i was also called 'shawn', and numerous other names only because my views differed from the general public here. it makes no sense really. and even if the op is whoever you're claiming him/her to be, why does it matter? why is it so hard to focus on the actual post but so necessary to analyze who the OP must be? really makes no sense.
Well said. In fact knight was called eliminator in another post. Not good. Just shows the other side is running out of logical arguments.
Anas also reported that the Prophet said, "If a Muslim plants a tree or sows seeds, and then a bird, or a person or an animal eats from it, it is regarded as a charitable gift (sadaqah) for him." (Bukhari
Ok well then that rests the case. People shouldn't be ruining the environment recklessly, that would be a sin.
^ which would be common sense, but unfortunately some people need to see it in the Quran or Hadith to actually believe that hurting something God made would be an offense to God.
Why do you keep referring to me by other names, we don't need to look in peoples hearts, we need to see their actions. Actions speak louder than words, if the actions of a religious person are worse than non religious person, does he deserve more respect, all the firqas ripping each others throats out I believe are fairly observant people, I am supposed to ignore the fact that Mr Haji Sir, you just slaughtered someone in cold blood as he says his namaz different from you.
Namaz is a spiritual progression. It doesn't rid one of their vices or bad habits over night. It's a process; it takes time. A person may have offered their namaz or grown their beard with full sincerity and humility toward Allah. If they are littering, that does not necessarily negate the sincerity with which they offered their prayer or kept their rozas or grew their beard or wore their hijab. That is an shortcoming in their personality/character that they need to work on....whether it be cleanliness, miserliness, a bad temper, etc.
Allah looks at our actions and hearts. You, Knight, can ONLY look at a person's actions. You do not have the capacity to look inside their hearts. Hence, you like all other human beings are limited in this regard. You cannot judge a person thoroughly like Allah can. Only Allah knows if the person who protects the environment is one who does so with a diseased heart and whether the one who failed to preserve the environment did so out of unintentional neglect. Why do you want other......limited and flawed individual like yourself.....to judge who is a bigger sinner.
There are many people who would be discouraged from their ibadat if you approached them in the manner you have in this thread. I am not kidding. It is well known that a common trick of the shaitan to tell people that, "You are such a BIG sinner, look at all the sins youve committed, you're a loser, your prayers and your fasting are NOTHING, you are a HYpOCRITE so it's better if you don't worship God."
^No joke. That's a common ploy of the shaitan. And people fall for it often. And if you were to approach Muslims with THIS type of mentality and tell them that their worship is a farce since they failed to plant a tree or recycle........And thus end up hurting the Muslims and making them feel their worship is worthless ...........how the hell are you any different from the shaitan, Knight? That's something for you....and even Southie to think about.
Why do you want us to pick and choose between hijab and pollution? Why do you want to use pollution to diminish the importance of wearing hijab or praying or fasting? All these acts are different. They have different ranks with Allah. And only HE knows the intentions with which every action is done.
I think that a person who makes others feel like s-h-i-t about their worship that they're already doing as a way to "guilt" rather than "inspire" or "motivate" them to help the environment.....is worse.
Oh and don't tell me that you're not looking into people's hearts and you're only going by their actions. BULL! You had already stated a couple pages back that Muslims wear hijab, grow beards, do namaz for societal approval/dikhawa. The heart is the seat of intentions. And by deeming them hypocrites, you're basically saying that you have looked into their hearts and you know the intentions behind ALL their acts of worship. You are no different from that Mr. Haji...who shot someone in cold blood because he believed that the victim's way of namaz made him a BIGGER sinner. Mr. Haji decided for himself that the victim's prayer was invalid. You, too, are consumed by who is the BIGGER sinner.....and you too, are rendering people's acts of worship as invalid or a farce. Now, Mr. Knight, you should grow a beard and don a turban and join Hazrat Haji's club.
There are many people who would be discouraged in their Ibadat by hypocritical Muslims and Muslims who hoo-haa over a woman's clothing and whether she covers her head but meanwhile find it no problem to poison the world, it's animals, it's trees and other people with their filth and waste.
There are many people who would be discouraged in their Ibadat by hypocritical Muslims and Muslims who hoo-haa over a woman's clothing and whether she covers her head but meanwhile find it no problem to poison the world, it's animals, it's trees and other people with their filth and waste.
Isn't it strange how it's ok to comment on one set of actions or sins but not the other..
Isn't it strange how it's ok to comment on one set of actions or sins but not the other..
^ Yes, this!!!
If it's any consolation, this hypocrisy isn't limited to Desis. I've noticed this in the Afghani community to some extent as well. Ironically, I've come across people who hold the curious notion that one can be irresponsible, deceitful, sleep around and do drugs yet be a perfect Muslim because they don't touch a drop of alcohol. All I can say about that is thank God people with this mentality are in the minority.
There are many people who would be discouraged in their Ibadat by hypocritical Muslims and Muslims who hoo-haa over a woman's clothing and whether she covers her head but meanwhile find it no problem to poison the world, it's animals, it's trees and other people with their filth and waste.
You are underplaying one sin by pointing toward another sin. It's like saying don't notice my nakedness, my gossiping, but pay attention to the corruption and pollution instead. Why not say that we should strive to fulfill BOTH the rights of Allah that He's set for us as well as the rights of His creation? Why one or the other. You are doing exactly what Knight is doing....making people choose between hijab and the environment.....and using the latter act to diminish/invalidate the former, Shabaash. A more postive approach would be not to play God and invalidate one's ibadat (namaz etc) but rather to remind people to expand their remembrance of Allah from the prayers to other areas of their lives as well.
RV. you have absolutely gone off on a tangent. Injecting religion into the discussion. NOONE here is making ANY claim that ANY religion teaches bad things. No one has also stated it should be ritual (hijab in ur.example) or environment. It was a hypothetical question. If given a choice which is better for fellow human beings. More power to anyone who follows BOTH rituals and environmental responsibility. YOU are the one framing it as a RELIGIOUS debate.
Could OP have framed it differently? Of course. Was he bashing religion. Of course not.
It's is embarrassing to read such responses. And then having to state multiple times one is NOT against religion.
Come on Le. Thats just weak. Not to the extent you do.
Southie, you've far exceeded your extent of harping on moochual respackt and positivity to the point that it now sounds cheesy and well...kinda sorta gay. Positivity is encouraging people to expand their ritual worship to also include remembering God in other areas of life...such as preserving the environment. Positivity is certainly not about pretending one has x-ray vision that sees into the hearts of others and deems their intentions behind all their actions as hypocritical.....which is exactly what your beloved pal, Knight has done. Here, Southie....replace Muslim with Hindu or whatever religion you are. I doubt the followers of your creed would take kindly to you saying their acts of pooja or vrath rakhna or mandir-going are all hypocritical since they neglect the environment. You cannot ascertain their intentions because you are not Bhagwaan. Starting to sink in a bit yet or no?And it is not merely poor wording of the question. Encouraging people to take care of the planet doesn't necessitate pitting ritual acts against pollution or asking us to choose between them or calling people hypocrites...he's done all of these.
Southie, you've far exceeded your extent of harping on moochual respackt and positivity to the point that it now sounds cheesy and well...kinda sorta gay. Positivity is encouraging people to expand their ritual worship to also include remembering God in other areas of life...such as preserving the environment. Positivity is certainly not about pretending one has x-ray vision that sees into the hearts of others and deems their intentions behind all their actions as hypocritical.
After reading ur first two sentences, I see you are beginning to show who you are. What does gay have to do with this discussion. And what does sounding gay have to do with anything? Grow up. Gay enough for you?