This is Nature
Kiaa aap Allama iqbal per 70-80 saal pehley lagey Kufar ke fatwey ki Touseeq karaingi ?????
mere nazar say tafseelan Allama iqbaal ki yeh nazam nahi guzree na main is per ulma-e-karaam kay aytrazaat say waaaqif hoon
STP ka reply perhnay kay baad app ka aytraaz ki koi wajah baaqe nahi rehtee !
Alllama iqbaal ki ummat-e-muslima k baray main apne shaairana salahiytoon say madad sir ankhoon per lakin behrhaal woh ALIM nahi thay
un say ghalatee hona mumkin thee ..or app ik aisa baat ko hujjat bana rahay hain jis k baaray main app nahi jaantay //k Allama iqbal nay apnee shairee per uthnay walay aytraazat kay baad bohat mumkin hay rujoo ker lia ho
app ik deene or sharayee maslay ko jo ja'yad ulma say saabit hay us k saamany daleel Allama iqbal ki nazam ko banaain gay ?
mujhay yaqeen hay jub app baymaar hotay hoon gay to ilaaj k ley docter k pass hee jatay hoon gay na k kissi aisay banday k paas jis ka medical say talu'q na ho
mainy apne tasal'ee k ley is masla ko ik Alim say discuss ker liya or un ki raaye waohe the jo mainy app tak pohnchayee
behter hay k app bhi apnee tasal'ee k lay isay kisi Alim say discuss ker lain takay app sahee rahnumayee pa sakain !
Allah app k or humaaree sahee rah ki terah rah'numaye fermayee ameen !
This is Nature
yes i agree 100%
and nothing with enjoying your wife if you like that kind of thing
but for 13 year old boys and watching that...
what will they do?
what will they want to do?
girls would want to dress liek them, look like them, if they feel they dont look good enough, they would be depressed
boys would develop destructive habits such as masturbation...
btw lakkis are you a chaste muslim?
or a muslim at all?
if you arent, then you have no say in this thread really
if you are, and condone women wearing tempting clothing showing all their charms
then you arent following the quran...
yes i agree 100%
and nothing with enjoying your wife if you like that kind of thing
but for 13 year old boys and watching that...
what will they do?
what will they want to do?
girls would want to dress liek them, look like them, if they feel they dont look good enough, they would be depressed
boys would develop destructive habits such as masturbation...
your reglion should taught you how you should be stable even after seeing them and not like avoid seeing them
when there is problem, face the problem, if you run away from problem you are a coward
your reglion should taught you how you should be stable even after seeing them and not like avoid seeing them
when there is problem, face the problem, if you run away from problem you are a coward
100% agree
thats why i condone seeing mother and sister in women
thats how i deal with living in denmark, working with women who flirt with me etc etc
i practice pure look and not lustful look
i practice pure thoughts , thoughts of love and wellbeing for all :)
what i dont do, is check out womens behind and chests, bodies
avoiding that, makes for nice conversation :)
100% agree
thats why i condone seeing mother and sister in women
thats how i deal with living in denmark, working with women who flirt with me etc etc
i practice pure look and not lustful look
i practice pure thoughts , thoughts of love and wellbeing for all :)
what i dont do, is check out womens behind and chests, bodies
avoiding that, makes for nice conversation :)
not thinking about something is impossible as you are already thinking about it :)
not thinking about something is impossible as you are already thinking about it :)
indeed
what i ment is, that when your mind wanders, your focus on something else :)
Waah STP sahab Wah !
You left no stone unturned in your zeal to defend hazrat Allama Sahib 
I appluad you for setting a fine example of double standards and heresy :k:
Allama Sahab Ladley they iss leyeye un ko Saat khoon maaf hain our unkey naam ke agey rehmat-ullah aleh laga dia , Mansoor Ladla nahi tu , tu us ko sooli pe latka dia 
Bhai !
Just that you claim to know the “pure” intentions of some poet that make his poetry free from every objection, but on the other hand insist that other poet had some mal-intentions in their poetry so it makes their work dubious !
This is pure contradiction.
Taken from your first post
Come on ! This is pure poetic phrase , nothing else
Would you seriously take it in literal sense ?
He is saying that ’ My life and my death will be under your eye lashes’
Can any sane person take its meaning in literal sense ?
It is just like saying
*Main tumhara daman sitaroon se bhar doonga *
Your comparing it with Quranic Ayat & dua which actually proclaims literal meaning and belief !
