Why Do Pakistanis Reject their Indian heritage?

India is the most spiritual country in the world with an ancient civilisation. Pakistanis were Indians 60 years ago. Why do Pakistanis shun their Indian heritage. Why does history in Pakistan begin when the first Hindu was converted to Islam?

Why Do We Reject Our Past?
Abdullah Rehman
May 1, 2006

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00006593&channel=civic%20center

I have been living in the UK since the age of 11. In this time I often visit Pakistan or receive relatives who remain there. I am struck by the general denial of any common history with the rest of the Indian subcontinent. It has been mentioned that school textbooks claim that Pakistan was a Dark Place until the Light of Islam; that people were oppressed by the rigid caste system and exploited by the Hindu Brahmins. We make heroes out of real villains like Ghauri and Aurangzeb. My nine year old cousin, from Pakistan, told me that Aurangzeb was the greatest of all Mughal emperors because he remained steadfast to the cause of Islam. Never mind that he was a ruthless bigot who defaced other religions and forcefully converted thousands. He also said Akbar was weak and a traitor to Islam. Never mind that he was one of the most tolerant and enlightened rulers the world has every known.

On the other hand the Arabs are given primacy in the Pakistani identity. Our real history seems to begin with the Arab incursions that liberated us from darkness. It is not only us Pakistanis. The Persians and central Asians all seem to gather around this view.

I, for one, am not buying this distortion of history. In truth Ancient India was achieving greatness in innumerable fields while the Arabs essentially lived as primate tribes. I thought for the longest time that the Arabs had invented mathematics: the Arabic numerals, Algebra etc. We are fed that throughout childhood. Historical record shows that it was in fact the Indic civilizations that produced almost all of the mathematics attributed to the Arabs. In fact many brilliant ideas of subcontinental mathematicians were rejected by the Arabs and later Europeans as heresy: irrational and negative numbers for example. The idea of Infinity was debated for 300 years in the Arab world after it was introduced to them by the Indians. It was thought, apparently, that only Allah could be infinite, and man should not attempt to equal him.

In the territory that is now Pakistan, great Sanskrit scholars like Panini wrote treatises on logic and grammar that have been the foundation for modern day computing. In the territory that is now Pakistan the ancient Indus Valley civilization flourished with a level of egalitarianism unseen in the ancient and perhaps modern world. In the territory that is now Afghanistan/Pakistan the peaceful overtures of Asoka the Great conquered the war-like Greeks. I demand the ability to claim these achievements as part of my past.

In the territory that is now India the great Moghul Akbar proclaimed tolerance for all religions. In the territory that is now India Shah Jehan built the great Taj Mahal. In the territory that is now India the great Siddharth Gautam proclaimed his message of peace. I demand the ability to claim these achievements as well.

There is no doubt that Mohammed’s (PBUH) message of peace and brotherhood transformed the lives of many. However this is just one of the countless religions, scientific, social and revolutionary ideas that have permeated the history of the great subcontinent. I wish to claim the egalitarianism of Islam, the peace of Buddhism, the non-violence of Jainism, the strength of Sikhism and the tolerance of Hinduism as part of my religious heritage. I want the mathematical, scientific and philosophical brilliance of MY ancestors to be part of MY heritage. I do believe that Pakistan was necessary, due to fear of minority exploitation. However the governments, both military and civilian, have transformed the good idea of Pakistan into a monstrous distortion of our national identity. Ultimately I agree with the notion that I was a member of Indic-civilization for 5000 years, Muslim for around 1000 and Pakistani for 60. I wish our leaders would give us the chance to appreciate and accept all of these great periods as our national identity.

We have sacrificed so much of our civilisational greatness to India due to the pathetic notion that we must be their polar opposite. Indians can proudly proclaim these triumphs while we are left solely with the concept of Islam. Indians also proudly proclaim the achievements of their Islamic heritage such as the Taj. The plain truth is that we have much more in common with the rest of the subcontinent than we have with the Arab/Muslim world. Personally I don’t care about the relations between the governments of India and Pakistan, both of which have been rather unimpressive over the years. All I want is for Pakistani school-children to be provided with a national identity that displays all the greatness of our past, not just one small part of it. Is this too much to ask?

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why do Indians care?

we wished to distance ourselves from the Indian identity enough to create a seperate state for ourselves. you guys need to get over it.

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^ yep well said, if we wanted all that to be stuck to us why did we even bother to set up a different country in an effort to preserve "our own identity"....

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I personally don't consider myself Pakistani for the simple reason that I am not religious,I don't want be defined by Islam....and ideology of Pakistan is based on Islam as much as it is on hate for Hindus (wheter for right reasons or wrong I don't know).But frankly even for those who are practicing muslims in this country ideology of Pakistan has failed if the purpose of it was to give them a homeland where they will feel morer secure.First,it failed when Pakistan army commited one of the biggest genocides ever taken place against any group of muslims when it killed 1 million bengalis in East Pakistan and Bengladesh was created,and then numerous episodes of violence amongst muslims living within Pakistan have once again proved that muslims in Pakistan are not in anyway more secure than the muslims in India.

