Why Aisha?

[Das_Reich]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Debater

That was the time of Fitnah and afflictions caused by Munafiqeen of Kufah and Basrah who had killed the 3rd Khalifah of Muslims..

it was the Egyptian contignent killed uthman[ra] NOT the iraqis
how can you make up stories like that?
and Amr bin As played a huge role in this uprising......

[Lajawab]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Das Reich

was he a military commander a standard bearer ???
one flank of Ali[as] army was led by Ammar[ra]
other was led by Malik-e-Ashter[ra]
so how can this dude whoever he was start this battle?

Still trying to blame Muslims for the battle of the camel…

Read this…

http://muslim-canada.org/camelbattle.html

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Lajawab

There was never a fight between Hz. Aisha and Hz. Ali …It was however, a difference of opinion between these two noble companions, which the Munafiqeen blew out of proportion and caused a strife…

@Das Reich

So Ali[as] or Mother of believers was not able to diffrentiate the munfiqeen from the momins?
I am sure the situation was more complicated than that brother

Your answer lies in the following statement of Hz. Ali (ra). [See the words in Bold]

“Leave me and seek some one else. We are facing a matter which has (several) faces and colours, which neither hearts can stand nor intelligence can accept. Clouds are hovering over the sky, and faces are not discernible. You should know that if I respond to you I would lead you as I know and would not care about whatever one may say or abuse. If you leave me then I am the same as you are. It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counselor than as chief.” SERMON 91 Nahjul Balagha

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Das Reich

was he a military commander a standard bearer ???? one flank of Ali[as] army was led by Ammar[ra] other was led by Malik-e-Ashter[ra] so how can this dude whoever he was start this battle?

Regardless of who influenced what, if the Sahabah are so perfect, then they would have been able to pick out the Munafiqeen from their followers, and they would have made the right decision of not fighting them. The fact that they wept over what they did is proof that they DID make a mistake. I'm not saying they didn't repent over it or regret it. I'm saying the Sahabah were not infallible and perfect people.

[Ma_Mooli]

Re: Why Aisha?

I dont think anyone believes sahabas were all perfect/infallible as such.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Why Aisha?

I thought some believe that Ali (R) is?

[Ma_Mooli]

Re: Why Aisha?

Those who do see him as an Imam. im not sure are blood relatives considered as companions?

[Kaka_MaNNa]

Re: Why Aisha?

No Sahaba are perfect/infallible and that includes Ali (ra) and other members of Prophet's (pbuh) family.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Why Aisha?

That would be the Shia's side of the story, and frankly, that topic is another one. Lets stay on Aisha (R).

[Captain1]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Das Reich

it was the Egyptian contignent killed uthman[ra] NOT the iraqis how can you make up stories like that? and Amr bin As played a huge role in this uprising......

I see someone else making up the stories now :)

[Saqi_the_angel]

Re: Why Aisha?

For your kind information Sunnis are the ONLY one who love Prophet, Sihabah and Ahle Bait. Where as Shia only love Ahle Bait and others only talk about Sihabah (these are the ppl who say RadiAllah o Tallah to Yazid).

I think you are talking about so called Sunnis who say RadiAllah o Tallah to Yazid, we sunnis could never think anything like that about those pious ppl.

So get your facts right here

@goodtalking2u

You think Sunnis would tell you the truth. they would only tell you thier side of the story just like shias or other parties involved in the conflict. there sure was a conflict, hell it was a war to be correct, after the death of Mohammad. Sure enough Aesha was in the center of the conflict and so was Ali, Usman and others.
They all fought hard to snacth the powers from the others. we dont know the true story cos there was no who was not part of the conflict and hence bias in telling the story. according to some people Aesha was a bit arrogant and did not want to give in to pressure from elders to let the right person run the community. She was rude to Khadija and she used to fight with Mohammad over Khadija. I am not saying that these stories are more true than the others, but what I am saying that Aesha was not a saint she was just another woman

[OMG]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Code_Red

She was human first then wife of prophet (pbuh) and so mother of all believers

So, her status is very high in Islam i.e mother, same as biological mothers they are not perfect in anyway but we love and respect them because this is ordained for believers.

On one side Hazrat Aisha (ra) was a pious lady, but she was also a human being. We understand every human has shortcommings

Same way, Hazrat Umar (ra) was a brilliant leader but he also had his own set of natural fallouts. Same was the case with Hazrat Ali, Usman and others.

We do not consider them infallible.At the same time we can never assume anything bad about their intentions and sincerity to Islam.

:k:

Well said. Agreed.

[Das_Reich]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Captain1

I see someone else making up the stories now :)

Could you please be more specific?
which group or contignent was responsible?

[Das_Reich]

Re: Why Aisha?

@Lajawab

Still trying to blame Muslims for the battle of the camel…

Read this…

http://muslim-canada.org/camelbattle.html

Bro nobody is saying that there were no peace talks
but the article you posted contain this “night attack” theory which really is hard to believe since no credible historical work that I am aware of cites it
Zubair(ra) and Ali(as) did agree to stop fighting and Zubair(ra) was assasinated by a man Ibn Jumroze(spelling is not right) who was not from the army of Ali(as) Zubair(ra) by all accounts did not participate in the battle
Talha(ra) did lead the cavalry charge but was wounded by an arrow by Marwan( who was as we all know the son-in-law of Uthman ra )
Now there might have been some in the army of Ali(as) by the name of Abdullah like Abdullah ibn Abbas(ra) but nowhere is it recorded that they started the battle