If fundamentalists grab whom? You know, I think that is the problem in Pakistan in general. Most people (that I have met) have a very basic knowledge of Islamic history, particularly the sahabah and sahabiyat, and even the life of our beloved Prophet (saw). They are very emotional, and react in an unislamic manner even when people state facts about Islamic history. There were wonderful glorious moments in the history of the ummah, and there are also shameful moments. We must learn from all of those.
When we talk about learning from the sahabah, that means we must follow their example when they were right, and learn from their mistakes, which, by their own admission, were made.
yes ur right i was referring to those group of people.
as for grabbing i was talking abt pcg for her remarks like the prophet (sm) ''sinning'' and that we r allowed to put ''ahadith'' on the floor etc.
[This thread is not about PCG, please stick to the topic at hand. Ta.]
I don't see the big deal. No one is "doubting" Aisha. There are plenty of hadith to prove the whole "jealousy" thing (and yes, you can be jealous of someone who is dead, because memories still live), and there is proof that she regretted her actions with the War of the Camel (that's the name of it I believe).
In fact, if anything, I applaud the woman of having the guts to admit it when she was wrong. Being in a position of authority, that's hard to do.
Maybe some people here need to learn from that....
**33:6. **The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are (as) their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature).
From Bahz bin Hakeem from his father from his grandfather who said, ** “I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah who is most deserving of my birr?’ He said, ‘your mother.’ I said, ‘who is most deserving of my birr?’ He said, ‘your mother.’ I said, ‘who is most deserving of my birr?’ He said, ‘your mother.’ I said, ‘who is most deserving of my birr?’ He said, ‘your father, then your closest relation, then your closest relation.’” Hasan - Irwaa (2232,829)
It's surprizing how some people avoid giving any thought to the beliefs that have been instilled into their minds as if they would find out something nasty and disallusioning. Our religion teaches us to find out the truth about everything before accepting it as reality.
And you know what, all the sectarianism in Islam started in the early days of Islam, so we gotta study for ourself and make sure that we are on the right path. I say dont run away from it even though it sounds sectarian and controvercial, you 'll see that it's not so hard to differentiate between the right and the wrong.
This is where the problem lies syed mohsin.. people believe what theyv been taught .. without doubting anything and go on blindly believing in it.. if anyone questions it - they get labelled jew following shia's.
And you know what, all the sectarianism in Islam started in the early days of Islam, so we gotta study for ourself and make sure that we are on the right path. I say dont run away from it even though it sounds sectarian and controvercial, you 'll see that it's not so hard to differentiate between the right and the wrong.
The Quran states:
"When it is said to them, follow what Allah has revealed, they say, No! We shall follow the way of our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?" [5:104]
**and
"Even if their fathers knew nothing and were astray?" [2:170] **
In fact, if anything, I applaud the woman of having the guts to admit it when she was wrong. Being in a position of authority, that's hard to do.
Maybe some people here need to learn from that....
First of all, it is the Majoosi Narration of history which claims that she regretted that she went for Jamal.
What the heck, when it was not her to attack Saiyidina 'Ali's army.
It was Munafiqeen in the Camp of 'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu who attacked her army and martyred great Sahabah and Fellows of Ummul Mumineen, Talha and Zubayr radhiyAllahu 'anhum.
Off course it wasn't the intention of Ummul Mumineen to fight with 'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu, neither it was of Saiyidina 'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu, it was the Followers of Abdullah ibn Saba Yahoodi who were in the camp of 'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu who caused this unfortunate incident.
That was the time of Fitnah and afflictions caused by Munafiqeen of Kufah and Basrah who had killed the 3rd Khalifah of Muslims..
Wasn't that the guy that many say may not even have existed.
And even if he did exist, how did the war go forward, when the real leaders were Ali (R) and Aisha (R) in the community. They were the ones leading their respective sides in battle, so they were the ones that called the final shots.
The war was started on rumours spread by the Minafiqeen…By the time the war was stopped, many had died…
Do you know that when Hz. Aisha and Hz. Ali got together after the battle, they both wept for the longest time? They are literally members of the same house, how could they fight for power?
There was never a fight between Hz. Aisha and Hz. Ali …It was however, a difference of opinion between these two noble companions, which the Munafiqeen blew out of proportion and caused a strife…
And what makes you thing Abdullah ibn Saba Yahoodi never existed? Whjere did you read that? The Munafiqeen still present today will make you believe that the war really took place between two members of the Prophet :saw:'s family and that some members whould be elevated to the positions of gods and some should be insulted and ridiculed…
Mixing the events regarding meeting of Zubair[ra] and Ali[as]
So Ali[as] or Mother of believers was not able to diffrentiate the munfiqeen from the momins?
I am sure the situation was more complicated than that brother
And even if he did exist, how did the war go forward, when the real leaders were Ali (R) and Aisha (R) in the community. They were the ones leading their respective sides in battle,** so they were the ones that called the final shots**.
but that is only part of the story........
you will find 2 different accounts from shia and sunni side the truth lies somewhere in between
almost all of the influential sahabas were involved in one way or the other
some like Sa'd[ra] however stayed out
was he a military commander a standard bearer ???
one flank of Ali[as] army was led by Ammar[ra]
other was led by Malik-e-Ashter[ra]
so how can this dude whoever he was start this battle?
's camp that started the battle of Yamal and his name was Abdullah ibn Saba Yahoodi…
got together after the battle, they both wept for the longest time? They are literally members of the same house, how could they fight for power?