Why Aisha?

[714]

Re: Why Aisha?

why do i bother with this forum? sometimes some of you people are ridiculous

blindly believing in something means nothing…you should always believe it from your heart, because it makes sense to you

questioning things does not mean you are seeking to divide or cause problems, it means you are seeking to learn more about something, something you care about-and it keeps you from being ignorant as well as looking stupid when someone asks you about your faith

i didn’t come here to insult or belittle anything. i had questions, and i thought people would be nice enough to answer them-which most of you were

i am not looking to slander her or call her a horrible woman

i didn’t pull stories out of my @$$, i’m thinking back to days of Islamic School and lectures and such

i have much respect for her, b/c i know the Prophet (S) loved his wives, and obviously there is a good reason she was one of them, i know that she was immensely pious and that a good number of the hadeeths are recorded thanks to her

What struck my curiousity is that when you read about Maryam, or Aasiya, or Khadija you hear such beautiful and amazing things about them. These are the women we are supposed to emulate. I stand in awe of these women.

I was curious to learn more about Aisha, b/c i wanted to know what made her worthy of that same level of respect

actually though, my 14 yr old sister said something to me that i kne but had never thought abt…Aisha was so very young throughout her entire marriage…i think she was like 18 when Rasullullah passed away…Typical teenager behavior looks like

And after some comments here i realized too…it shows a different side of things…that humans, even the holiest are flawed…that life is hard for everyone in different ways

to those of you who truly sought to answer my questions, and understood what i was asking thank you very,very much

salafi bhai, i will have to check that out. thanks for the link

i’d just like to say one more thing-that being aggressive and rude, does not bring other people closer to your religion, it does not make them interested…it frustrates them and makes them look else where. The Prophet (S) was the epitome of patience, kindness, and love.

[KARAKUSH]

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@goodtalking2u

Well, the PS is the only part which makes any sense, the rest of it is just the same as everything else on this forum. You lot have 99% same view on religion and yet you have this forum,,,, whats the point. you don't have the courage to deal with people with diferent views. those of you who dare to question few of the things in religion, which apparently are wrong, are forced to use some outdated sources to make themselves heard, otherwise they are afraid to be punished. what ever happened to freedom of thought, after all humans were born with the ability to think and question things.

his own religion doesnt seem to have a grasp on him so he comes here,plz brothers be patient with him.

[KARAKUSH]

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@goodtalking2u

Faith is opposite of knowledge, so I reckon I dont like to accept anything blindly. I prefer to know about things. of course its difficult to know everything around you and beyond but at least, I tey to gain knowledge of things instead of just believing in things said or done by someone same as everybody else, meaning human being.

why dont u ask questions then regarding wat islams message is from the core beliefs,y just question wat we talk abt or wats highlighted in the media?

[goodtalking2u]

Re: Why Aisha?

@KARAKUSH

why dont u ask questions then regarding wat islams message is from the core beliefs,y just question wat we talk abt or wats highlighted in the media?

Fine, I would like to take you back to 714's question regarding Aesha's attitude towards Khadija and towards the other friends of Mohammad and why did she make the situation worse after the death of Mohammad and got involved in the battle for power?

[armughal]

Re: Why Aisha?

^ u obviously lack a lot about history....
she never fought a fight for power....

and she was not jealous, if u know a difference between rashk and hasad (thats in urdu), u will know how she felt when Muhammad (saw) used to tell her about how much he love khadija....
she was not jealous, but naturally she did feeel that she wud be loved so much by the prophet as well....

now stop making nonsense remarks....

[goodtalking2u]

Re: Why Aisha?

@armughal

^ u obviously lack a lot about history.... she never fought a fight for power....

and she was not jealous, if u know a difference between rashk and hasad (thats in urdu), u will know how she felt when Muhammad (saw) used to tell her about how much he love khadija.... she was not jealous, but naturally she did feeel that she wud be loved so much by the prophet as well....

now stop making nonsense remarks....

There was no need for the last line. it's not nonsense remarks it is a question put forth by 714 and I do believe he deserves an answer not to be told to shutup. this may seems to you a nonsense remark just becos it questions your faith in stories came down through word of mouth. And yes Aesha was involved in power strugle, what about the fight against Ali?

[Code_Red]

Re: Why Aisha?

I think it is time again to clean this thread from personal attacks/ off-topic mudslinging (i.e half of the posts in this thread including this one)

I hope some moderator is online.

[armughal]

Re: Why Aisha?

go read history....
aisha (ra) never demanded power or governing position....
she never fought Ali (ra) for that....
u bring in such useless comments and expect me not to label them as what they r....

