Re: Why Do Pakistanis Reject their Indian heritage?
and if you look at the same table you’ll see north and south india were not more one country than india and pak:D…
btw same goes for south and north france;)…
but language has the power to unite countries…and that’s what hindi/urdu is doing…wether you like it or not:wink:… so no need to denying 7 centuries under common rules is IMPORTANT…
and stop saying it was “india”…it’s a recent invention…it was mughal empire, or Hindustan…not india
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Your contradictions not withstanding, nor the fact that a majority of pakistanis gained independence from a minority, India and pakistan are two completely different countries and have nothing in common, barring common animosity.
Pakistan has been emasculated, is in the midst of a theocratic revolution, has not been capable of self rule, is a haven for global terrorism, and is a wrecked economy. Even it's most staunch allies think it will collapse. It has an economy based on foreign aid. Pakistan and India have nothing in common.
Why is common anything being discussed? As the previous comentator said, Pakistan, has more in common with and should compare itself with Sudan, Ethiopia, or Libya.
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People of South and North France are the same people because they are ethnically French. On the other hand the ethnic groups of Pakistan are totally different from India’s ethnic groups (except for a small minority). The imposed Urdu/Hindi language will never be able to unite as there is growing anti-Urdu/Hindi resentment for the cultural genocides carried by the Urdu/Hindi-speaking people. Seven centuries of mostly FOREIGN common rule does not mean much. I mean the Syrians and Spaniards share the common rule under the Romans, but that does not mean they are the same people or should be united!
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Putter, how surprising! Why do you have to say these things despite being a Pakistani.. we have an economy which is growing rapidly at a rate of 8.4% only behind China. We are attracting foreign investment like never before and gwadar is becoming new economic destination is S. Asia. Yes, we have nothing in common with India- racially and ethnically we are superior 
and that could be the reason why the west prefers us!
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…there is nothing as “french” ethnicity:D…cause it is a social identity and a language and a passport name…“french"people are a mix of different regions…very different
north french are mixed with more germanic people with lighter skin, hair and eyes…their mother tongues and regional languages evolved with mixed influences from german and dutch…the original tongue was called 'langue d’oil”
south french people are darker skinned, have brown to black hair and far more brown eyes their mother tongues are highly influenced by spanish and italian…their tongue was called “langue d’oc”
as paris is in the north standard french is based on “langue d’oil” rather than the southern dialect:halo:but some people still fight for it over there:D
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You can live in your own fantasy.. but the fact is Pakistan is a major ally to the West in the war againt terrorism. It is in the West's interest to have a stable Pakistan because of its strategic location and historic friendship/alliance. The fact is Pakistan's economy (one of the fastest growing in the world) has improved significantly in recent times, raising the GDP and decreasing the debt.
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JHOOOT!!!
for westerners pakistani are an obscure islamist state ruled by a general against common maullah opinion, and who helped Bush to make common american believe Bin laden was tracked by friendly paki army:D
but westerners think pakistan is a dangerous terrorist country and it is black listed in foreign offices…and travellers are advised not to go to pakistan except for urgent business needs:)
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LOL.. grow up kid.. the identity of “French” is an ethnic group based on a common language, culture, history, race, etc. Dialects of French language or different shades/variations of Caucasoid race dont mean much. That is not the case between the overwhelming majority of India and Pakistan.
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are you more french than me??
i’m 25 and i have lived most of my life in the country of my ancestors…france:D come to france…and try to see by yourself the diff btw paris and marseilles;)…
french was imposed by force : kids were beaten in schools if they spoke regional languages:naraz:: basque, breton, catalan, alsacien…these languages are disctinct from french…and share as diverse origins as aryan/iranian/dravidian languages
if varaitaion in caucasoid people are not relevant, then the different shades of skin color btw north india and pak (caucasoid people) don’t mean much either:wink: …
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thanks to a flow of US funds who increased the inflation making poor people lives more difficult by raising the cost of basic goods....but increasing the wealth of a middle class who is growing....and of the upper class who is the big winner of the globalisation of trade
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LOL.. Right you are French who is extremely pro-India and obsessed with Pakistan.. 
