Who is a Muslim

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I thought i will say something about it, since many of our qadiani friends keep asking about it.

Anyone who says Shahadatain, that is La Ilaha Illallah Mohammad ur Rasoolullah, is a muslim.

So the Shahadah “qualifies” you as being a muslim.

However, there are secondary things that can “disqualify” one from being a muslim, like if some one says Shahadah but says he/she does not beleive Quran is from Allah, he would not be a muslim despite Shahadah.
Just like a person based upn his merit enters a university, but, failing in exams or breaking university rules can be expelled from it.

PS: I am not a religious person, nor trying to be one, its just my understanding. Agree/disagree at your own risk.

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Well maybe you should make a list of all the other things a person has to believe in/do to be a muslim. A definition has to be complete so we can tell if someone falls within the category defined or is different.

While you are doing that make sure that the definition is the same as in the time of the Holy Prophet (saw). Our claim is that any definition that is different than the definition of the Holy Prophet (saw) will be full of faults and shortcomings.

The government of Pakistan commissioned an inquiry into the riots of 1953. One of the things the inquiry investigated was whether there was an agreed upon definition of a muslim to make it easy to differentiate between a muslim and a non-muslim. Many scholars from different sects testified before the inquiry commision and gave their version of the definition of a Muslim. The conclusion drawn by the inquiry report from their testimony was that no two scholars could agree on a definition. Every scholar had their own definition of a muslim according to which everyone else would be a non-muslim.

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^Yaar i think everyone agrees that one thing can expell you from Islam and that is beleiving in a prophet coming after Muhammad pbuh or claiming to be a prophet.

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taking the easy way out eh? quite typical.

So are you going to lay out a definition of a muslim or was the whole point of the thread to proclaim ahmaids as non-muslims? If that was the whole point then you didn't have to open the thread.

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i am not taking anyway out, i described what i understand, Shahadah makes a person muslim, denying fundamentals of religion disqualifies from being muslim, one of which is Khatm-e-Nabuwwat or claIMING TO be a prophet.

As for making an all inclusive list of other things, thats beyond the scope of this thread or me.

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A "Muslim" is one who believes in:
1. the Oneness of Allah.
2. all His Angels.
3. all His Books.
4. all His Prophets.
5. the Day of Resurrection.

Simple....

Then there are 5 pillars of Islam :

  1. Affirmation of the creed:
    There is none worthy of worship but Allah and that Muhammad is His Apostle.

  2. Observance of Salat (obligatory Prayers).

  3. Paying of Zakat (poor rate).

  4. Observance of Saum (Fast) during Ramadhan.

  5. Performance of Hajj (pilgrimage) to Mecca.

Then there are following references:

The Holy Quran describes the righteous Muslims as:

Who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come. (2:4-5)

There's a hadith in Bukhari:

Whoever offers his Prayers as we do, and turns his face to the Qibla to which we turn our faces and partakes of our Dhabi ha is surely a Muslim who is under the protection of Allah and His Messenger; Therefore, violate not the guarantee granted by Allah.

(Bukhari ,Vol. 1, Bab Fad l Istiqbalul Qiblati)

There's another hadith:

'Umar ibn Khattab relates that they were sitting in the company of the Holy Prophet (saw) when suddenly a man arrived. He was wearing clean white clothes, and his hair was jet black. He did not look as though he was a traveler, and he was not known to anyone there. He sat down close to the Holy Prophet , his knees touching the knees of the Holy Prophet . He said: "O Muhammad (saw), Tell me something about faith." The Holy Prophet replied: "Faith is that you should believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books and His Prophets; that you should believe in the Day of Judgement and you should believe in the Divine laws regarding good and evil."

( Tirmidhi Kitabul ‘iman Bab filwasf Jibril annabiyyul ‘iman wal Islam)

Imam Abu Hanifa says:

"Whoever intends to enter the fold of Islam, let him solemnly declare and believe that there is none worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger. If he does this, he is surely a Muslim even if he is unaware of the fundamental injunctions of Islam."

(Commentary of the Fiqh-i-Akbar by Imam Abu Mansur Muhammad Bin Muhammad Hanifa, p 34)

I think this is enough reference for you to understand who is "Muslim" according to Quran and Sunnah. And by the above definition, we Ahmadies are by GOD MUSLIMS as we believe in:

"AMANTU BIL-LAHI WA MALA'IKATIHI WA KUTUBIHI WA RUSULIHI WALYAUMIL-AKHIR' WAL-QADRI KHAIRIHI WA SHAR-RIHI MINAL-LAHI TA'ALA WAL-BA'THI, BA'DAL-MAUT".

"I have faith in Allah and His Angels, His Books and His Messengers, and the Day of Judgement and that all good and evil and fate is from Almighty Allah and it is sure that there will be resurrection after death"

And we believe in each and every word of Quran and that it is the word of ALLAH in its pristine form and that it was revealed to the Chief of the Prophets, the pride and the crown of the Messengers, whose name is Muhammad Mustafa and Ahmad Mujtaba (saw).

We believe in angels, the resurrection, hell and paradise. We observe the prescribed prayers and the fast.

We turn to the Qibla for prayers and forbid ourselves what is forbidden by God and His Prophet and permit ourselves what is permitted.

We add not a thing to the Sharia, nor subtract any thing from it. The Sharia is above change. Whatever has come down to us from the Holy Prophet (on whom peace and God's blessings), all that we accept, whether we understand or not and whether we can unravel its secrets and real meaning or not. We are believers with the Grace of God, and strict monotheist Muslims.

