Re: Who is the bigger sinner
And how did I know NomiCA/Pwner was going to post right after me lol
For someone who's already been given a warning by the mods it's quite amusing how he's still desperately trying to get attention..
I also knew Deeba/Pamela Anderson was going to address the public about her tattling and whining.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Why jump on one poster when others (inc one of your own 'friends') are doing the same when it comes to bans and multis?
This thread ISN'T personal or harassing anyone so don't know what your problem is with the OP.. apart from trying to gag people who don't agree with certain views?
Seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging on the forum lately.. "Why should*this* be talked about? Why is that **asked? Why are people answering **those types of questions?"
GS is about open discussion.. whether that's on religion, culture or talking about your family and inlaws.. Are some feeling threatened by that?
Good Lord, Deeba. Chillax, ek din aise hi tum ne phatt jana hai aur tumhare gharwale dhoondhte reh jayeinge ke hamari pyaari Dibs kidr gayee. And they will never find out.
You seem to be obsessed with that imaginary 'friend'. Don't drag me in your personal feuds, will you.
It's obvious which direction this thread of shawns is heading to, so I pointed that out. The whole context and link OP made makes no sense what so ever.
I didn't stop you or anyone from voicing your opinion, so stop getting worked up.
Also stop pretending to be GS' human rights activist. If you really were fair in your ways it would have been a different story, but you are not.
It's funny how you always ignore comments where people spew hatred and racist comments towards Pakistani people, and how you get a soft corner in your heart for such people, but don't somebody even dare to say something about Marsians or pink imaginary creatures or they will get sued by you.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
OP, I'm inclined to believe pollution, like other sins which hurt people on a mass scale, are worse sins than those which are 'personal.' I say that also cos riba is meant to be the worst sin of all..
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
living with in-laws and talking to BILs are worse than polluting even.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
I know it has become the in thing to mock the OP. No idea who shawns is. But that seems to be another theme.
.
I don't have an issue with anyone starting a thread with the intent to create awareness about environmental pollution and to motivate us to do do something positive about it, but I am rather surprised, Southie, that you cannot see that the OP's approach is not just wrong, it carries a contempt....and there is absolutely nothing productive or constructive about creating a platform for collective shunning of a family. It's not conducive to one's individual development.....it's not conducive to the social environment either. The natural environment is not the only one to worry about.
I am really, really surprised that you failed to see that. I did see that your posts were manipulated a bit in the "Pakistanis make the worst husbands " thread and that you were ganged up...I could understand that your intent was not to encourage racism....but, again, I'm surprised at your reaction over here and it's making me wonder if you exercuse a bias in who you sympathize with. If the OP is Shawns/Hottie/Eliminator, which I have doubts about, then this wouldn't be his first time trying to cast a dark cloud over religion in the guise of discussing environmental/social issues.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Why jump on one poster when others (inc one of your own 'friends') are doing the same when it comes to bans and multis?
This thread ISN'T personal or harassing anyone so don't know what your problem is with the OP.. apart from trying to gag people who don't agree with certain views?
Seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging on the forum lately.. "Why should*this* be talked about? Why is that **asked? Why are people answering **those types of questions?"
GS is about open discussion.. whether that's on religion, culture or talking about your family and inlaws.. Are some feeling threatened by that?
What is so constructive or productive about using a thread as a platform to encourage a collective shunning of one family....whom the OP clearly holds in contempt based on the tone of his post....and whom even he would have to admit is not solely responsible for all the world's pollution? Why just this family? Why not judge all other offenders as well? Why even bring religion into it? Most, if not all, religions don't condone environmental pollution.
If one wants to sincerely encourage people to take care of the natural environment, then it won't be accomplished by polluting the social environment. Judging people creates feelings of animosity that will be a hindrance in accomplishing the goal of taking better care of the Earth. Just look at the direction this thread took. How many members are seriously giving environmental pollution a thought? Now imagine if Knight used the same approach at an actual convention on the Environment or some other more formal setting, what response do you think it will get? Don't rush to defend a person based on just the fact that they have supported you in the past or that they share some beliefs with you. Look at what the person is currently doing....look carefully....to see if their thoughts/actions even deserve your justification/support.