There are no regional languages in France except for French with varying dialects. The fact is French share a common language, culture, history, race, etc. This can be compared to a Pakhtun from Peshawar to a Pashtun from Quetta, meaning both have different dialects but still speak the same Pashto language with a common history, race, culture, etc.
**Differences between Pakistanis and Indians **
**Language/linguistics: **
**About 99% of languages spoken in Pakistan are Indo-Iranian (sub-branches: 75% Indo-Aryan and 24% Iranian), a branch of Indo-European family of languages. All languages of Pakistan are written in the Perso-Arabic script, with significant vocabulary derived from Arabic and Persian. Punjabi, Seraiki, Sindhi, Pashto, Urdu, Balochi, Kashmiri, etc. are the languages spoken in Pakistan. **
**About 69% of languages spoken in India are Indo-Iranian (sub-branch: Indo-Aryan), 26% are Dravidian, and 5% are Sino-Tibetan and Austro-Asiatic, all unrelated/distinct family of languages. Most languages in India are written in Brahmi- derived scripts such as Devangari, Gurmukhi, Tamil, etc. Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Assamese, Punjabi, Naga, and many others are the mother-tongue languages spoken in each of India’s states. **
**As you can see both countries have distinct linguistic identities. Even in the case of Punjabi, while it is the mother-tongue of a majority in Pakistan, it represents the mother-tongue of only 2% Indians. Besides, Pakistani Punjabi (Western Punjabi) is distinct in its vocabulary/dialect and writing script when compared to Indian Punjabi (Eastern Punjabi). Another thing to keep in mind is that Indian Punjabi is mostly spoken by Sikhs who consider themselves distinct from the rest of Indians and had been fighting for independence. In the case of Urdu/Hindi, while Hindi is the mother- tongue of a majority in India, Urdu is the mother-tongue of only 8% Pakistanis. Besides, they both are distinct languages, Urdu has a writing script and strong vocabulary derived from Arabic and Persian, whereas Hindi has strong vocabulary derived from Sanskrit and is written in Devangari script. Most Pakistanis can understand English and watch American/Brit movies but that does not make them British/American, same is the case with Hindi. **
**Race/genetics: **
**About 70% of Pakistanis are Caucasoid by race, 20% Australoid- Negroid, and 10% Mongoloid in their overall genetic composition. Majority of Pakistanis are tall with fair skin complexion, similar to Middle Eastern and Mediterranean peoples. While the racial features of each ethnic group are not uniform, Pashtuns are the most Caucasoid, followed by Kashmiris, Baluchis, north Punjabis, and then Sindhis, Seraikis, Urdu-speakers, etc. The Australoid-Negroid and Mongoloid racial elements are quite infused within the dominant Caucasoid genes among Pakistanis, however there are some that have retained their distinct racial characteristics. **
**About 50% of Indians are Australoid-Negroid by race, 35% Caucasoid, and 15% Mongoloid in their overall genetic composition. Majority of Indians are darker in their skin complexion, with wider noses, shorter heights, etc. The Australoid-Dravidoid racial element dominates among the lower caste Indians, South Indians, Eastern and Central Indians, etc. The Caucasoid racial element dominates in Northwest Indians and higher caste Indians. The Mongoloid racial element dominates in Northeast Indians and border regions with China. **
**Obviously, both countries have distinct racial identities. A common international perception based on observance of physical features is that most Pakistanis are lighter skinned than most Indians. Most Pakistanis resemble the looks of peoples inhabiting on its western borders and beyond. Indeed, many Pakistanis also resemble many Northwest Indians or higher caste Indians, but those are a minority in India. Similarly, a few people of Pakistan resemble peoples of South India, lower caste Indians, Northeast India, etc. but they are a minority in Pakistan. And besides, let’s say, if some Saudis look similar to the French that does not make them one people, same applies here between Indians and Pakistanis. **
**Culture/Traditions: **
**Pakistanis have a distinct culture, traditions and customs. Shalwar kamiz is the dress commonly worn, both by men and women in Pakistan. Pakistani food is rich in meat (including beef), whereas wheat is the main staple. Pashto, Punjabi, Balochi, Sindhi, etc. music and dances are distinctly unique with their own melodies, instruments, patterns and styles. Pakistani arts in metal work, tiles, furniture, rugs, designs/paintings, literature, calligraphy, etc. are distinct and diverse. Pakistani architecture is unique with its Islamic styles. The