I was recently at a conference that is focusing on reducing Green House Emissions and the imminent calamity carbon emissions will bring to the planet. Consensus is that we have already caused irreversible damage to the environment, It would be a great sin to contribute to the pollution, that could eventually destroy all life on the planet. I know of this very religious family who observe all their religious duties and are very judgemental about girls showing some cleavage, and people drinking socially or having bfs and gfs. But these guys are horrible polluters, they throw down chemicals down the drain, don’t recycle, don’t conserve and reuse and would not know sustainability if it hit them on the back of their head. Whereas this liberal family is very environmentally conscious and is involved full throttle into environmental stewardship. I have my opinions. I would like to have yours as to who is the bigger sinner.
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how much do these peoples the weighz?
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how much do these peoples the weighz?
Sorry! I didn't get that.
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you asking the who fattast sinner. i tell you if you tell me weights.
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I was recently at a conference that is focusing on reducing Green House Emissions and the imminent calamity carbon emissions will bring to the planet. Consensus is that we have already caused irreversible damage to the environment, It would be a great sin to contribute to the pollution, that could eventually destroy all life on the planet. I know of this very religious family who observe all their religious duties and are very judgemental about girls showing some cleavage, and people drinking socially or having bfs and gfs. But these guys are horrible polluters, they throw down chemicals down the drain, don't recycle, don't conserve and reuse and would not know sustainability if it hit them on the back of their head. Whereas this liberal family is very environmentally conscious and is involved full throttle into environmental stewardship. I have my opinions. I would like to have yours as to who is the bigger sinner.
1) While pollution of the Earth is wrong even if it's done by one person, this particular religious family that you 're talking about is not solely to blame. Pollution of the environment is caused by the very religious, the less religious, the agnostics, the atheists, and even the satanists. Didn't think this through did you? Now if you're going to "comeback" at me with more examples of religious families who pollute our planet and even more examples of less religious or irreligious or liberal people who are tree huggers, save your breath. Plus it will only make people question your agenda....which will read even more like an attack on religious folks and less about the plight of the environment.
2) Religious people are not farishtay. They make mistakes, both unintentionally and deliberately. The people who are more vigilant about the environment are not farishtay either....for, they too, may be committing dire mistakes in other aspects of their lives. Maybe they are careful about the natural environment, but are careless with the social environment and thus engage in actions that are socially harmful. Did you think of this angle?
3) You want our opinion as to "who" is the bigger sinner? Why? Allah best knows the answer to that question. If, deep down, you believe that this particular religious family thinks they're more righteous than everyone else, then what you're doing is no different from that religious family. You, too, are looking down on that family....moreover you're hoping to get members on this forum to do a collective "shunning" of this religious family to validate your own personal contempt for them. Have you wondered if YOU might be a bigger sinner than this family? Shun the ACT or sin but leave the judging of who is overall a bigger or lesser sinner to Allah alone.
4) Most, if not all, religions don't approve of environmental pollution. If the followers of the religions are lax or careless with preservation of the environment, it's not an indication of a fault in the religion nor does it indicate that following religion is wrong.....it indicates a flaw in the individual that he/she needs to work on. Apart from the religious people on the forum, I believe that even the agnostics and atheists on here would find your post to be flawed and will question your intention.
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you asking the who fattast sinner. i tell you if you tell me weights.
Ok, that made me lol pretty hard! As always, thanks for the laughs!
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RV.. If your sin does not hurt me it is b/w you and God, but if it hurts the entire planet, all living beings and current and future generations then it is not an individuals problems any more. Millions of people die because of pollution, who died looking at some extra skin.
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you asking the who fattast sinner. i tell you if you tell me weights.
who do you think eats more Halwa Biryani, most environmentalists are Vegan.
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Knight, millions of people contribute toward pollution....not just this family.
Look at the wording of your original post. Even if majority of the people who respond to your thread were to tell you that this family are "bigger" sinners according to their own limited understanding which is not on the level of Allah's knowledge.......what would it accomplish for you? Will you jump around in glee that you've received a collective shunning of this family in your thread that validates your own contempt for them? Is that not also disturbing? Will you show this family your thread? Are you trying to send us the message that religious people are the worst offenders of the environment compared to liberal folks? Do you want us to question the validity of religion or the following of it? You could have expressed your concerns about the environment by including religious references for it as a way to make members more aware and to motivate them......it need not be turned into a platform to "judge" another person/family.......how is that productive or constructive? And if you know this family well, have you made any attempts to encourage them to be more careful about the environment? Have you tried speaking to them from a religious perspective. As I said earlier, religious people are not perfect....they need reminders just like everyone else.
