Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
OG, stop posting articles that are years old. View the present conflict in the light of present articles and facts. The further you go back in history you will find Israel in the wrong.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Dear Greencard,
No. History repeats itself. Hizbullah tried the exact same adventure in 2002. Sharon backed down. So Hizbullah tried it again figuring Olmert was not as tough as Sharon, and they would engineer some prisoner swap.
Oooops. There goes your country.
Acts of war should not be taken lightly.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Latest news from ARY was that, in one incident six Israeli invading terrorists were ambushed and killed in southern Lebanon village by Hiz-bul-lah. Hiz-bul-Lah shot a helicopter and 4 Israelis including 2 pilots got killed. Hezbollah also destroyed two tanks and killed 4 Israelis. In another attack, they destroyed another tank killing 2 Israelis. There are others similar news too. It seems that invading terrorists are finding their grave in increasing number, every now and then.
Israeli kee missal yea hay kay: Langoti kay chakkar may kurta bhie gayea.
Mujhay lagtaa hay kay dou Israeli kutto ko churanay kay chakkar may dou sau Israeli kuttay maray jayain gay or kaie kutta phans jayain gay, phir bhie kuch nahie hath lagay gaa.
As time is passing, hands of Hiz-bul-lah is getting stronger. Israel has destroyed what they can from sky and now land battle seems getting costly for Israeli day by day.
I do not know if it would be in the interest of Hezbollah in accepting any ceasefire. Life in Lebanon has already changed from air bombing. Now, it is time for Hezbollah to change life of their invaders, by keeping them engaged in this war and making it costly for them.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
No. History repeats itself. Hizbullah tried the exact same adventure in 2002. Sharon backed down. So Hizbullah tried it again figuring Olmert was not as tough as Sharon, and they would engineer some prisoner swap.
Oooops. There goes your country.
Acts of war should not be taken lightly.
Very true. Someday Israel will understand that as well. Sharon is feeling Allahs wrath now in his vegetative state isn't he.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Hey man! If that rings your bell, it would be fine by us.
Personal suffering is just that. Personal.
If personal suffering was Allah's Azab (God's wrath), then Lebanese (consider their suffering) in general and Hizbis in particular would be pretty high on the God's black list .
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Personal suffering is just that. Personal. If personal suffering was Allah's Azab (God's wrath), then Lebanese (consider their suffering) in general and Hizbis in particular would be pretty high on the God's black list .
No OBL, sometimes its an Imtihaan and sometimes its an Azaab. I don't think you need to second guess what it is in Sharons case.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
those two israeli soldiers were captured from lebanon land..then it is clear who started it...but yes,we all can see tht ohioguy,antiobl and other narrow minded fox news fans have not said just a single word against the killing of innocent lebanon people....talk abt civilized west...
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
good.
If a Hizbi gets his brain splattered on the side walk. It is Imtihaan (elementary school exam).
If Sharon dies in a hospital bed, it is Azab (Punishment).
That's your logic and I respect that.
However looking at the Lebanse's Azab, it is all thanks to Azabullah Hizbullah.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
However looking at the Lebanse's Azab, it is all thanks to Azabullah
This is a forum to discuss world events not your fantasy group Azabullah.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
I don’t think at this point it matters who started it. Fact is, Israel is setting up camp in Lebanon and I highly doubt they will get out anytime soon.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
That’s my fear as well.
Hizbiz should quickly release Israeli soldiers and say I am sorry.
At least that way, Israel will be pressured to leave Lebanese areas. However if the fatooshas katooshas keep on showing up in Haifa, more Lebanese land will be lost.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Lots of settlers from the West Bank and Gaza who would be willing to annex Southern Lebanon. Don’t think that you have nothing to lose when you have land to lose.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
This is what happens when you let Bush decide, Lebanon was moving towards a secular democracy, with new money and tourism, a model for Arab world to follow, big buildings, Muslims and Christians living a new life of happiness, hope and peace everywhere after bloody history of violence.
Israel attacks and Bush allows them to carry out their disproportionate massacre of civilians. Bush, Israelis and "the intellectuals" refuse to see that they cannot win "War against Terror" by military action, because a victory in the war of arms will defeat the war of ideas, hope and peace. They are not destroying Hezbollah rather embolden them, call it difference between white and black and when it is all said and done, people in Lebanon and all across the world will know who are the real criminals are. They have created this mess and innocent will pay price for it, and all these cliché’s dissenting "intellectuals" can do is yak...yak….and yak…
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Hmm! So Prez. Bush asked Hizbiz to kidnap Israeli soldiers! That's news to the rest of the world. Tell us more please!
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
Well theres no mention of any police being bought off. hence methinks we can rest our case!
