Why Do Pakistanis Reject their Indian heritage?

[moin.ul.atiq]

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@zxcvb

I think Moin guy is in denial.

Can let me know what your caste or subcaste. Are you a jatt, gujjar, rajput ?

I will show you the same caste/subcaste hindu/sikhs.

I am rajput.. Majority of Rajputs are Muslims. A small minority are Hindus but aren't real Rajputs by the way.. they are dark-skinned.. Rajput is an arabic word and we do we have arabic blood..

[moin.ul.atiq]

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@-Promiscuous Paki-

Pakistanis like a few people from bordering NW India (Punjab etc.) are descended from Vedic Indo-Aryans who gave us our language (as well as being descended from other local races, that’s why we bare some level of resemblance to other Indo-Aryan/Indo-Iranian people). Most other South-Asians including North Indians (other than those from directly bordering NW India) are not descended from the Indo-Aryans, they were local Dravidians who just adopted the language, culture and religion of our (Pakistanis’) ancestors, that’s why they speak Indo-Aryan languages but racially the vast majority of India is Dravidian.

** I repeat again most North Indians might speak Indo-Aryan languages related to Urdu/Hindi/Punjabi but they don’t have any Indo-Aryan blood in them, **thousands of years ago the ancestors of presentday Indians adopted the Aryan language and religion of the ancestors of presentday Pakistanis’.

It is proven by DNA tests that only Pakistanis and a few people from NW India (very small minority) are descended from the Vedic Indo-Aryans, Indo-Aryan genes in Indians are so insignificant they’re negligible, most Indians were local Dravidians so other than NW-Indians the northerners and southerners are racially pretty much the same, some just adopted Indo-Aryan ways including language which is the biggest hallmark of a nation because Indians being identityless culture-theives have always done this, they copy everyone who is powerful whether it be Vedic Aryans, Arabs, Moghuls, Persians, Afghans, Brits and then pass their culture off as their own.

Punjabis might have a bit more Dravidian mixed in them than Pashtuns or Kashmiris but I wouldn’t say they’re completely different, we’re all a mixture of different races but Punjabis, Pahtuns and Kashmiris have big genetic simialrities. Now as for Balochs, well I laugh everytime I see that, except from the Pashtuns fron northern Balochistan, most Balochs are very Dravidianised, like I said adopting a language belonging to a certain linguistic family (Dardic or Iranic) doesn’t change your race.

Race is irreveant today and of course we should rid ourselves of ethno-linguistic/tribo-casteist differences in our country (follow the west in this regard and do away with these things all together) and be united as a Urdu speaking Pakistani nation but be proud of the history of our land because iour land was the cradle of great civilisations and we were the leaders of culture and civilisation in South-Asia, we shouldn’t let fellow South Asian nations steal our culture and heritage, they can be a part of it but they should remember we gave it to them (saaley jis thaali se khaatey hain ussi mein ched kartey hain).

Name change or religion change doesn’t change your heritage, Iran still has it’s Persian heritage intact despite not being called Iran anymore, Greeks are still Greeks despite being Christian and not Pagan anymore.

I can understand your desire to distant yourself from the Indic/Sanskritic identity because Dravidian Indians have adopted it it, I’m sure all Kahsmiris would like to get their own Dardic ‘Jammu-Kashmir’ nation with Kashmiri as the national tongue and affiliate themselves with Central-Asia instead of South-Asia to avoid the Indian-connection and I can understand that but it’s not a perfect world and even in Indian Occupied Kashmir the national language is Urdu (Sanskritic/Indic language) instead of Kashmiri and Urdu this side as well so Kashmiris will get assimilated so may as well just be proud of being Pakistani and if anyone says “they (Indians) look nothing like you yet you speak same lingo, how come?” (I get it all the time), just tell them “I’m Pakistani, we cultured them and they adopted our language thousands of years ago”, nobody wants to hear longwinded demography.

Pakistan Zindabad.
Jai Islaam.

:k: Most of the Pakistanis look wayy different than Indians.. Pakistan are tall, fair-skinned, have green/blue eyes whereas Sikhs and Hindus are short, dark and have dark brown eyes.. My family tells me that when Hindus were living in West Punjab, you can easily distinguish a muslim from a hindu from their skin color and caucuasian look. Most of the Pakistani Punjabis are 6 feet+ tall.. why Sikhs and Hindus short??? Can you explain that?

[moin.ul.atiq]

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@DSPathania

Usse se bhi pehle that Bharatvarsh. Tum bhi usi ke hisse the. Aap 50 saal purani baat kar rahe hain main aapko hazaaron saal pehle ki suna raha hoon.

Tumhaare purkhon ke purkhe kya the..yeh pata lagalo. Ya to voh Hindu the ya phir Budhdh.