[KARAKUSH]

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@goodtalking2u

Fine, I would like to take you back to 714's question regarding Aesha's attitude towards Khadija and towards the other friends of Mohammad and why did she make the situation worse after the death of Mohammad and got involved in the battle for power?

fine ill go back to the starting point.

1=first of all i am not in favor of this question ,look as usual all of us r debasing ourselves by being personal n insulting which is evidently the norm here

2=wat will the thought / emotional process of hazrat ayesha teach us ,wats the point of this discussion,religion is a lot more than this, pcg says since it was important enuff to b noted as a hadith we shud discuss it ,and i dont agree,how many other ahadith do we need to analyse and for wat

3= for the believer no miracle is necessary,for the non believer no miracle is enuff,the majority of guppies here have already made up their minds and think they know best.

4=u want to know abt islam then u wud be better off asking a bunch of muslims who
a=fight over their own beliefs
b=insult eachother
c=are not even aware of the details of their own religion
d=we r not the best examples of wat a muslim is

i ask u again,in the light of points listed above u really think we r the best people to learn abt islam from.

u wud b better of talking to a single person comprehensively ,who is patient enuff to answer ur questions and has the knowledge.plz just go thru the post in religion section by me which shows how beautifully a knowledgeable person explains something which can easily cause problems.

u think we wud b able to clarify anything to u ?

[goodtalking2u]

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@armughal

go read history.... aisha (ra) never demanded power or governing position.... she never fought Ali (ra) for that.... u bring in such useless comments and expect me not to label them as what they r....

People who write history(or used to right history in the old time) can not be 100% correct no matter what.... everybody has a right to research/analyse history. Aesha existed in the period which is part of World history not just muslim history. People have right to question historical facts, if you disagree on some facts or all of what others have to say, you correct them with your version of historical facts. bottom line is, you dont own history and have no right to condemn people who have different approach to history.

[KARAKUSH]

Re: Why Aisha?

@goodtalking2u

People who write history(or used to right history in the old time) can not be 100% correct no matter what… everybody has a right to research/analyse history. Aesha existed in the period which is part of World history not just muslim history. People have right to question historical facts, if you disagree on some facts or all of what others have to say, you correct them with your version of historical facts. bottom line is, you dont own history and have no right to condemn people who have different approach to history.

true enuff,thats y i say dont start threads like these.

[Lajawab]

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@PyariCgudia

Oh, hey, I’m not saying Aisha (R) was a bad person. I’m saying she had her character flaws also, although she was probably a better muslim than me, or even you Kaleem.

Nonetheless, that doesn’t mean we shoudl not look into it. If someone bothered to write a hadith on her jealousy over Khadija and bothered to record her role in wars after the Prophet’s death, then its worth researching into.

And not everyone believes that Muhammed (SAW) committed no sin. That’s quite debateable, since the Quran itself has an ayah that reprimands the Prophet. Although heck, if that was my only sin, I’d be happy.

Character flaws? Such as?

Remember, Allah :swt: has sent down Ayahs regarding this lady that you claim had character flaws…It’s not everyone who is mentioned in the Quran except the Prophets (May peace be upon them)…

[KARAKUSH]

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@pcg

And not everyone believes that Muhammed (SAW) committed no sin. That’s quite debateable, since the Quran itself has an ayah that reprimands the Prophet. Although heck, if that was my only sin, I’d be happy.

an explanation wud b nice if u please

[Lajawab]

Re: Why Aisha?

@KARAKUSH

an explanation wud b nice if u please

She wouldn’t know…She considers the incident regarding the blind man as a ‘sin’ from our Holy Prophet :saw:…

What more explanation do you need?

[armughal]

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aisha (ra) is happy that her character has been approved by Allah Almighty, and has put that in writing in His Book in His Own Words....

and while Allah has approved of her character, poor Aisha (ra) still needs to get a certificate of good character from pcg....

ofcourse u know, its not Allah's words that matter, pcg has to issue character certificates for her....

[system]

Re: Why Aisha?

