Re: Why do Pakistanis consider Mahmud Ghazni, Mohammad Ghauri & Aurangzeb Great Muslims?
Deedawar
Please don't make this thread a Hindu-Muslim issue. I admire Akbar because of his religious tolerance. And he was indeed a great emperor. Nobody can dispute that.
When Indian history books criticise Aurangjeb and Akbar and praise Shivaji and Rana Pratap then I smell a religious hatred. At least you people shouldn't stoop down to their level to show similar hatred.
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as to aurangezeb, he was a ayatola komeini and osama bundled into one. from this board it appears Pak may be setting themselves up for decades of extremism if this religious and immoral lunatic is being taught as a hero.
Are Uma Bharati, Advani, Tagodia, Bal Thakre and VHP less than Osama and Al Qaida? These people are as dirty as Osama. Why do you people hate Lalu who didn't allow a single Hindu-Muslim communal violence during his fifteen year reign. Could a single Hindu fundamentalist go and deliver any inflammatory speech when Lalu was ruling Bihar? Could VHP or Tagodia dare visit Bihar when Lalu was ruling in Bihar? Why do you people mention Osama's name when there are hundreds of Osama in parties like VHP? Why don't you call for banning of Shiv Sena, VHP (and of course Muslim League too)? Before talking of Osama, Aurangjeb and Gajni, talk about Thakre, Tagodia, Advani and Uma and distroy these evils. Then me and the audience here will listen about Aurangjeb and Gajani
When you have such dirty feelings about Ayatollah and Osama, why you don't have such dirty feelings against similar evils in India. A secular minded person like me get enraged when people like you ignore the evils inside India and talk about foreign evils.
I say that Advani and Aurangjeb, Thakre and Gajani, Uma and Osama, Tagodia and Ayatollah are all same. Are you in agreement with me?
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Please don't make this thread a Hindu-Muslim issue. ............... At least you people shouldn't stoop down to their level to show similar hatred.
Thread starter asked a question and answer was given.
It is hindu muslim issue since hindus have a view which for many reason against muslims view.
I have said it before in different context, its beacause of 1000 years of glorious muslim rule or conquer, hindus don't want Pakistani or muslims consider Ghazni-Ghauri etc. as heroes.
What a big deal if Pakistani see someone as heroe?
I suggest you ask question to the thread starter why he starts threads like this and disappears!
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just because you dont like to be proud of punjabi does not mean 1 billion indians
find heroes in distant places. we are not arabs or uzbecks or turks.
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What a cheap attempt typical of hindus.
You must have read some of my other posts and thought you could take advantage of your skewed believes of me.
Shame on you.
I love Punjaabis and their pride.
I also am proud Pakistani Muslim and find it very easy to be associated with ANY patriotic Pakistani-Punjaabi, Sindhi, Balochi or Pushtoon or anyone who loves Pakistan.
Nice try hindu Banya!
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finally i have to make you admit punjabis have thir own identity.
uzbeks nothing to do with biharis or tamils or bengalis. people will laugh at you
when you come talk about uzbeks in bihar or orissa.
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I don’t find anything like this in Deedawar’s posts in this thread. It is sad how you have attempted to defame him. Aa gaey na apni asliyat par 
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Hum, why are you so impressed with Uzbecs? You also sent me a PM asking me to go to Uzbakistan? Whats up dude?
I think Mods must pay attention here to this guys posts
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Come again! What did you make me admit? Nothing.....what soever dude.
I love Pakistani and proud Punjaabis, Sindhis, balochis, pushtoons etc. Which part of it did you not get???
Why talk about Uzbek and whatever when it is not even part of the discussion in this thread.
Will you stop barking like a mad dog?
OK Sing a song for us instead:D
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I think Mods must pay attention here to this guys posts
Long live Pakistan and Punjaabis/Sindhis/balochis/Pakhtoons/Muhajirs and anyone who loves to be Pakistani.
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Thanks Brother. Jealous and evil people will never get anywhere.
Say Pakistan Zindabad!
Re: Why do Pakistanis consider Mahmud Ghazni, Mohammad Ghauri & Aurangzeb Great Musli
I have said it before in different context, its beacause of 1000 years of glorious muslim rule or conquer, hindus don't want Pakistani or muslims consider Ghazni-Ghauri etc. as heroes.
What a big deal if Pakistani see someone as heroe?
I suggest you ask question to the thread starter why he starts threads like this and disappears!
Glorius.. bull crap.