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Who is the biggest polluter in the world, will be a more appropriate question.
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I was recently at a conference that is focusing on reducing Green House Emissions and the imminent calamity carbon emissions will bring to the planet. Consensus is that we have already caused irreversible damage to the environment, It would be a great sin to contribute to the pollution, that could eventually destroy all life on the planet. I know of this very religious family who observe all their religious duties and are very judgemental about girls showing some cleavage, and people drinking socially or having bfs and gfs. But these guys are horrible polluters, they throw down chemicals down the drain, don't recycle, don't conserve and reuse and would not know sustainability if it hit them on the back of their head. Whereas this liberal family is very environmentally conscious and is involved full throttle into environmental stewardship. I have my opinions. I would like to have yours as to who is the bigger sinner.
starting a discussion with an objective to determine who is a bigger sinner, in my opinion is a sin in itself.
as human beings, it is best that we do not take into our hands the matters that are for only ALLAH to decide.
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who am i to judge?
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Not again, shawns… I mean yawn 
I know of this very feminine guy who keeps coming back every month with a different nick. Only to troll.
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Going by what you've described, I'd prefer to meet Allah on the day of judgement with a good record for Salaat, Sawm, Zakat, Hajj etc. than a poor record for those but very conscious about the environment.
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I know it has become the in thing to mock the OP. No idea who shawns is. But that seems to be another theme.
It is not up for debate which side of the liberal to conservative spectrum is more environmentally conscious. Having said that the US is the biggest polluter per capaita. Within the us its those on the right who question climate change so they don't have to make some hard choices. And the moderates who associate hysteria with environmentalists.
While it is true India Pak don't compare with west in terms of pollution per capita, the rich over there consume as much as their western counterparts. So among the rich OP'S thesis is valid.
More power to the pious who are also environmentalists. But the question OP posed is valid. Those who are pious and pollute more harm to society. Those who don't pollute are beneficial to society. Pious or not.
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I know it has become the in thing to mock the OP. No idea who shawns is. But that seems to be another theme.
It is not up for debate which side of the liberal to conservative spectrum is more environmentally conscious. Having said that the US is the biggest polluter per capaita. Within the us its those on the right who question climate change so they don't have to make some hard choices. And the moderates who associate hysteria with environmentalists.
While it is true India Pak don't compare with west in terms of pollution per capita, the rich over there consume as much as their western counterparts. So among the rich OP'S thesis is valid.
More power to the pious who are also environmentalists. But the question OP posed is valid. Those who are pious and pollute more harm to society. Those who don't pollute are beneficial to society. Pious or not.
OP has no intentions to discuss environment pollution and neither is he worried about it.
Had he cared, the content of his post would have been different. He wouldn't have made a senseless lame comparison of religious people who don't care about environment vs liberals who are very environment consious, asking who is more of a sinner.
Same agenda-driven stories and threads made every month, but with a different nick.
Let me count it: Shawns, eliminator, hottie24, GQ29, Knight30 and still counting....
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Think its a messed up question. Sin has a particular meaning and is mainly theological in nature. Its counterpart is unlawful, in a more secular context. Ignoring the OP's underlying animosity towards religious people, what he really wants to ask is who is worse" A pious polluter or a non-pious non-polluter. So we have:
- Pious non-polluter
- Pious polluter
- Non-pious non-polluter
- Non-pious polluter
Rank them as you like, but don't judge.
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OP has no intentions to discuss environment pollution and neither is he worried about it.
Had he cared, the content of his post would have been different. He wouldn't have made a senseless lame comparison of religious people who don't care about environment vs liberals who are very environment consious, asking who is more of a sinner.
**Same agenda-driven stories and threads made every month, but with a different nick.
Let me count it: Shawns, eliminator, hottie24, GQ29, Knight30 and still counting....**
Why jump on one poster when others (inc one of your own 'friends') are doing the same when it comes to bans and multis?
This thread ISN'T personal or harassing anyone so don't know what your problem is with the OP.. apart from trying to gag people who don't agree with certain views?
Seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging on the forum lately.. "Why should*this* be talked about? Why is that **asked? Why are people answering **those types of questions?"
GS is about open discussion.. whether that's on religion, culture or talking about your family and inlaws.. Are some feeling threatened by that?
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yea just like talking about dead promiscous women gets some people lose few braincells.
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And how did I know NomiCA/ButtSB/Pwner (have I missed any?) was going to post right after me lol
For someone who's already been given a warning by the mods it's quite amusing how he's still trying to get attention..