manners and lifestyles are guided by a blend of Islam and local traditions. **
**India’s commonly worn dress is dhoti for men and sari for women. Indian food is mostly vegetarian, with wheat as the main staple in the north and west, and rice is the main staple in south and east. Hindi, Gujarati, Tamil, Bengali, etc. music and dances are distinctly unique. So are Indian arts in the many areas. Indian architecture is unique in its mostly Hindu styles. The manners and lifestyles of most Indians are guided by Hinduism. **
**Pakistanis and Indians definitely have distinct cultures of their own. Some Indian women wear shalwar kamiz, but that was introduced by the ancestors of Pakistanis. Many Pakistani food dishes are absent in Indian cuisine and vice versa, and if some dishes are shared, they were also introduced by the ancestors of Pakistanis (like naan, tikka, kabob, biryani/pulao, etc.). There is barely any Hindu architectural influence in Pakistan (Gandhara is Graeco- Buddhist and Harappan is distinct), but significant influences by the ancestors of Pakistanis can be found in India. The lives of most Pakistanis are shaped by Islam, whereas the lives of most Indians are shaped by Hinduism. **
**History/background: **
**Pakistanis are a blend of their Harappan, Aryan, Persian, Greek, Saka, Parthian, Kushan, White Hun, Arab, Turkic, Afghan, and Mughal heritage. Waves of invaders and migrants settled down in Pakistan through out the centuries, influencing the locals and being absorbed among them. **
**Most Indians are a blend of their heritage of Dravidoid-Australoid hunters and gatherers, and Aryans (in north). Northwest Indians have a heritage from Harappans, Aryans, Sakas, and White Huns. Northeast Indians have a heritage based from Mongoloid hunters and gatherers. Also, Turks, Afghans and Mughals ruled north India for centuries. **
**Pakistan and India have a distinct history and background. The region of Pakistan was never part of India except for 500+ years under the Muslims, and 100 years each under the Mauryans and the British. If any thing, it were the ancestors of Pakistanis who colonized north/northwest India, among them were Harappans, Aryans, Sakas, Kushans, White Huns, Turks, Afghans, and Mughals. **
**Geography: **
**Pakistan is geographically unique, with Indus river and its tributaries as its main water supply. It is bordered by the Hindu Kush and Sulaiman Mountain ranges in the west, Karakoram mountain range in the north, Sutlej river and Thar desert in east, and Arabian Sea in the south. The country in its present form was created by the Pakistanis themselves out of the British Raj, the Indus people themselves who are now mostly Muslims. **
**India is geographically unique, with Ganges river and its tributaries as its water supply in the north, and other river systems in the rest of the country. Himalayas as its northern boundary, Sutlej river and Thar desert as its western border, the jungles of northeast as its eastern border, and Indian Ocean in the south. The mountains in the central-south India are the great divide between Dravidians of the south and Indo-Aryans of the north. The country itself was created by the British, a direct descendent of the remnants of British Raj. **
It is evident that India and Pakistan have their own unique geographical environments. Pakistan is located at the crossroads of South Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East. On the other hand, India is located at the core of South Asia.
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There are no regional languages in France except for French with varying dialects. The fact is French share a common language, culture, history, race, etc. This can be compared to a Pakhtun from Peshawar to a Pashtun from Quetta, meaning both have different dialects but still speak the same Pashto language with a common history, race, culture, etc.
you have no knowledge about france:D breton is a gaelic language spoken in west france and close to those languages spoken in wales, ireland and scotland
catalan is a latin language spoken in france and spain, but disctinct from both french and spanish (castillan)
alscien is a regional language who is a dialect of germanic, spoken in east france, thus totally diffrent from french as french is latin language but german is "germanic" language....
basque is a regional language spoken in southwest france and north west spain, it is not related to any other european language...and is thought to be the oldest language still alive in europe
corse is an italian dialect spoken on french corse island
now tell me there is no language variety in france:D
ok, back to topic: i'm not pro india, and i'm not pro pakistan either, as i'm not from any of these countries, my view is neutral...
