Don't get so defensive. OP gave an example of a religious family that pollutes. And a non religious family that conserves. And poses the question which harms society more. (I would have posed it that way and not compare sins)
OP did not state in op ALL religious people pollute. He brings up a good point abt pollution. Makes us think about it. So get off ur sarcastic mode. And get with the program.
I am not getting defensive Southie ji. If that were the case I would have used a lot of rolleyes and bolded words between asterisks etc.
I stick to what I said earlier, OP doesn't care about pollution and neither was it his intention to discuss it.
Nowhere did I say that he is accusing ALL religious people of pollution.
Why is it that every new member who has even the slightest 'liberal' posts gets labelled as "shawn"?? I was accused several times of being "shawn" and "hottie". no idea who they are but im assuming they were a troublemaker of some sort. if you dont agree with what a poster is saying, argue their post. why does everyone get labelled as a 'multi'.
i really think people should refrain from such silly accusations, sometimes more than 1 person can have the same point of view or thought.
instead of focusing on someones post, people seem more worried about their other GS id's. very mature.
this is why new members dont even bother posting again, because they literally get bullied and accused of having a specific 'agenda', something i have experienced many times on this forum.
It has nothing to do with liberal views/posts.
OP is not new, he is shawns. Anyone who has read shawns' threads can see it right away.
And please, stop using 'bullying' (and stalking, abusing) without reason. Itne naazuk log jo baat baat pe bully hojate hain.
The nicks have nothing to do with discussion. That line getting old.
OP gave an example of a relic family that pollutes and a non religious that doesnt. And asked which is worse. Fair question. Stop that defensiveness.
Had he said ALL or most religious folks pollute you have a case. Wanted us to think in relative terms which is worse. To me answer is clear that answer would be same whether family is Hindu muslim or cbristaon.
Agree, nicks should have nothing to do with discussion, but when a person makes the same move again and again then his real intentions become clear.
Again, OP's question has nothing and nothing to do with pollution. It's clear as day.
Poor victims. Why don’t you start a help group. You know, for sharing traumas and stuff.
Southie, you are trying really hard to put me down as a bully. Try harder.
The irony now is that people like you and Deeba aren’t open to other opinions. And more funny is the fact that people like you always know how to side hate preachers by playing down their hateful comments and finding justifications for it (not talking about this thread).
And if people say anything against that person you will just accuse them of bullying or ganging up.
Genuine people aren’t selective in their cause.
Deeba already lost her credibility by doing that and now you are going the same route.
Hope my harsh bullying words didnt leave scares in your sensitive hearts
Got several replies. Don't plan to read any and extend this. To summarize my positions
OP was asking abt RELATIVE merits (or lack of) between two cases
1) religious and polluting
2) non religious and non polluting.
My response to OP'S query - I prefer 2. Regardless of Hindu Muslim Christian Buddhist
Now if question reversed
1).religious and non polluting
2) non religious and polluting
I prefer 1. Simple.
Second point
Based on where I have spent more than 50 pct on my life conservative christians are for most part climate change Deniers. While liberals - who may be religious or not - have shown themselves to be good stewards of environment
So in this context, I can without hesitation state liberals in the West serve society better in environmental issues. This DOES NOT mean religion and environmental stewardship are mutually exclusive..cause several liberals r religious. And some christian conservatives r environmentally conscious.
I have ABSOLUTELY no clue how religious Hindus or Muslims of south asian origin regard environmental issues in comparison to their less religious countrymen or Women.
Some take offense anytime religion brought into discussion. This OP is example. Jesus Christ. It's a thought experiment. Makes u go hmmmm. Given the two choices yes 2.is better. So if u r religious but a poor environmental steward u say to urself. Yes Jesus or Allah or Buddha or Narayana would want me to take care of environment also. U don't pout and protest. U do the right thing g. U acknowledge that there r religious folks who pollute. And not find some phantom reason to protest. Again this applies to Hindus Christians Buddhists Muslims etc
If u r truly religious u would have some credibility if u took offense at some of the posts on homosexuals. Equating that behavior with pedophilia and bestiality. How come none of u take such repugnant posts and posters to task? Do u not see those posts? Or do u not find such posts offensive and indecent?
You would have some credibility if u contributed or started threads on environment. But no. It's far too easy to keep a look out for any semblance of offense that you perceive directed towards religion. Even if the question posed is legitimate. And worth considering.
It's PC run amock when u find offense in innocuous questions. But won't challenge posters who equate homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality.
Ek aur khoobi aap ki, st. Southie. You say you didn’t read it, yet you provide an extensive reply.
lol, so unless I don’t open a thread on environment (to prove to you that I really care), I don’t care about it. Nice!
I don’t know what you are rambling on about pedophilia etc, but from now on I will ask your permission and/or excuse myself if I want to give my opinion on something ok?
Also I apologize because I can’t browse every thread on GS, and can’t take part in every discussion
I will try to provide a few responses, If you don't like the coined term sin, we can change it to good and evil, reckless or responsible, just or unjust, creative or destructive. WHO reports that 40 percent of all deaths worldwide are pollution related, our future and existence is dependent on our environmental stewardship, As Aristotle put it. "We are what we do. " If pollution is bad, then polluting is a bad action if you continue to bad actions you are a bad person. If you are a bad person can you be a good Muslim ? this is the question. Some people think that the easiest way to elevate oneself in the society is to wear hijab, grow a beard give attendance to the mosque and perform Hajj..and as expected they are bestowed with acceptance and admiration from their community and are indemnified of their responsibilities of being a good human and citizen. Never heard an Imam talk about sustainable living, Green house gas emissions and climate change.
To the poster who called it a sin to compare,I will say that I would like to welcome you to the 21st century, Quran and Hadith has qualified sins as big and small,like Major(Kabir) and Minor, Sins against the almighty or the fellow humans.
When you plant a tree you are rewarded for it for a log time as the cumulative benefit stays for long time, so what should be the punishment for causing clear cutting of the rain forest and causing destruction of ecology and environment, we are seeing the results of climate change already.
Monk I thought you were more intelligent than that, if you know gay people good for you.
Lee are we in kindergarten, call boyz girls if we feel threatened by them
RV..said much without saying any thing, which is a bigger transgression not wearing hjab or devastating the planet?
Is there evidence in Quran or Hadith about blessings of planting a tree?
If we take the verse about taking one life is like taking all of humanity and since plants are considered life forms then killing of plants and nature senselessly would be haram.
Is there evidence in Quran or Hadith about blessings of planting a tree?
If we take the verse about taking one life is like taking all of humanity and since plants are considered life forms then killing of plants and nature senselessly would be haram.
Anas also reported that the Prophet said, "If a Muslim plants a tree or sows seeds, and then a bird, or a person or an animal eats from it, it is regarded as a charitable gift (sadaqah) for him." (Bukhari
Please don't misuse statistics you twisted person.
I'm sure that 40% of deaths from pollution are caused from pollution of water supply, and airborne in polluted environments not because families arent recycling.
If you don't understand the gravity of situations please don't make asinine comments using statistics you know jack all about.
And to those who remotely agree, really people? Judging a family based on recycling habits. In fact, judging a family at all. Trust me when I say this, you have PLENTY of issues with yourselves that you need to worry about before you go addressing those of others. Trust me on this.