I bet you guys, this DSP guy is 5'8 short and stands for Dravidian Short Paindu.. lolz..

[zxcvb]

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Sikh rajputs are identical to Punjabi Rajputs.

Hindu Rajputs come in all shapes and sizes.

All pakistani rajputs have hindu origin.

Now Mr Moin can you care to give you sub caste name: Is it chauhan, parmar, bhatti, janjua.....

If you can, since you so proud of your ligher brown skin and blue eyes, can you please post your pic so that we have some proof.
I will then post pics of your same subcaste name hindu + sikhs and see how you compare.

[chintu_bhopali]

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@zxcvb

Sikh rajputs are identical to Punjabi Rajputs.

Hindu Rajputs come in all shapes and sizes.

All pakistani rajputs have hindu origin.

Now Mr Moin can you care to give you sub caste name: Is it chauhan, parmar, bhatti, janjua.....

If you can, since you so proud of your ligher brown skin and blue eyes, can you please post your pic so that we have some proof. I will then post pics of your same subcaste name hindu + sikhs and see how you compare.

he wont post his pic bro because he know he looks like an ass!!!!.:D

[DSPathania]

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@moin.ul.atiq

I bet you guys, this DSP guy is 5'8 short and stands for Dravidian Short Paindu.. lolz..

So you show a bit of imagination...stayed tuned puttar... your enlightenment will continue.

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You claim that all Pakistanis including you are a mixture of greeks, turks, huns and any other invader who came hurtling down..interesting to know that. Then do a blood sample invetigation.. does it look like multi coloured multi streak signal toothpaste :). Of course white bright streak will be the thickest..taking into cognizance your anthropological research.

[DSPathania]

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@moin.ul.atiq

I am rajput

Doubtful. Name a few Rajput warriors who fought Mughals. Whose descendent are you ?

*.. Majority of Rajputs are Muslims. *

Wrong. Majority of Rajputs are Hindus. Muslim Rajputs are a consequence of conversions during Mughal dynasty. Especially the ones who simply surrendered. India did not become a muslim nation because of continuous resistance from these Rajputs.

A small minority are Hindus but aren't real Rajputs by the way.. they are dark-skinned..

Almost all Rajputs in India are fair complexioned. North, North West to North East. Jaakar dekh lo.

Rajput is an arabic word and we do we have arabic blood..

Phir ghalat. Rajput is a Sanskrit Word ('Raj' means King..'Put' derived from Sanskrit word 'Putra' i.e.son). It also means noble, warrior or prince (raja ka putra..Son of a King).

Height of a person doesn't determine whether he is a Rajput or not. Gurkha warriors or Nepali Rajputs are only 5'2" or 5'3". That's why Indian Army has height relaxation for them. Bravery and guts in the butts are important. Manipuri rajputs in North East India have more or less same physique.

Now don't come with another hypothesis that they came from Arabia..where because of high temperatures people got elongated and cold climate of Himalayas shrunk them of course shrinkage was limited by the height of skeleton inside.!!

[words]

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I think its quite ironic to assume that, the way boundaries have been drawn in 1947, there is an ethnic divide as well. The boundries could have been quite different, would you(those who favor ethnic divide) be fighting for some other ethnic divide then.

Denying the evident relationship of both sides of punjab and sindh can't do any good to even the "Pakistani Identity" that some people try to form from this. The main problem lies in the same thing i.e. "Pakistani Identity", The passion that has been their through media and life isn't really supported by a genuine identity at the level of Pakistan.

I think the valid identities that we have are Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtoon, Balochi and other ethnic identities. But its not necessary that one commits to any one of them, if he don't really feel connected. You have to take care of your own saying on this.

Pakistani Identity, had to occupy all ethnic identities.

[DSPathania]

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@words

I think its quite ironic to assume that, the way boundaries have been drawn in 1947, there is an ethnic divide as well. The boundries could have been quite different, would you(those who favor ethnic divide) be fighting for some other ethnic divide then.

Denying the evident relationship of both sides of punjab and sindh can't do any good to even the "Pakistani Identity" that some people try to form from this. The main problem lies in the same thing i.e. "Pakistani Identity", The passion that has been their through media and life isn't really supported by a genuine identity at the level of Pakistan.

I think the valid identities that we have are Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtoon, Balochi and other ethnic identities. But its not necessary that one commits to any one of them, if he don't really feel connected. You have to take care of your own saying on this.

Pakistani Identity, had to occupy all ethnic identities.

Right you are Sir. Pakistan is multicultural like India. Of course India has more cultural diversity because of the size of the country.
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These are facts which can't be refuted. Few Lahories or Dilliwallas or Madrasis don't define their respective countries.