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Pakistanis don't reject their Hindu past but they feel indifferent to it (like a Sikh on here said just because somebody's parents are doctors does not make the child a doctor by default), we accept that the majoirty of our country was once Hindus (just as Arabs were once pagans) and we accept that the vast majoirty of Pakistanis are culturally Indic/South Asian not Arab/West Asian and when it comes to secular cultural habits Pakistanis are just as Desi as Indians but Pakistanis have foreign Muslims as national heroes because for us Muslims nationalism is based on religion instead of racism, ethnicism or tribalism (these things are tolerated but considered personal and equal) and you have to accept that culture is a changing thing and we can't be stuck in the past forever, South Asian society has been enhanced by Muslim contributions and had it not been for foreign Muslim influences Indian culture wouldn't be half as glamorous as it is.

I do agree with one thing though less Pakis need to claim false foreign descent (because it doesn;t make them better) and just be content (not proud or ashamed) with being Paki which is Desi/Indic/South Asian, fair enough our religion is not Hinduism anymore but the country's culture is still Indic, no point in denying our lands heritage, no need to be haughty and proud about it but accept it for what it is and accept that we made an improvement on the religious side by accepting Islam.

Indians need to make a distinction between Hindu (religion) and Indic (ethnicity/culture/language/secular heritage), the former is something Paki people have left for something better and they accept our ancestors followed it but we're not retrogressive and stuck in the past with what our ancestors were millions of years ago and the latter is still the same but obviosuly as with all things it has evolved.

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Very much true that india and pakistan are different, in every way. If historically if something was in comman, it has no value now. If anything is comman, then i think it is animosity.

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The fact that most of the Pakistanis originated from India cant be denied. They converted to Islam, that doesnt change their history. Their origin is India. They are indians.
At the same time, NOT ALL THE PAKISTANIS originated from India. I am a pashtoon n i originated from Afghanistan. Now I am a Pakistani but let us not be ashamed or shy of our own history.
WE CANT CHANGE WAT WE ARE.

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Firsly, Mr. Abdullah Rehman must be congratulated for writing such a frank and in-your-face article. Only Ayaz Amir or Irfan Hussein can match him in actually abusing Ghauri, Ghazni and Aurangzeb---regarded as heroes by most Pakistanis.


Good. I'm pleasantly surprised these words come from you.

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South Asian society has been enhanced by Muslim contributions and had it not been for foreign Muslim influences Indian culture wouldn't be half as glamorous as it is.
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No. Thats your misconception. Urdu language, Salwar Kameez and other habits are but a small subset of Indian culture. Just because the Mughals ruled North and central India for many centuries it doesnt mean Indian culture= 80% Mughlai and the rest Hindu. Its rather the other way round.
Remember : only the dome and minarets of the Taj Mahal are Islamic, the rest of the architecture is Rajputana. Same goes for Hindustani classical music (90% Hindu) and Karnatak music and most dance forms of India. Even the Kathak focusses on stories of Lord Krishna though it originated in Mughlai courts.

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accept that we made an improvement on the religious side by accepting Islam.
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Now thats a statement quite silly. What if I say, we made an improvement by rejecting Islam ?

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once again, the partial rejection of such "superior" and "spiritual" culture is organic, from the founding fathers to the average Pakistani today, very few people feel any significant longing to remenisce about Ashoka and think about the roots of Karnatak dance.

If you say shalwar qamiz and urdu etc are subsets of Indian culture, that is the subset of interest to us, specifically that has some Muslim tag to it, either in origin, or in a higher degree of adoption. The broader Indian culture is now alien to us, and has been actively rejected by us. Nothing is stopping Abdul Rehman from learning more about Indian culture on his own.

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If most Pakistanis on this forums want to disawow anda forget the great history of their country and its acheivements because it is pre-islamic then its is their loss. Basically your are accepting Arab identity as your own. I really don't care. Most Indians are still attached to their long and illustrious history altho some of it (actually a lot of it) may have taken place in what is now Pakistan. Your ignorance is your choice.

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True, us Pashtuns (8%) and Balochis (2%) only make up about 10% of Pakistan's population (even though we have the most land) whilst the other 90% (Punjabis, Urdus, Sindhis) are basically Indic and very similar to North Indians (northwest Indians in particular) in terms of race, culture and ethnicity, the only thing they don't have in common is religion, they can deny them by claiming foreign Muslim descent but nobody will buy it because I honeestly can't tell the difference between someone from Indic side of Pakistan and someone from Haryana, Punjab or other neighbouring states in India (many a time I've greeted jatts and khatris with salam mistaking them for muslims), a lot of the time even Punjabis and Gujaratis can look alike (maybe Gujaratis are a little skinnier and prettier but that's the only difference).