To Sal,
Who here is justifying Uma and thagodia. If uma and thagodia are there, then there are people like abu samad samadani and some thugs in muslim leage, NDF and SIMI and the ovaisi guys in Hyderabad. Arent they thugs as well.
lallu exploited the muslims for vote.. he doesnt care a **** about them. The three worst state in india are ruled by these ultra secular people. They only increased their coffers than do any good to the people.
I dont like BJP and I never have voted for them and will never as well. But I want to know what is to u secular.. minority appeasment. U r only giving stick to the thagodia guys to hit.
Why dont u see it.. they have Huj subsidies in India while there is nothing for somebody to go manasarovar.
What is ur justification for deedawar and company.. that pious muslim should convert the other pagans(hindus) to islam by whatever means. Is that justifiable. May be it was in 1700 years but not anymore. What would have happened if these people are in India.. dont u think these people are no less evil than thagodia is.
Re: Why do Pakistanis consider Mahmud Ghazni, Mohammad Ghauri & Aurangzeb Great Muslims?
article explains core problem
For thousands of years India has been a land fertile, rich and prosperous with an advanced culture and civilisation, far ahead of the bulk of the rest of the world. For ages it has been an object of loot, plunder and occupation by aggressive neighbours from mountainous, arid and poor lands.
It is only natural that in the deep layers of the psyche of the peoples of India should reside serious apprehensions about their security from the direction of the north-west. India’s desire to have jurisdiction of its defensive armed might extend as far west as possible is a logical outcome of such apprehensions.
http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/27/op.htm#2
Re: Why do Pakistanis consider Mahmud Ghazni, Mohammad Ghauri & Aurangzeb Great Muslims?
well may everyone is trying to answer the wrong question so far. it is easy to see and show the gaznis and aurangezebs of the world are just crooks and lunatics that kill their own family.
but the question is not about them but it's about why pakistanis consider them great muslims.
that is even easier to see and show. to many pakistanis, being muslim is the last straw to clutch. unlike their educated bretheren, these fundo pakistanis think their counrty cannot survive without that clutch. so regardless of where the guy is a crook or a hero, as long as they see some aniti-Jewish or anti-Hindu crime in somebody, they automatically elevate that person to a hero state and start wordipping him.
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In short, he was a fanatic Looter, barbarian, and used Jihad as a political excuse to conquer.
Confirms my previous statement…
The above commentary is all false…no wonder it comes from a Islamic fundamentalist publication in Pakistan.
In short they offered the lunatic a bribe…their faith was above all money and wealth.
..And with that he became one of the worst Islamic terrorists of that time, who did not respect the religion of others, and was hell-bent on his aim to conquer using jihad as a political excuse.
But still 83% of Indians are Hindus, so those “flags of Islam” have been long downed in the land called Hindustan.
The exact opposite of that must have happened to him, for being a religious intolerant fanatic and terrorist. Could now be a cockroach in a temple that he looted.
Some links to Shivaji Maharaj :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivaji
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Only an indian or hundu would quote this fake source of ‘knowledge’.
Fact remains thru many authentic sources: MG brought justice to oppressed people and hindus in their hate in general for muslims would never accept it.
MG collected and brought the genius and inteligent people or philosophers into India and added much to the education of people.
Hindus were in his army and fought against some muslims like in Sind area as well. It was not just about the religion, those days muslims generals and rulers did what they thought would be the best for the majority of humankind.
Proof is the end result of greater Hindustan with power, wealth and education with addition of Art, science, music, and overall cultural improvement.
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Fact remains thru many authentic sources: MG brought justice to oppressed people and hindus in their hate in general for muslims would never accept it.
MG collected and brought the genius and inteligent people or philosophers into India and added much to the education of people.
Hindus were in his army and fought against some muslims like in Sind area as well. It was not just about the religion, those days muslims generals and rulers did what they thought would be the best for the majority of humankind.
Proof is the end result of greater Hindustan with power, wealth and education with addition of Art, science, music, and overall cultural improvement.
Just like Bush and Blair doing everything right in Iraq. In the pretext of all this he killed.. and plundered. What did he give to ur hindustan other than war and misery..
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Proof is the end result of greater Hindustan with power, wealth and education with addition of Art, science, music, and overall cultural improvement.
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I would put it as a smaller Hindustan, whose brilliant temples, books, sciences, mathematics, art, culture heritage largely stood lost/destroyed and looted.
Remember that Ghauri, Ghazni, also looted and plundered parts of present day Pakistan also. Ayaz Amir, Irfan Hussain and other journalists from Pakistan have criticized such people.
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Are you saying Bush and Blair are giving iraq killing, war, and misery?
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Since when Ayaz Amir like people became your authentic sources?