Whoever supports killing the terrorist murderers has my support. Pakistan is more important than your petty politics.
And you support Mushrraf b/c you think he is fighting terrorists? Let us look back, the man has be in charged of armed forces since 1997 when he was appointed as an army chief. The army has been under his direct or indirect contorl for over decade now. What has changed?
Army and jihadis were and still are in bed, and he fools no none except maybe those who think he is the savior of Pakistan, and by definition defending Pakistan from Taliban take over. The radicalization of illiterate tribes is doing of army on both sides of Afghan/Pakistan border...and army is 110% responsible for creating this jihadi monster.
Whoever supports killing the terrorist murderers has my support. Pakistan is more important than your petty politics.
and what happend to you? did i said something to you!!!
Joke aside, Musharf is the one who is creating & harbouring terrorists ( racial or religiouist), he is using "dead-bodies" of Lal-Masjid, Wazirstan and now Swaat to potray himself as the "Last-Man-Standing against terrorism".
If one looks at the big picture with broader mind frame ( which small/regional aur ethinic based parties cannot think of) it is clear that all these above mentioned dramas are played by him to stay in Power.. nothing more his intentions are... the sooner we learn the better it is... but i gues most of the nation has learned it only a few ( mufaad parast Lotay) dont want to learn...
I was a strong Musharraf supporter, I mean the guy had an agenda, a vision for Pakistan and its economy and he did actually manage to give a certain amount of stability during the last 7 or 8 years.
I'm rather confused, because I'm totally in disagreement with his current course of action, while at the same time he does seem the better option compared to thieves like BB, or dumbos like NS. But what he's done to Imran and Aitezaz Ahsan, and the fact that he shackled free media goes very much against him.
i never supported musharraf before, i always wanted imran khan i liked his statements ot nawaz shirff, bhutto etc, but power got to him and after his u-turn by joining up with nawaz shirff, qazi, hamed gul i totaly lost respect for him and he looks like another power hungry dude.
my support for musharraf came after i saw how corrupt the oppersition was, and after i relized the double stadards of our people and how ignorant they are that they can elect nawaz shirf and bhutto and support a big thug like the ex thief justice ifitkar choudary.
maybe musharraf has somethings bad, but no one is 100%, he has certainly given pakistan more then any leader has since quaid-e-azam.
i never supported musharraf before, i always wanted imran khan i liked his statements ot nawaz shirff, bhutto etc, but power got to him and after his u-turn by joining up with nawaz shirff, qazi, hamed gul i totaly lost respect for him and he looks like another power hungry dude.
my support for musharraf came after i saw how corrupt the oppersition was, and after i relized the double stadards of our people and how ignorant they are that they can elect nawaz shirf and bhutto and support a big thug like the ex thief justice ifitkar choudary.
maybe musharraf has somethings bad, but no one is 100%, he has certainly given pakistan more then any leader has since quaid-e-azam.
He was just trying to bring the opposition togather against musharraf. He is not a power hungry dude as most people think. And as far as Nawaz and bhutto are concerned, now people have a choice, a new person who is sincere to the nation. Now people have to make a choice....Nawaz, BB, and Imran. Now it is them who have to realize that they have no future with BB and Nawaz and they have to give Imran a chance.
But please don't compare Musharraf with Quaid-e-Azam. I am sure Quaid's rooh must be restless and literally tarping with what musharraf is doing to the country.
i never supported musharraf before, i always wanted imran khan i liked his statements ot nawaz shirff, bhutto etc, but power got to him and after his u-turn by joining up with nawaz shirff, qazi, hamed gul i totaly lost respect for him and he looks like another power hungry dude.
my support for musharraf came after i saw how corrupt the oppersition was, and after i relized the double stadards of our people and how ignorant they are that they can elect nawaz shirf and bhutto and support a big thug like the ex thief justice ifitkar choudary.
Is someone totally forgetting Musharraf's u-turn about Benazir on how corrupt she was, how she looted the country and what not, one phone call and here comes NRO and Benazir lands in Pakistan etc.... something doesn't make sense here.
I was an ardent musharraf supporter. Without listing his positive contributions to pakistan (which I am sure can be found here in this forum), I will list only those incidents and my subsequent feelings which slowly but surely changed my mind and heart towards him.
9th March 2007. Reference against CJP (Oh God what stupid thing has he done)
12th May 2007 (Karachi violence and no mention of the dead the same day in his speech (I cannot believe he was this insensitive, all respect gone)
5th or 6th Aug 2007: Then secret meeting with bb (He has lost it, totally going back on his words, should leave)
3rd Nov 2007: Emergency (All your good work down the drain General, leave now and let us remember you as a dignified leader and not a coward who hid behind lame excuses to cling on to his power)
I pray to Allah that someday I am forced to go back on these words I wrote but truly and sadly I cannot see it happening in near future
But 6 yrs of greatness, 1 year of misery and we abandon ship? Not good, let's hang on more and see...
