?
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Very poor analogy. First of all, Aztecs of Mexico were never displaced, the Aztec masses were absorbed among the Spaniards. Thats why today's Mexican population is 60% Mestizo (racial mix of Spaniards and native Amerindians/Aztecs/etc.), 30% native Amerindians/Aztecs/etc., and 9% Spaniard Caucasians. The few thousand invading/migrating Spaniards were able to "Latinize" the millions of Mexican natives/aboriginals. The present-day Mexicans have every right to claim Aztec AND Spaniard history. Similarly, Pakistanis have every right to claim Harappan and Aryan history (and other histories).
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I will attempt to hold back my contempt for iranians while writing this.
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The claim of Harappans being Dravidian is also a theory! Iranians are not pure Aryans and nobody else is either! Present-day Iran itself is only 63% Aryan with the rest being Turkic and others. Then Iranians have been mixed with Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Mongols, etc. through their history (not just the Elamites) ... does this mean they are not Aryan?
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I will attempt to hold back my contempt for turks while writing this.
I'm sure you will face stiff resistance from both turks and greeks by saying they are the same people. Constantinople was a hellenic city that was conquered by turks, a nomadic group from central asia. No serious historian would agree with a turk if they tried to claim byzantine history as their own.
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Actually more and more Turks and Greeks are realizing that they share a whole lot of heritage. If a few thousand Central Asian Turks invaded Anatolia, do you seriously believe that the millions of native Anatolians just vanished into some blackhole or were massacred at such a large scale? Of course they were "Turkicized"... everyone knows that!
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Before we being I would like to mention that it is commonly agreed(except in hindutva india) that the aryans invaded the indus valley civilization and displaced the dravidians amongst academics. Do you agree that this is the accepted history?
I would be interested in learning more about the decline of the indus valley civilizations, the migration/desertion of its inhabitiants, and the presence of a new 'civilization', the Cemetery H culture. Surprisingly they cremate their dead in the same fashion as hindus do today, while the indus valley inhabitants buried their dead in coffins. Also the links between vedic 'india' and zoroastrian iran which didn't exist during the times of the indus valley civilization.
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And if we "assume" that Harappans were Dravidian, even then they form a partial heritage of Pakistanis. This is because the genetic studies have concluded that the multi-racial Harappans' closest descendents are present-day Pakistanis.
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Show me proof for this.
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This is because of the fact that Harappans were not displaced by any invasion and instead were absorbed among the new invaders/migrants... racially getting mixed with the newcomers and adopting much of the newer languages/cultures.
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By the time the aryans arrived in 'india' the indus valley civilization was already in dissaray. The course of the river saraswati had changed direction and their is archeological evidence of people beginning to migrate/desert in easternly and southernly directions towards the gangetic plains. Whether this was caused by simply the river drying up or people being displaced by the invading aryans is upto debate.
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By the way, not to be confused with the Dravidoid/Sudroid/Australoid race, speaking a Dravidian langauge does not equate to being dark skinned and the Dravidian-speaking Brauhis are proof of this since they resemble the looks of lighter skinned Baluchs/etc.
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Have you ever seen a brahui? They're almost as dark as africans or indians.
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It is a known fact that Harappans were multi-racial. I can quote many archeologists and anthropologists who have proved that based on genetic and skeletal analysis. According to the renowned historian, Romila Thapar, "Anthropological investigation and examination of the human remains shows that four racial types existed in Harappan civilization. They were the proto-Australoid, Mediterranean, Alpine and the Mongoloid." This can be further confirmed in the findings published in American Journal of Physical Anthropology under "The Bronze-Age Harappans: A re-examination of the skulls".
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Why not mention who wrote this(a hindu from india) and how many skulls he analyzed(72) before he generalized about the entire indus valley civilization?
I'm surprised you quote romila thapar as a source for your argument.
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Very poor analogy. First of all, Aztecs of Mexico were never displaced, the Aztec masses were absorbed among the Spaniards. Thats why today's Mexican population is 60% Mestizo (racial mix of Spaniards and native Amerindians/Aztecs/etc.), 30% native Amerindians/Aztecs/etc., and 9% Spaniard Caucasians. The few thousand invading/migrating Spaniards were able to "Latinize" the millions of Mexican natives/aboriginals. The present-day Mexicans have every right to claim Aztec AND Spaniard history. Similarly, Pakistanis have every right to claim Harappan and Aryan history (and other histories).
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It was a thought experiment. Answer the questions.
As for this reponse, its equally as ridiculous as indians claiming british history as there exists a few anglo-indians amongst them.
Present day pakistanis have nothing to do with the indus valley civilization. There was nothing to be proud of until muslims came and civilized them.
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The claim of Harappans being Dravidian is also a theory! Iranians are not pure Aryans and nobody else is either! Present-day Iran itself is only 63% Aryan with the rest being Turkic and others. Then Iranians have been mixed with Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Mongols, etc. through their history (not just the Elamites) ... does this mean they are not Aryan?
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Obviously the people of iran whos ethnicity is arab, azeri etc are not 'aryans'. Why you went on this tangent is unclear.
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Actually more and more Turks and Greeks are realizing that they share a whole lot of heritage. If a few thousand Central Asian Turks invaded Anatolia, do you seriously believe that the millions of native Anatolians just vanished into some blackhole or were massacred at such a large scale? Of course they were "Turkicized"... everyone knows that!
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A few thousand turks did not conquer the eastern roman empire.
For me to agree with you because apparently "more and more Turks and Greeks are realizing that they share a whole lot of heritage" I would have to be partaking in the mental gymnastics olympic competitions.
To say turks and greeks are the same people, and then go on to say that turks and greeks agree to this, is too much.
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^ :D This Pakistan4Never and Abduallah bin wahabi talk like diplomats with lot of time in their hands.. looks like they must be baby-sitting some kids all day while thinking, scratching their heads and typing on their laptops :D