And as for you saying it's an "open discussion".....err, there is nothing "open" let alone healthy about a discussion which starts off with a broad topic such as the natural environment and sharply drops down or "shrinks" to collective judging. That's not "open" as it doesn't expand....instead it shrinks and narrows.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Don’t get so defensive. OP gave an example of a religious family that pollutes. And a non religious family that conserves. And poses the question which harms society more. (I would have posed it that way and not compare sins)
OP did not state in op ALL religious people pollute. He brings up a good point abt pollution. Makes us think about it. So get off ur sarcastic mode. And get with the program.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
I don't have an issue with anyone starting a thread with the intent to create awareness about environmental pollution and to motivate us to do do something positive about it, but I am rather surprised, Southie, that you cannot see that the OP's approach is not just wrong, it carries a contempt....and there is absolutely nothing productive or constructive about creating a platform for collective shunning of a family. It's not conducive to one's individual develoKopment.....it's not conducive to the social environment either. The natural environment is not the only one to worry about.
I am really, really surprised that you failed to see that. I did see that your posts were manipulated a bit in the "Pakistanis make the worst husbands " thread and that you were ganged up...I could understand that your intent was not to encourage racism....but, again, I'm surprised at your reaction over here and it's making me wonder if you exercuse a bias in who you sympathize with. If the OP is Shawns/Hottie/Eliminator, which I have doubts about, then this wouldn't be his first time trying to cast a dark cloud over religion in the guise of discussing environmental/social issues.
OP simply gave an example. Read my response to Le. Makes us think.
I will go one step further and generqlize.
In the west the CHRISTIAN Right funded by Koch brothers does rail against climate chabge. So progressives are the ones who led the way wrt addressing climate chabge.
This is a good topic. Needs to be discussed without name calling.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
OP, I'm inclined to believe pollution, like other sins which hurt people on a mass scale, are worse sins than those which are 'personal.' I say that also cos riba is meant to be the worst sin of all..
I entirely agree. 100 pct. Not sure why it so difficult to grasp. Some people get so defensive. They have to mock the messenger.
In terms of religion no idea oof muslims and environmental prqctice. My comments directed at Christian religious right. The worst enemy of . environment.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
OP has no intentions to discuss environment pollution and neither is he worried about it.
Had he cared, the content of his post would have been different. He wouldn't have made a senseless lame comparison of religious people who don't care about environment vs liberals who are very environment consious, asking who is more of a sinner.
Same agenda-driven stories and threads made every month, but with a different nick.
Let me count it: Shawns, eliminator, hottie24, GQ29, Knight30 and still counting....
The nicks have nothing to do with discussion. That line getting old.
OP gave an example of a relic family that pollutes and a non religious that doesnt. And asked which is worse. Fair question. Stop that defensiveness.
Had he said ALL or most religious folks pollute you have a case. Wanted us to think in relative terms which is worse. To me answer is clear that answer would be same whether family is Hindu muslim or cbristaon.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Why jump on one poster when others (inc one of your own 'friends') are doing the same when it comes to bans and multis?
This thread ISN'T personal or harassing anyone so don't know what your problem is with the OP.. apart from trying to gag people who don't agree with certain views?
Seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging on the forum lately.. "Why should*this* be talked about? Why is that **asked? Why are people answering **those types of questions?"
GS is about open discussion.. whether that's on religion, culture or talking about your family and inlaws.. Are some feeling threatened by that?
Well said Deeba. Some have made this an art. Of ganging up and bullying. What passes as humor and wit.
shouting down anyone they don't agree with. Thanks for being the voice of reason. And not getting bullied.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
This is a good topic. Needs to be discussed without name calling.
[/QUOTE]
Where is the name calling? Nobody here has given the OP a gaali. Nobody has called him any names. Yes, he was indeed called out on his approach because it was plain wrong....and it is rather naive of him if he thought that people wouldn't notice it. You say that discussions about the science and the government should be done without bringing religion into it, so what's going on now, Southie? Why are you supportive of bringing religion into it now? Lol. Maintain some consistency if not in your views, then at least in your call for fairness and "respect."
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Why is it that every new member who has even the slightest 'liberal' posts gets labelled as "shawn"?? I was accused several times of being "shawn" and "hottie". no idea who they are but im assuming they were a troublemaker of some sort. if you dont agree with what a poster is saying, argue their post. why does everyone get labelled as a 'multi'.
i really think people should refrain from such silly accusations, sometimes more than 1 person can have the same point of view or thought.
instead of focusing on someones post, people seem more worried about their other GS id's. very mature.
this is why new members dont even bother posting again, because they literally get bullied and accused of having a specific 'agenda', something i have experienced many times on this forum.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
I was recently at a conference that is focusing on reducing Green House Emissions and the imminent calamity carbon emissions will bring to the planet. Consensus is that we have already caused irreversible damage to the environment, It would be a great sin to contribute to the pollution, that could eventually destroy all life on the planet. I know of this very religious family who observe all their religious duties and are very judgemental about girls showing some cleavage, and people drinking socially or having bfs and gfs. But these guys are horrible polluters, they throw down chemicals down the drain, don't recycle, don't conserve and reuse and would not know sustainability if it hit them on the back of their head. Whereas this liberal family is very environmentally conscious and is involved full throttle into environmental stewardship. I have my opinions. I would like to have yours as to who is the bigger sinner.