This makes muslims look more stupid and heretic than they already
mere nazar say tafseelan Allama iqbaal ki yeh nazam nahi guzree na main is per ulma-e-karaam kay aytrazaat say waaaqif hoon
STP ka reply perhnay kay baad app ka aytraaz ki koi wajah baaqe nahi rehtee !
Alllama iqbaal ki ummat-e-muslima k baray main apne shaairana salahiytoon say madad sir ankhoon per lakin behrhaal woh ALIM nahi thay
un say ghalatee hona mumkin thee ..or app ik aisa baat ko hujjat bana rahay hain jis k baaray main app nahi jaantay //k Allama iqbal nay apnee shairee per uthnay walay aytraazat kay baad bohat mumkin hay rujoo ker lia ho
app ik deene or sharayee maslay ko jo ja'yad ulma say saabit hay us k saamany daleel Allama iqbal ki nazam ko banaain gay ?
Dekheye, Ye Aam dastoor hai ke Adalat kisi muqadamey ka faisla kartey howey, Mazi main honey waley yaksaan noeyat ke muqadmaat our unkey faislon per nazar rakhti hai
Agar do yaksaan noeyat ke muqadamo ka faisla faraq hoga tu mudayee tu aitraz karney ka poora haq hasil hia.
Allama iqbal per kufar ke fatwey ke barey main sab jantey hain
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mujhay yaqeen hay jub app baymaar hotay hoon gay to ilaaj k ley docter k pass hee jatay hoon gay na k kissi aisay banday k paas jis ka medical say talu'q na ho
mainy apne tasal'ee k ley is masla ko ik Alim say discuss ker liya or un ki raaye waohe the jo mainy app tak pohnchayee
behter hay k app bhi apnee tasal'ee k lay isay kisi Alim say discuss ker lain takay app sahee rahnumayee pa sakain !
Allah app k or humaaree sahee rah ki terah rah'numaye fermayee ameen !
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baraye meherbani aap un muhtram aalim se Allama iqbal ke barey main bhi pocheye ga ke unki shairi mian kia batain qabil-e-aitraz theen jin ki bina par ulema-e-hind ne unhain kaafir qararr dia gaya tha ?
^ Allama iqbal per kufar ke fatwey ke barey main sab jantey hain
mere maloomat main izafa kertay hoye yeh bhi bata dejeye k STP k reply k mutabiq Allama iqbaal nay is fatwa k baad jawab-e-shikwa likhee
jis say saaf zahir hota hay Allama IQbaal ko apnee ghalatee ka ahsaas hoa tabhee unhoon nay us ka madawa main yeh nazam likhee
or app phir bhi missar hain k ulma-e-karaam nay un per jo fatwa lagaaya tha woh sahee tha ghalat
to agar to woh fatwa ULMA_E_HAQ nay lagaya tha to bilkul sahee ho ga ..
or Allama iqbaal nay un k fatway ki roshni main apne ISlaah kee yeh un ki Aajzee or khuda khofee thee
mere nazdeek ik DEEne maslay main Allama iqbaal say zyada ALIM ki baat zyada mau'tabar hay
k *nabi pak salal Allaho alyhi wasal nay ulma-e-karaam ko he apna waris kaha *
k
Allah nay quran main Ulma k baray main hee kaha kay mere bandoon main mujh say sub say zyada dernay walay ULMA hain
main wohee kahoon gee jo ulmaa-e-haq kahain gay !
ps> mere jeena mera marna tere palkooN telay
is shair per mere yehe raaye hay k is main shirk nahi hay
k yeh URF main bola jata hay jaisai mera merna jeena Falan k saath hay
lakin CODE REd app sirf is ik shaair ko hee kion bar bar point out ker rahay hain??
app is topic ki asaL theme kion nahi discuss ker rahay yanee her woh poetry jo islaamee taleemat kay berkhilaaf ho nuqsaan deh hay ..
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aisee thread ke moqe par… Joan Osbourne ka kalaam yaad aa geya:
Re: Why Bollywood Songs are not good for Muslims ?!