Time Pass - جولائی - رمضان کا مہینہ
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^Bhaijaan, it all boil downs to number 4.

Whom you consider prophet, we do not. And you would agree that anyone making a false claim of prophethood is out of fold of Islam.

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So if it boils down to this. Then, we consider "ALL PROPHETS" are from Allah including the one whose advent was prophecied by AnHuzur (saw) 14 plus hundred years ago.

But as you said, you do not believe in that prophet. So, then decide for yourself, by definition, who goes outside the fold of Islam?

Time Pass - جولائی - رمضان کا مہینہ
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Will the rejectors of Jesus when he returns qualify as muslims? Or will those who refuse to do bayah of Imam Mahdi be muslims?

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^Good atleast you have made it clear that you consider everyone other than you non-muslims, something qadianis don't come up with readily.

Do followers of fake prophets qualify as muslims?

So it boils down to weather Mirza Sahib is the return of Jesus or not. Brother, i don't find a shred of evidence that he was. He does not fullfill any prophecy related to return of Jesus.

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Thats true.. Mirza sahib is a false prophet, and believing a false prophet takes one out of Islam, By the way there will be NO PROPHET after Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W).. Hazrat Isa (A.S) was a Prophet of ALLAH earlier than Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W), and there are certain signs of His descent which are very clearly mentioned in Ahadees.. Noone of them was fulfilled by Mirza ghulam ahmed..

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There's a definition of a Muslim acknowledged by Holy Prophet (SAW), and then there are other definitions put up by other people. It is up to you to accept whichever definition you want. As for myself, it's pretty clear to me that I will only accept the definition that Muhammad (SAW) prescribed.

My Not-So-SmartTv
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No Prophet After Hazrat Muhammad PBUH. Why is there a need of Isa (AS)? Would Muslim who reject Isa (AS) still be considered Muslim?

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he (AS) was a false prophet according to who? you?

Think about it from another angle. When Isa (AS) will come, there will be people who will reject him. Now, Muslims who will reject him will continue to call themselves Muslims because they think he is not the one they were waiting for (Isa AS). What about those who accepted Him ? do they still qualify as Muslims or not?

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^So anyone claiming to be Jesus and his followers shud be considered muslims!!!

Lets examine if Mirza sahib really fullfills the prophecies related to Jesus, if he does not then there is no other option to consider his followers non-muslims.

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^^ and what if Jesus (AS) has already died? who is the person with the name of Isa (AS) in ahadith?

but even before going in to that.. let me put an even simpler definition of Muslim..

Any Muslim or non muslim for that matter who accepts the Imam Mahdi (AS) and the Promised Messiah, is a Muslim, unless you would say that it will take them outside Islam.

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My dear, If Hazrat Isa (A.S) had died (according to you), Then why would ALLAH want Him and gave Him the power (miracle) to kill Dajjal?? I mean why many many Ahadees mentioned about the death of Dajjal by Hazrat Isa (A.S)'s miracle..?? If Hazrat Isa(A.S) had died like all previous Prophets of ALLAH, Then why and how would He be named as the Masiah and the Killer of Dajjal in the end times?? So the logical conclusion is that Hazrat Isa (A.S) is alive, and He will come..
and Hazrat Mahdi is a different personality from Hazrat Isa (A.S), Hazrat Mehdi will come before the descent of Hazrat Isa (A.S), and will do ''Qitaal'' against the enemies of Islam, and the united forces against Hazrat Mahdi will be pushed back by him, and the seventh year when Dajjal will see the defeat of his forces on the hands of Hazrat Mahdi, Dajjal will come out in anger.. This is all learnt from Ahadees-e-Nabwi (S.A.W.W)...There is no confusion in it..
And one more important thing, When you say that Dajjal is a system.. Then you are wrong..becoz Dajjal will also come as a person, though i agree that first Dajjali system will be in place..but at the end Dajjal will also appear as a person himself.. Becoz there is a very nice logic hidden, let me tell you that.. Do you know about Ibn-e-Sayyad? A jewish child(who had qualities of Dajjal) born at the time of Hazrat MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W) and even the Holy PROPHET(S.A.W.W) suspected him to be Dajjal?? So ALLAH had hidden a logic in this incident.. that if some1 says that Dajjal is not a person, then this incident Very Very clearly Tells that he will be a being.. Though there will also be Dajjali system in place for him, But he will appear as a person in the end time too.. Becoz if it is not like that, Then why would the Holy PROPHET(S.A.W.W) suspect a Jewish child with dajjalic qualities as Dajjal?? Thats the logic behind it...I hope you understand well now..

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As for Imam Mahdi i personally do not beleive any such person is coming and i have sared my reasons of doubt in Mahdi in other threads.

As for coming of Jesusis concerned then we have to see if anyone who claims to be Jesus fullfills the prophecies related to coming of Jesus, if he does not fullfill those prophecies then his claim is considered false.

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Who is muslim (not "Muslim") according to scripture?

28:53
And whenever it is conveyed to them in the right understanding, they say, “We believe in it, for, it is the Truth from our Lord. Indeed, even before it, we have been muslims (muslimeen).”

The "even before it" aspect is WORTHY OF NOTE!

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Can you tell me what were the reasons most of the Jews rejected Hazrat esa (as)? What were their objections?