Baring religion Pakistan's culture is Indic like the dominant cultures in other South Asian countries, with time the non-Indic peoples of Pakistan will get assimilated into the dominant (Punjabi culture but Urdiu Language) Indic culture of Pakistan.

Nobody can deny that North Indians and Pakis have the same (or similar) languages, same cuisine, dress the same, listen to the same music, watch the same movies and the list goes on. Pakistan has nothing except religion common with Arab countries and very very few similarities (except religion) with neighbouring Central Asian countries Afghanistan and Iran and many many similarities with India.

Urdu language might have evolved with foreign influences but it is essentially an Indic language, Salwar Kameez is Afghan in origin but it is Indicized, Paki architecture is not purely Iranic/Arab but rather it incorprates local Indic styles.

Most Pakis have accepted the reality but Hindus are not content and think they are denying their heritage because for Indians Desi culture and Hinduism are intervoven whilst for us we can can reject Hinduism whilst maintaining Desi/Indic/South Asian culture as part of our idenitity and we accept Hinduism and the religion of the Indus Valley b4 Vedic Aryans arrived and converted the locals and intermingled wiv em as part of our history.

At the end of the day Pak is part of the South Asian Subcontinent and always will be.

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without this identity crisis induced rejection of all things indian/hindu and desperate attempts at arabization/persianization by our western neighbor, it would have been more difficult for indians to stake a claim to every remotely admirable aspect of subcontinental history at any era and regardless of religious connotations.

as a result, everything remotely positive about subcontinental culture and history falls under the "India" umbrella and is known the world over as "Indian".

i sympathize with the author in the sense that no characters or accomplishments of note fall under the "Pakistani" umbrella. But if pakistanis want so badly to reinforce some sense of unique individual identity and freely choose to reject these things, then so be it.

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The problem with Hindus is that they cannot accpet that locals can accept a religion of foreigners. Hence the rioting and killing of muslims and to a lesser extent against christians.

There is hardly anyone here among Pakistanis who claims an Arab identity. Rather if u search this forum many are against arabs. It is the inferiority complex of hindus that they think accepting another religion is betraying indian culture.

I am a Punjabi and in UK i have met Sikhs and Hindus of India, who beong to same tribe/zaat as i am. But if we look 50 years back, the same people massacred muslims in 47, how can then, we identify ourselves with them. We are distinct from hindus and from arabs. We have our own identity.

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you are telling as if you guys have no problem when one of yours accepts other faiths. If we go by this track record, hindus have sacrificed a lot.

dont say same people massacred muslims in 47, say "same people fought with each other"....as if you were the only losers. If it was, then Mahatma Gandhi wouldn't have made this statement "A muslim is a bully and a hindu is a coward".

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Yes it was muslims who were the victims. There was very little rioting/looting in Pakistani area of hindu. And muslims did not kidnap the hindu or sikh women like u did.

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sometimes i feel like smacking your behinds kids.

-desikooldude :nono :

Bite me if you want!

I am a Muslim Pakistani American. Thats my identity and you seem to have issues with that - you may all shove your toe up your behind. If my ancestors didnt fight for the country i can assure you- we all would be fighting for seperate land today.

I do not hate indians! I have few indians friends love hanging out with them etc- But there is a lot of hatred involved among our elders even today.

If there was no Pakistan - I doubt it if Muslims of subcontinent would be alive today. I agree both countries have alot in common. They both can stand together but they cannot live togther due to conflict of religion.

If both work together we could be a super power but at the end of the day we both must go to our own homes....

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even i don't hate pakistan..or any other country for that matter. Besides, muslims are in quite sizable numbers, dont say they would be alive or not by now. and as far as indian muslims are concerned, i am always with them.

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yeah, that is exactly what hindu and sikh punjabis say about the muslims.

every unbiased and independent reporting of partition violence blames each religious community equally in the violence and brutality. very similar statistics on death tolls for each community and killings:migrant ratio are proof.

just because your grandmother tells you something doesn’t make it true…all those hindu punjabis and sikhs have grandmothers telling them the identical stories.

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If I wasn't on my self-imposed excile I would correct alot of the mistakes people have made here. Unfortunately I can't until faruk apologizes to me.

Faruk go read the general forum.

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No one's denying Indian origin but the atrocities committed by Hindoos and Sikhs during partition can't be forgiven/forgotten.. plus hijacking of the Harappa/Mohanjodero civilzation by Indians.. guys, there are a lot of things.. Yeah, we cant be linked to bekar, zaalim arabs or jaahil #1s Afghans too.