Brother Code Red, let say we should only look at all poetry positively by extracting the positive meanings and ignoring the "possible" negative meanings, like you mentioned about Mera jeena mera marna inhi palkonke taley. I totally agree that I might be wrong and your following opinion might be considered as true as there can be a positive meaning extracted out of it if we remain all positive. (Even though I never read about any of our **role models *prophet or Suhabi using such words for anyone other than Allah (s.w.t) *even in poetry) Though I have read about some suhabis who used to do "Gila Shikwa" from Allah (s.w.t) after loss from Kuffar or any other Loss which occurred to Muslims as a whole. (Which the prophet didn't disallow, as it is part of relationship with Allah and love for the Ummah)<--There is a also a possibility that Iqbal know this. Read the books on Khalid bin Waleed and you would see a lot of Suhabis doing Shikwa from Allah whenever the enemy had an upper hand on Muslim ummah, or Muslims suffering due to any reason. There was no selfishness in those duas but were only result of frustration after seeing the Muslim Ummah in pain. In Shikwa Iqbal is not doing "shikwa" for personal benefits from Allah (s.w.t) but he can't see the situation of the whole Ummah sinking in troubles. (I think that is quite obvious if anyone reads it).
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He is saying that ' My life and my death will be under your eye lashes'
Can any sane person take its meaning in literal sense ?
It is just like saying
Main tumhara daman sitaroon se bhar doonga *
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Now brother, I am desperately curious to know how would you defend the following words of songs. Alright, I won't take it in literal sense, but please Just bring one positive aspect from it, whether poetic, or any other kind, but just in some way enlighten me that there is nothing wrong in the "SELECTION" of the following words.
" Terey naam ka kalima parhta hoon, tujhi ko sajda karta hoon" (Singing while looking straight into the eyes of his beloved woman. So from all the vocabulary in the world the poet could only manage to use **Kalima and Sajda both together for his romance. Even AFTER knowing that these are specifically used for Allah NONE ELSE)
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OR
"*Janey kab se dil mein hai tu, jab se mein hoon tab se hai tu, *Mujh ko merey rab ki kasam, Yara rab se bhi pehley hai tu...." (But before giving any opinion on this one, kindly consider that it was said just after)
Kindly correct me if I am wrong, but the only perspective which can be understood from this is that his beloved exists in his heart even before his creator existed in his heart. And he acknowledge it in the worst possible way that is **by swearing by his LORD/ Creator. Astaghfirullah!
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OR
***" Mera yaar rab to sona...."* (My beloved is more beautiful than my creator / Lord)
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Do I even need to question the selection of these words ????!!**
yes, Hindus accepts mistakes
yeah but when it comes to "extremist Muslims" you conveniently just call them "you, Muslims" etc.
Following is the example that a man can complain directly to Allah BUT SHIRK IS NOT ALLOWED.
A dua the prophet (saw) recited in Taif with shoes full of blood, wounds all over his body and after having been insulted, ridiculed and abused by the people of Taif to whom he had taken recourse seeking a place of refuge. Moreover, this occurs after three years of suffering a boycott at the hands of the Quraysh as a result of which Muslims were reduced to eating grass and leaves off of trees.**
"O Allah! I complain to You of my weakness, my scarcity of resources and the humiliation I have been subjected to by the people.** O Most Merciful of those who are merciful. O Lord of the weak and my Lord too. To whom have you entrusted me?
To a distant person who receives me with hostility? Or to an enemy to whom you have granted authority over my affair? So long as You are not angry with me, I do not care. Your favor is of a more expansive relief to me. I seek refuge in the light of Your Face by which all darkness is dispelled and every affair of this world and the next is set right, lest Your anger or Your displeasure descends upon me. I desire Your pleasure and satisfaction until You are pleased.
There is no power and no might except by You."
source: http://www.nuradeen.com/CurrentIssues/PrayerOfTaif.htm
Re: Why Bollywood Songs are not good for Muslims ?!
^^song for you
Mein na hindu na musalman mujhe jeene do,
dosti hai mera imaan mujhe jeene do.
Koi ehsaaN na karo mujhpe to ehsaaN hoga,
sirf itna karo ehsaan mujhe jeene do.
Sabke dookh dard ko apna samajh ke jeena,
bas yahi hai mera armaaN muJhe jeene do
Aur time mile to ankhen band kerke yeh gaan sun lena
Lucid
I hafta add one of my own favs here
Dear God, is there somebody out there?
Is there someone to hear my prayer?
I’m a simple man with simple words to say
Is there some point in asking?
Asking for more only got us where we are today
Lost and alone and afraid
Give me, love for the lonely
Give me, food for the hungry
Give me, peace in a restless world
Give me, hope for the children
Give me, a worldwide religion
Give me, peace in a restless world
Dear God, can you hear me crying?