@714

before i ask, i’d like to remind you all to keep it civil in my thread please

i have a question, and i ask this in all seriousness…and i mean no offense

there are certain women in Islam whom we respect above all others, Prophet Isa’s (A) mother, Maryam, the pharoas wife Aasiya, Rasullullah’s wife Khadija b/c they were the epitome of righteous women…

my question Aisha…one amazing thing she did was she was a major contributor to hadeeth and she was pious

but you also hear stories about how she was such a jealous woman, especially about Khadija

and please, please correct me if i’m wrong…but isn’t she a big part of the divide that came in the ummah at the time of Ali as well?

and i just remember hearing other stories about her behavior as well

i understand that she was an extremely pious woman, and i also realize she was only human…i just feel like a woman in her posistion of the Prophet’s wife could have carried herself better in certain situations

i understand why she’s important…i just don’t know that i’d put her to that highest level

I just have such a great respect and love for some of these other women, that i just dont feel as much for aisha…and i feel kind of guilty for it

please don’t misunderstand this as some kind of attack on her, and i dont’ mean to be horrid, i really would like to know more about her, and i hope that some of you can provide me with the knowledge

thank you

First of all, there is something wrong with the chronology of your question:
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) married Hz Khadija at the age of 25 yrs when Hz Aisha was’nt even born, then Hz Khadija remained his ONLY wife till her death. Thus the question, how come a young girl felt jealous of a woman she probably never met? Sounds strange. Even more bizarre, how come all the religious minded guppies did’nt think of this?

Asking questions is not a problem, especially when it deal with those on who our faith is premised. Debate must be maintained on a informed basis and athe level of basic decency towards the subjects under discussion maintained at all costs.

[itsme01]

Re: Why Aisha?

@fartguru

First of all, there is something wrong with the chronology of your question:
** Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) married Hz Khadija at the age of 25 yrs when Hz Aisha was’nt even born, then Hz Khadija remained his ONLY wife till her death. Thus the question, how come a young girl felt jealous of a woman she probably never met?** Sounds strange. Even more bizarre, how come all the religious minded guppies did’nt think of this?

:k:

[amana]

Re: Why Aisha?

I am really disturbed by the mudslinging in this post to a simple question. First of all, the sahaba and sahabiyat were not infalliable, and did make mistakes, such as Abu Bakr’s unfair treatment of Fatima in terms of inheritance, and of Umar attempting to ban women from the masjid, which he later retracted when confronted by a woman from the community. However, they were all certainly more pious than us, and we can and should learn from their examples.

Aisha was the best of the women, and she is one of four who narrated more than 2000 ahadith, and Rasulullah (saw) stated that we could learn much of our deen from her. She is not mentioned directly by name in the Quran, but is declared innocent of the false accusations made against her (24:11).

With regards to Aisha’s jealousy of Khadija, this is well-documented, but it was more of a childish jealousy, and not something destructive.

"Of her jealousy, Aishah would say in later years:
“I was not, jealous of any other wife of the Prophet as I was jealous of Khadijah, because of his constant mentioning of her and because God had commanded him to give her good tidings of a mansion in Paradise of precious stones. And whenever he sacrificed a sheep he would send a fair portion of it to those who had been her intimate friends. Many a time I said to him: “It is as if there had never been any other woman in the world except Khadijah.”
Once, when Aishah complained and asked why he spoke so highly of “an old Quraysh woman”, the Prophet was hurt and said: “She was the wife who believed in me when others rejected me. When people gave me the lie, she affirmed my truthfulness. When I stood forsaken, she spent her wealth to lighten the burden of my sorrow.””

The USC MSA has an excellent biography of Aisha (ra):
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/biographies/sahaabah/bio.AISHAH_BINT_ABI_BAKR.html

[amana]

Re: Why Aisha?

Here is a brief history of the Battle of the Camel, where Aisha (ra) and Ali (ra) fought

Uthman was murdered by rebels, Ali was offered the caliphate by the majority of Muslims. He is reported to have refused the caliphate, saying, "You are not a people fit for my rulership nor are I a master fit for you people". Aisha became angry that Ali was not making finding Uthman's murders an upmost priority, and gave a speech at the masjid in Mecca, demading qiysas, although she was not a relative. Aisha gathered support from Uthman's former governers, his tribe, the bani Umayyah, Yala, Talha, and Zubayr. She was given 60,000 dinars and 600 camels, and ended up with around 3,000 troops. Some of the other Umm Mu'imeen joined her, but later turned back. To make a long story short, more than 10,000 men were killed. Ali led funeral prayers for those killed on both sides. Later, Aisha retired to Medina and spent the remainder of her life as the first great scholar of Islam. She later regretted her involvement in this particular insurrection.

May I suggest a brief reading of history before accusing your fellow muslim brothers and sisters of creating lies against a sahabiyat.

[KARAKUSH]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Lajawab

She wouldn’t know…She considers the incident regarding the blind man as a ‘sin’ from our Holy Prophet :saw:…

What more explanation do you need?

acha.u know if fundamentalists grab her shes a gonner,i have known people starting riots for a lot less. i wonder who she gets this info from.this isnt purely her.