You know it should be mandatory for evey one to post in this thread.
Because we all exactly felt/feel same about him.
Once he was every ones hero.
He's still a hero to many.
I never supported Mush, but now I do because I see what his opponents are made of. From feudalism supporters to terrorism supporters, that is the basis of the anti-mush element.
Interesting to note that support has gone the other way round for many too.
Choice of leaders for Pakistan:
1-Mush/Kiyani/or whoever else is leading army
2-BB
3-NS
4-Qazi Hussain
5-Maulana Diesel
6-Baitullah Mehsud
7-Immy
8-Mullah Radio
Pick your poison, and choose wisely.
Option 1 honestly, hard as we may try the other options are suicidal beyond perception. Option 7 is good but unrealistic both in approach and chances.
i never supported musharraf before, i always wanted imran khan i liked his statements ot nawaz shirff, bhutto etc, but power got to him and after his u-turn by joining up with nawaz shirff, qazi, hamed gul i totaly lost respect for him and he looks like another power hungry dude.
my support for musharraf came after i saw how corrupt the oppersition was, and after i relized the double stadards of our people and how ignorant they are that they can elect nawaz shirf and bhutto and support a big thug like the ex thief justice ifitkar choudary.
maybe musharraf has somethings bad, but no one is 100%, he has certainly given pakistan more then any leader has since quaid-e-azam.
It took 11 years of Zia, and 12 years of pseudo-democracies, total 23 years to create this monster of religious intolerence and extrimism. You expect Musharaf to weed it out in a month or two of emergency rule???
teggy.........Imran just learned in last 6 weeks that these Mullah are B team of ISI and nothing else. And in May about MQM. They breath, eat, sleep and speak only when are told. Look at the history post 1971 and you would find, how much damage these religious and racial goons have done to the country. On the other hand the political parties (BB/NS) also looted the country like there is no tomorrow.
If it took him so many years just to firgure out that Mullahs are a B team of the Army than it would be better for him if he quits plitics and finds some other hobby to kill his time.
I used to support him up until this year. The reason he fell out of favor are the following:
1. His continued backtracking on his own words regarding him stepping down and taking off his uniform. There has to a be limit and its time he walks away from army and politics. He has very much damaged the institution of Army. Never was Pakistan Army as hated in Pak's history as it is hated now under his "leadership".
2. His secret deals with Benazir whom he called "a traitor" even in his own book. He is no longer a man or principles.
3. May 12 murder of Pakistani citizen in Karachi. His complete silence. Was any of the murders ever arrested and brought to justice. Whenever there is a suicide bombing, the perpetrators are found within hours and linked to some extremist. Why has no one been brought to justice in the May 12 murders. Mind you it was done in broad daylight on the streets.
4. His handling and prolonging of Lal Masjid and using it as diversionary measure for his open political ends.
5. And ofcourse the Martial LAw of Nov 3 and arrest of thousands of citizen of Pakistan. Including the one man I have a high regards and respect for: Imran Khan
It took 11 years of Zia, and 12 years of pseudo-democracies, total 23 years to create this monster of religious intolerence and extrimism. You expect Musharaf to weed it out in a month or two of emergency rule???
No we are not, all we are asking Musharraf is sincerity in doing what he is claiming to do, simple as that.
For that you need time but who is willing to give him time…??? He has done so much for pakistan…but na shukree quam can only remember few mistakes… cut him some slack people…you guys are acting like no leader has ever made mistakes… Pakistani awaam jazbati quam… they are so eager to get rid of him without even thinking who will come next. Is the next person gonna be able to tackle with militancy,will be able to give us assurance that our land will not be used as terrorist hub…
*But who care every body is so ready to jump in and put down their hatred against him. * I feel sorry for my country and for Gen musharaf that he has to deal with people like us who suffer from memory loss and who are Thankless people.
For that you need time but who is willing to give him time.....????
Sincerity does not demand time, I don't think we should've waited for 2 major incidents like Lal Masjid and Swat (the most recent ones) to come to that conclusion.
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He has done good and he has done bad, its your judgement which makes you think which one outweights which one.
[quote] Pakistani awaam jazbati quam..... they are so eager to get rid of him without even thinking who will come next.
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If we wait to continue for next eligible candidate then chances are we will die as we are and probably even next generation will be facing same situation. Leaders will not land from moon, they will develop when environment is made available, unless you are thinking of another military regime.
It took 11 years of Zia, and 12 years of pseudo-democracies, total 23 years to create this monster of religious intolerence and extrimism. You expect Musharaf to weed it out in a month or two of emergency rule???
There was no extremism during BB or NS era atleast not even a fraction of the degree that exists now. There were no insurgencies in FATA, no Taliban in Swat. Hell not even before 2005. It all sprang up in last 2 years of Musharraf rule. There was not a single suicide bombing in 1999, only 4 during 2006 and 45 in this year.
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