A whole world crying
Looking for something to say
We had it all and we threw it all away
Is there somebody watching
Somebody watching over the mess that we’ve made
We’re lost and alone and afraid
Give me, love for the lonely
Give me, food for the hungry
Give me, peace in a restless world
Give me, hope for the children
Give me, a worldwide religion
Give me, peace in a restless world
And we need to know there’s something good
Though all our years of solitude go on and on and on…
Give me, love for the lonely
Give me, food for the hungry
Give me, peace in a restless world
Give me, hope for the children
Give me, a worldwide religion
Give me, peace in a restless world
Dear god, is there somebody out there,
Is there someone to hear my prayer
Re: Why Bollywood Songs are not good for Muslims ?!
Chintu bhai, If I try to place my one foot on one boat and the other foot on another boat, while the direction and destination of both the boats are different, guess what would happen to me ?
I would fall in the gap in between the two and wouldn't reach either of the two destinations.
If the basic principles of two religions are very different, then we can't say both are equally correct. One of them must be wrong. It is up to us to do research and find out which destiny we want to choose for ourselves. If we say both are correct without doing research, then it means we are saying 2+2 can be equal to 4 and it can also be equal to 5. But we know only one of the two can be correct.
Can you tell me a single field / profession in the world which does not have its own rules and principles. The more sincerely and thoroughly we follow those rules, the more we excel in that profession. A lot of people might have considered Einstein to be fundamentalist and extremist during his time, but he adhered to the basics of his subject and did wonders in his profession. Same goes for religion. If we want to reach the ultimate truth, we need to strictly adhere to the basics of that religion.
Suppose I have a laptop. I don't know among all the manuals available to me which one is best suited for it. Imagine what would I do with the laptop if I am not able to figure out the manual best suited for it. So I leave them all and only use it with common sense without trying to know the basic guidelines for using it.
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na yeh laptop HP na yeh Sony mujhe bas ise istemaal karney do,
Common sense hai mera tareeqa mujhe bas ise istemaal karney do.
Koi manual na dikhao mujhe laptop use karneka to ehsaaN hoga,
sirf itna karo ehsaan **mujhe bas ise istemaal karney do.
Laptop ko common sense ke saath use karna,
bas yahi hai mera tareeqa mujhe bas ise istemaal karney do*
P.s. Imagine what would happen if evey person starts using the lap top with only his own common sense without trying to search and learn what the orignial manufacturur has to say about it.
Re: Why Bollywood Songs are not good for Muslims ?!
and in the moviez they show worshipping those statues and sometimez when those bad scenez come it take effect of the childz brain in a wrong way especially at little age coz then when it growz up it will be more
Re: Why Bollywood Songs are not good for Muslims ?!
^^ dude you are totally wrong.
Any profession requires three basic things first. Honesty,integerity and passion. Do any job and no matter how much knowledge you have , if you lack in these 3 things you cannot be successfull.
Same is in religion, no matter what religion you follow you need to have respect for person of other religion,humanity and humbleness in you.
Saying my religion is correct and your wrong is not making world a better place.But saying I follow my religion, you follow yours and I respect your religion , will surely make world a better place to live.
^^ dude you are totally wrong.
Any profession requires three basic things first. Honesty,integerity and passion.
Brother, my dad was in air force and he can count many people who had all these qualities but due to lack of knowledge their mistakes lead to crashes and loss of lives.
About respect, we can respect each other's religion and yet disagree on any matter. I never called Hindu religion or any other religion to be evil. I am just saying that we need to analyze our own beliefs and think logically.
In my previous post, I was referring to your comment of all religions are good. I don't say any religion is bad, but in fact if one follows one's own religion sincerely and thoroughly yet analyze our beliefs at the same time with respect to other beliefs, we would inshaAllah be able to reach the truth.
In my childhood I was the worst critic of Islam, and my Islamic studies teachers didn't use to like my questions. At times they use to get angry and punish me for being blunt in questioning the authenticity of what they taught me as I didn't use to take it for granted. (By the grace and blessings of Allah (s.w.t).
It is with time Allah blessed me with guidance. I still don't say my way of thinking is the best or I am a good Muslim, but am struggling to become a good human being. I feel we should not confuse religions. Every religion has its own guide lines which if thoroughly followed one would insha'Allah reach the ultimate truth, which ever belief system or religion that ultimate truth might be. At the end we have to select one single path and start running on it to be able to logically analyze which direction it goes. If at any stage we don't feel the direction to be right, we might switch to the one which (by experience) we feel is more closer to the truth.