[roadrunner]

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@ikarhoon

kiddie, you are in denial. you seem to be a punjabi, and if you are, you share the same blood, genetics as north indians. I honestly dont get this, its punajbies(who are gentically most closely related to present day indians) who try to say that they are gegentically different from indians. and now your trying to say that pakistani punajbies are different from indian pujabies?? what bull-crap, pakistani punajbies and indian punjabies are the same. Punajbies share almost the same culture as indians, and are most accpeting to indian cultures then most other ethcnities in pakistanis. for example, it is punajbies who openly accpted bollywood and indian movies and dramas with open arms.

Punjabis do not share the same genetics as North Indians. Punjabis only share the same genetics as Punjabis or broadly speaking NorthWest Indians. Not North East or North Central Indians. It's a huge difference.

[roadrunner]

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@moin.ul.atiq

:k: Most of the Pakistanis look wayy different than Indians.. Pakistan are tall, fair-skinned, have green/blue eyes whereas Sikhs and Hindus are short, dark and have dark brown eyes.. My family tells me that when Hindus were living in West Punjab, you can easily distinguish a muslim from a hindu from their skin color and caucuasian look. Most of the Pakistani Punjabis are 6 feet+ tall.. why Sikhs and Hindus short??? Can you explain that?

You dont know what you’re talking about. Sikhs were originally Pakistani and they look different to most Indians. Pakistani Hindus are generally the lower caste Hindus that got left behind at Partition.

[Promiscuous_Paki]

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Ditto.

The Sikhs/East-Punjabis are of the same flesh and blood as Pakistanis, just religion is different. There is no way to tell a clean-shaved Sikh from a Pakistani.

If East-Punjab became independent Khalsaistan and Jammu-Kashmir was also freed and made into a seperate country, we would no longer have anything in common with India, I know Rajasthan and Sindh share a border but they're different in terms of language and culture.

Even some of the Hindus of Pakistan (and a bit of NW India) are the same as other Pakistanis, this is evident from their phenotype: some what fair skin, high cheekbones, thin noses, tall.... Just look at Karishma Kapoor and Kareena Kapoor whose grandparents migrated from Pakistan to India (they look like typical Pakistani girls).

Most Indians are pure Dravidian even the majoirty of North Indians, I'm part Rajput and I find that the only Indian Rajputs who look like us are those from Punjab, the ones from other parts of India are Dravidian.. The Rajput clans are all of different origins and unrealted, anyone who became a part of the warrior/ruling class in the Hindu religion became Rajput so they're not neccesarily all racially homogneous or related.

[sal35]

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@-Promiscuous Paki-

^ Ditto.

The Sikhs/East-Punjabis are of the same flesh and blood as Pakistanis, just religion is different. There is no way to tell a clean-shaved Sikh from a Pakistani.

If East-Punjab became independent Khalsaistan and Jammu-Kashmir was also freed and made into a seperate country, we would no longer have anything in common with India, I know Rajasthan and Sindh share a border but they're different in terms of language and culture.

Even some of the Hindus of Pakistan (and a bit of NW India) are the same as other Pakistanis, this is evident from their phenotype: some what fair skin, high cheekbones, thin noses, tall.... Just look at Karishma Kapoor and Kareena Kapoor whose grandparents migrated from Pakistan to India (they look like typical Pakistani girls).

Most Indians are pure Dravidian even the majoirty of North Indians, I'm part Rajput and I find that the only Indian Rajputs who look like us are those from Punjab, the ones from other parts of India are Dravidian.. The Rajput clans are all of different origins and unrealted, anyone who became a part of the warrior/ruling class in the Hindu religion became Rajput so they're not neccesarily all racially homogneous or related.

I really feel pity about your knowledge of India and its people. Have you ever visited small Indian villages? Majority of Hindu Brahmins who constitute almost 2% of any Indian village are very fair skinned and have typical Aryan features. I have seen even low caste Hindus from Northern Bihar looking like any other fair skinned Pakistani. There is also a blue eyed Brahmin group in Maharashtra. In my own community I find people with fair skin, green and gray eyes and red hair and typical Aryan look. I find many Pakistanis (hailing from Punjab) with dark skin and dravidian features. How do you explain this?

[DSPathania]

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@sal35

I really feel pity about your knowledge of India and its people. Have you ever visited small Indian villages? Majority of Hindu Brahmins who constitute almost 2% of any Indian village are very fair skinned and have typical Aryan features. I have seen even low caste Hindus from Northern Bihar looking like any other fair skinned Pakistani. There is also a blue eyed Brahmin group in Maharashtra. In my own community I find people with fair skin, green and gray eyes and red hair and typical Aryan look. I find many Pakistanis (hailing from Punjab) with dark skin and dravidian features. How do you explain this?