S*ince March 28, 2002, the first day of Operation Defensive Shield—Israel's attempt to dismantle the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure—Lebanese Hizballah fighters have attacked northern Israeli settlements and military outposts on an almost daily basis. These unprovoked attacks have included the use of antitank missiles, mortars, katyusha rockets, and antiaircraft weapons directed at Israeli military and civilian aircraft.* Among the towns attacked have been Shlomi, Kiryat Shmona, Moshav Beit Hillel, and the Allawite village Ghajar, where Hizballah fire wounded five residents, including three children. ....
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
This link was posted by another member in the Religion forum:
http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401
Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon?
Official justification for Israel’s invasion on thin ice
by Joshua Frank
As Lebanon continues to be pounded by Israeli bombs and munitions, the justification for Israel’s invasion is treading on very thin ice. It has become general knowledge that it was Hezbollah guerillas that first kidnapped two IDF soldiers inside Israel on July 12, prompting an immediate and violent response from the Israeli government, which insists it is acting in the interest of national defense. Israeli forces have gone on to kill over 370 innocent Lebanese civilians (compared to 34 killed on Israel’s side) while displacing hundreds of thousands more. But numerous reports from international and independent media, as well as the Associated Press, raise questions about Israel’s official version of the events that sparked the conflict two weeks ago.
The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon’s southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.
As the AFP reported, “According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning.” And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, “In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners.”
The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. “The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them,” reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. “The forces were trying to keep the soldiers’ captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity.”
And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account:
*“The Lebanese Shi’ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. ‘Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,’ a statement by Hezbollah said. ‘The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,’ it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they ‘infiltrated’ into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border.” *
Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel’s motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon.
MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers “inside” Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary.
A report from The National Council of Arab Americans, based in Lebanon, also raised suspicion that Israel’s official story did not hold water and noted that Israel had yet to recover the tank that was demolished during the initial attack in question.
“The Israelis so far have not been able to enter Aitaa al-Chaab to recover the tank that was exploded by Hezbollah and the bodies of the soldiers that were killed in the original operation (this is a main indication that the operation did take place on Lebanese soil, not that in my opinion it would ever be an illegitimate operation, but still the media has been saying that it was inside ‘Israel’ thus an aggression first started by Hezbollah).”
Before independent observers could organize an investigation of the incident, Israel had already mounted a grisly offensive against Lebanese infrastructure and civilians, bombing Beirut’s international airport, along with numerous highways and communication portals. Israel didn’t need the truth of the matter to play out before it invaded Lebanon. As with the United States’ illegitimate invasion of Iraq, Israel just needed the proper media cover to wage a war with no genuine moral impetus.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
America started it...the farsight... :)
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
If a Hizbi gets his brain splattered on the side walk. It is Imtihaan (elementary school exam).
If Sharon dies in a hospital bed, it is Azab (Punishment).
That's your logic and I respect that.
However looking at the Lebanse's Azab, it is all thanks to Azabullah Hizbullah.
Sometimes I think you were assumed to be born. Did I say anything about Hizb's going through an Imtihaan. Its just the Islamic perspective I mentioned when bad things happen.
Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
It’s amusing you guys don’t want to celebrate the success of Hezbollah penetration of Israelis boarders but instead are scrapping at 2nd hand accounts of what happened.
From the dogs mouth…
**Hezbollah kidnapped two Israel Defense Forces soldiers on the northern border in the midst of massive shelling attacks on Israel's north Wednesday morning**. The IDF confirmed two of its soldiers were missing on the Lebanese border.
**Hezbollah fighters attacked two IDF armored Hummer jeeps patrolling along the border with gunfire and explosives. The Hezbollah fighters nabbed two of the soldiers and wounded others in the Hummers. **
Immediately following the Hezbollah attack, the organization's Al-Manar television station began broadcasting clips calling on Israel to release Lebanese prisoners held in Israel. The Hezbollah demands emphasized the release of Lebanese militant Samir Al-Kuntar. Al-Manar also broadcast video clips of previous Palestinian and Lebanese attacks on IDF troops.
**"Fulfilling its pledge to liberate the (Arab) prisoners and detainees, the Islamic Resistance ... captured two Israeli soldiers at the border with occupied Palestine**," the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah said in a statement.
"The two captives were transferred to a safe place," it said, without stating what condition the soldiers were in.
**Two other Israelis were wounded when gunmen in Lebanon began pounding the IDF's Zarit position and other posts along the border before 9 A.M. According to Al-Manar, Hezbollah kidnapped the two IDF soldiers at 9:05 A.M. and transferred them to a safe location**
[http://www.palestinechronicle.org/story-07120675951.htm](http://www.palestinechronicle.org/story-07120675951.htm)
Ma Mooli, get you facts stright!Re: who started it, Israel or Hezbollah? (split from Should Pakistan support Arabs)
^ it says "at the border", doesn't really say whether its "inside Israel" or "inside Lebanon", or did I miss it?