Coming back to the original topic:
a very good post indeed. people get so worked up on sins that dont affect others yet something like pollution which affects the environment we all live in gets no condemnation. recycling, conserving, reusing should be taught to young children and be mandated.
As far as what i know about religion, islam actually promotes conserving. we were always taught as young children that is a sin to waste water or food. wastefulness is considered sinful. planting a tree is also a good deed. so if a family is being wasteful, they are being sinful.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
This is a good topic. Needs to be discussed without name calling.
Where is the name calling? Nobody here has given the OP a gaali. Nobody has called him any names. Yes, he was indeed called out on his approach because it was plain wrong....and it is rather naive of him if he thought that people wouldn't notice it. You say that discussions about the science and the government should be done without bringing religion into it, so what's going on now, Southie? Why are you supportive of bringing religion into it now? Lol. Maintain some consistency if not in your views, then at least in your call for fairness and "respect."
[/QUOTE]
I will explain my position one more time. OP gave ONE example of two families. One religious and polluting. And other non religious and non polluting. And he asked for our opinion on which is doing more harm to society. What is so difficult to grasp here?
Now if he said all religious folks pollute and all non religious ones don't I can understand ur grief.
I am going one step further and making an observation abt the Christian Right. That they are for the most part climate change Deniers. And liberals (religious or non) are for most part environmentalists.
does this make me anti christianity. Of course not. Is it fair game to talk abt the religious right in the west when it comes to environmental issues? Of course yes.
that u would compare this with bringing up religion in science forum is laughable.
Ps. name calling is not confined to gaalis. Bringing up nicks is one example. Degrades the discussion.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Why is it that every new member who has even the slightest 'liberal' posts gets labelled as "shawn"?? I was accused several times of being "shawn" and "hottie". no idea who they are but im assuming they were a troublemaker of some sort. if you dont agree with what a poster is saying, argue their post. why does everyone get labelled as a 'multi'. i really think people should refrain from such silly accusations, sometimes more than 1 person can have the same point of view or thought. instead of focusing on someones post, people seem more worried about their other GS id's. very mature. this is why new members dont even bother posting again, because they literally get bullied and accused of having a specific 'agenda', something i have experienced many times on this forum.
Thank you.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Being religious and environmentally conscious are not mutually exclusive. It is quite possible to be both. I don't understand why people on here always seem to have this either/or mentality. Very few things are that black and white in real life.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
Some of the folks up in arms abt OP are the same ones who have yet to post in any environmentally connected threads. No input. Suddenly they get interested in the environment. Because two families were compared. One religious. One not.
K
Instead of recognizing that such thought experiments may teach us something positive - that our inaction on environment is harmful to society - they attack the messenger for asking a question that is a fair one. Which is a greater harm.
Come on people. If u r truly interested in the environment, contribute something to those threads. Else u have zero credibility on this issue.
Since RV brought up.religion in science let me add : the folks who came to the science thread when religion injected made zero effort to contribute to science e part of discussion. Just as they contribute to zero part of environmental discussion in this thread.
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
I agree with post 37. They are not mutually exclusive. OP didn't indicate they were.
Having said that one cannot ignore facts re Christian religious right.
Distinction not between religious and non religious. It's between religious right and liberals (who can be religious or not)
Re: Who is the bigger sinner
I was recently at a conference that is focusing on reducing Green House Emissions and the imminent calamity carbon emissions will bring to the planet. Consensus is that we have already caused irreversible damage to the environment, It would be a great sin to contribute to the pollution, that could eventually destroy all life on the planet. I know of this very religious family who observe all their religious duties and are very judgemental about girls showing some cleavage, and people drinking socially or having bfs and gfs. But these guys are horrible polluters, they throw down chemicals down the drain, don't recycle, don't conserve and reuse and would not know sustainability if it hit them on the back of their head. Whereas this liberal family is very environmentally conscious and is involved full throttle into environmental stewardship. I have my opinions. I would like to have yours as to who is the bigger sinner.
I know this gay couple, very green.
As matter of fact they dont need to buy medical supplies.
Or they cant make babies. How green is that now...