Dravidian brahmins in South India are are white. So are konkanis and tulus. There is no point in convincing these fellows about their heritage. They are hell bent on creating a new identity for themselves. And there will be not takers for it. (Like Pakistan existed in 3500 BC. But history of world started with Mohammmad Bin Qasim in 7th century..as taught in their history books !!)

[kumar12345]

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i myself live in punjab. the features of the persons especially migrated from west Punjab are fair and tall. the brahmins here and jats too have fair and talll features.. the dravidians have got complexion beacuse of hot and dry climate too

[mercenary2k]

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South Asian Society is the most racist society in the world. Since we are stuck in the middle.

Our mothers would prefer we marry a white christian girl rather than a black muslim woman.

[moin.ul.atiq]

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@sal35

I really feel pity about your knowledge of India and its people. Have you ever visited small Indian villages? Majority of Hindu Brahmins who constitute almost 2% of any Indian village are very fair skinned and have typical Aryan features.** I have seen even low caste Hindus from Northern Bihar looking like any other fair skinned Pakistani. There is also a blue eyed Brahmin group in Maharashtra. In my own community I find people with fair skin, green and gray eyes and red hair and typical Aryan look. I find many Pakistanis (hailing from Punjab) with dark skin and dravidian features**. How do you explain this?

Only a few hundred thousand Indians might be fair and half of them are in Bollywood.. My gora friend was watching a song which had Aishwarya Rai and Hrithik Roshan and he was surprised to see such fair-skinned Aryan looking Indians. But guys, how many Indians actually look like Aishwarya Rai or Hrithik Roshan? Many of them look like Deve Gowda or some kala Shahrukh khan. Westerners know very well who are light-skinned- Indians or Pakistanis. The reason they like Pakistanis more is because they feel closer to Pakistanis racially than 99% majority Dravidian Indians. Mr Sal35, majority of Indians are dravidians including Brahmins, Dalits and Muslims- the reason we avoid marrying Indian muslims including our own migrants is because we don’t want to mix with non-aryan blood. Where did you meet Dark-skinned Pakistani Punjabi? He must be Indian from Lucknow or Bombay posing himself a Pakistani. Bihar is a 100% dravidian state.. I know how people look like in Bihar. Look at Johny Lever in Indian movies- he’s from Bihar

[moin.ul.atiq]

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@mercenary2k

South Asian Society is the most racist society in the world. Since we are stuck in the middle.

Our mothers would prefer we marry a white christian girl rather than a black muslim woman.

Yaar, the point is that Indians are dark and yet claim to be Aryans is really hurting.. Allah inki jamaat ko aqal de.. In Pakistan, we are fair-skinned but we don't tell we are aryans..

[moin.ul.atiq]

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@-Promiscuous Paki-

^
Ditto.

** The Sikhs/East-Punjabis are of the same flesh and blood as Pakistanis**, just religion is different. There is no way to tell a clean-shaved Sikh from a Pakistani.

If East-Punjab became independent Khalsaistan and Jammu-Kashmir was also freed and made into a seperate country, we would no longer have anything in common with India, I know Rajasthan and Sindh share a border but they’re different in terms of language and culture.

Even some of the Hindus of Pakistan (and a bit of NW India) are the same as other Pakistanis, this is evident from their phenotype: some what fair skin, high cheekbones, thin noses, tall… Just look at Karishma Kapoor and Kareena Kapoor whose grandparents migrated from Pakistan to India (they look like typical Pakistani girls).

Most Indians are pure Dravidian even the majoirty of North Indians, I’m part Rajput and I find that the only Indian Rajputs who look like us are those from Punjab, the ones from other parts of India are Dravidian.. The Rajput clans are all of different origins and unrealted, anyone who became a part of the warrior/ruling class in the Hindu religion became Rajput so they’re not neccesarily all racially homogneous or related.

I find the(highlighted part). I can’t emphasize enough that only Pakistani Muslims(mainly Pathan and Punjabis) are fair and light-skinned. I don’t think Sikh and Hindu Punjabis match us in height, light skin, and eye color.. Plus, Sikhs refused to convert during Mughal period..

[kumar12345]

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@moin.ul.atiq

I find the(highlighted part). I can’t emphasize enough that only Pakistani Muslims(mainly Pathan and Punjabis) are fair and light-skinned. I don’t think Sikh and Hindu Punjabis match us in height, light skin, and eye color.. Plus, Sikhs refused to convert during Mughal period..

i live in punjab. people here are tall fair complexend except the so called low castes.yes they refused to convert to islam but prior to that they were one na..sikhs were hindus . eye color 90% is black/brown