i'm feeling it's abusive from indian to claim pakistan history (indus civilisation) as "theirs" and it's also sad fact pakistani don't claim more as their history: maurya empire, rajputana...my point is that pakistan and india are two young countries with a disctinct political and religious identity, but their history share a lot, and it would be fair for both countries to stop claiming sometihng as "indian" or pakistani" because it is anachronic....what belongs to history is not more indian than pakistani....it is either mughal, maurya, rajput, sikh...or whatever...but india is not the whole subcontinent, and pakistani have a past made from other empires and kingdoms than just few invasions whom they proudly claim to be descent (iranians, turks, arabs)
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I for one don't deny my Indian heritage,infact I am with a lot of urdu speaking people from Karachi who don't believe in the 2 nation theory.70% of pakistanis are not fair skinned..just go out on the streets of Karachi and Lahore and look around.I am fair skinned though, but don't brag about it
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parissenoor,
The regional languages of France are a tiny minority. Its like Syria is an Arab country but has a tiny Kurdish minority. When I was referring the French I meant the people of France who are ethnically French (the overwhelming majority) as these ethnic French do have varying dialects of French language and shades of Caucasoid race.
I already proved in my previous post that Pakistanis and Indians are distinct peoples with respect to history, language, race, culture, etc. Sure there is a little commonality between Pakistanis and Indians just like with its other neighbors, but the differences greatly outweighs the commonalities!
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The regional languages of France are a tiny minority. Its like Syria is an Arab country but has a tiny Kurdish minority. When I was referring the French I meant the people of France who are ethnically French (the overwhelming majority) as these ethnic French do have varying dialects of French language and shades of Caucasoid race.
I already proved in my previous post that Pakistanis and Indians are distinct peoples with respect to history, language, race, culture, etc. Sure there is a little commonality between Pakistanis and Indians just like with its other neighbors, but the differences greatly outweighs the commonalities!
Putter, forget about French, your English grammer needs a lot be desired.. it should be "differences greatly outweigh the commonalities" rather than "differences greatly outweighs the commonalities". Plus, people is already plural :D and whenever your sentences begin with "when" clause they have to have comma etc. :D
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I counted Haryana and Dehli.
Maharashtra, Bihar, UP, MP aren’t of the same racial stock as people from Punjab. Stop rolling your eyes when you don’t know anything.
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Thanks for the clarification! However, let’s not include Kashmir because of its disputed status.
I didn’t count the population of Kashmir in my calculations.
Punjabi is mostly spoken in East Punjab of India (different dialect/script from Pakistan’s Punjabi), and Sikhs are a majority in East Punjab. Hindus of Haryana and Himachal Pradesh voted Hindi as their mother-tongue in the 1951 census. Details: http://www.sikhspectrum.com/052004/ahluwalia_ms_3.htm
**Yes but their mother tongue is punjabi isn’t it? No wonder sikhs like to consider themselves the truest punjabis. Also, racially hindu and sikh punjabis are similar although Sikhs might be more jatts while hindus might be some other punjabi caste. **
These Jatts/Rajputs are a small minority in India whereas they are a majority in Pakistan. The differences between Pakistani Jatts/Rajputs and Indian Jatts/Rajputs are what I stated in my previous post. Btw, there are more than 21 million Sindhis in Pakistan.
**That’s what i mean. 50% of pakistanis share a heritage with 10% of Indians but people like to say that all of us are totally alike. 21 sindhis? Are you sure that’s people who are ethnically sindhi or people who live in Sindh? I got those statistics from a Sindh website. 
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I admit my Angrezi is not perfect. By the way, it is spelled as "grammar" not "grammer". I can dissect a lot more of your English "expertise" ;)
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Aryan doesn't mean german. Aryans wereof central asian stock and they are closest to punjabis/persians/pashtuns today.
India save for the north west(punjab/haryana/rajasthan/HP) is a mixture of aryan-dravidians with pure dravidians in the south and pure aryan types in the northwest. Aryan DOES NOT mean blond hair and blue eyes. Good examples of the aryan heritage of India would be people like Hrithik Roshan and Akshay Kumar.
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why you have been there to look aaround??