I hate OBL, who is he to direct killings and I apologize to the supporters of OBL, don’t mean to offend them, pardon me if OBL reads it…blab la what a double standard.
Just one stroke and 2800 killed, OBL is a hero, where is the end to hate? Give proofs to each and every one of millions, before he is charged; give proof if he has really offered gold to kill Annan, and so what if OBL wants to kill Annan, a common destiny for any kufr.
Zainiest, this is straightforward misrepresentation.
Im hoping that you do not know this, and merely posted this because it had to do with assasination. Perhaps you googled assasination and found this reference. It does not, however, have anything to do with assasinating the Leaders of the non muslims.
Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf was a medinite poet, who blasphemised Allah, the prophet, and muslim women through obscene and inflammatory poetry.
He was not a Leader of the Jews, the Mekkans, or his tribe.
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I hate OBL, who is he to direct killings and I apologize to the supporters of OBL, don’t mean to offend them, pardon me if OBL reads it…blab la what a double standard.
Just one stroke and 2800 killed, OBL is a hero, where is the end to hate? Give proofs to each and every one of millions, before he is charged; give proof if he has really offered gold to kill Annan, and so what if OBL wants to kill Annan, a common destiny for any kufr.
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your analysis really seems a joke for any muslim to read..
-how can Annan be a kafir - he doesnt believe in God..
-how can killing is kafirs destiny.. can u put some light on thta.. why didnt prophet Muhammad didnt killed all kaffirs or and Caliphs didnt do that.. u can ask any islamic scholar that killing an innocent muslim or non-muslim result in the same punishment..
- that rascal OBL has repaedidly boasted of killings of innocents and bombing of embassies in Africa - a serious crime in every religion of world including Islam about immunity to religios places and ambassadors.
- its duty of every muslim to catch this swine Osama Bin Laden and do justice..
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**I hate OBL, who is he to direct killings and I apologize to the supporters of OBL, don’t mean to offend them, pardon me if OBL reads it…blab la what a double standard.
Just one stroke and 2800 killed, OBL is a hero, where is the end to hate? Give proofs to each and every one of millions, before he is charged; give proof if he has really offered gold to kill Annan, and so what if OBL wants to kill Annan, a common destiny for any kufr.
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i don't even know where to begin with this response.
Thanks, Degas.
Zainiest, Yeah the difference is that Denis Halliday has never called for the assassination of Kofi Annan...
Zainiest
He didn’t resign. You might concider this Annan speech as a protest toward U.S.
Even if some of Halladys remarks about Iraq are justified… Is absurd to blame Annan for resolutions instituted by the U.N.
THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
ADDRESS TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
New York, 23 September 2003
Excerpt…
Since this Organisation was founded, States have generally sought to deal with threats to the peace through containment and deterrence, by a system based on collective security and the United Nations Charter.
Article 51 of the Charter prescribes that all States, if attacked, retain the inherent right of self-defence. But until now it has been understood that when States go beyond that, and decide to use force to deal with broader threats to international peace and security, they need the unique legitimacy provided by the United Nations.
Now, some say this understanding is no longer tenable, since an “armed attack” with weapons of mass destruction could be launched at any time, without warning, or by a clandestine group.
Rather than wait for that to happen, they argue, States have the right and obligation to use force pre-emptively, even on the territory of other States, and even while weapons systems that might be used to attack them are still being developed.
*According to this argument, States are not obliged to wait until there is agreement in the Security Council. Instead, they reserve the right to act unilaterally, or in ad hoc coalitions.
This logic represents a fundamental challenge to the principles on which, however imperfectly, world peace and stability have rested for the last fifty-eight years.
My concern is that, if it were to be adopted, it could set precedents that resulted in a proliferation of the unilateral and lawless use of force, with or without justification.*
Might be right. Perhaps these concidered solely on own interests.
Nadia and Zainiest.. still remains that U.N. did not kowtow to the U.S.
*AvgAmericanGirl * I am sure that you must have heard the astute people make politically correct statements for the public consumption but their deeds are to the contrary. If he were sincere he would have at least resigned.
I’ll settle for what Deins Halliday’s statement.
Nadia ji – Denis Halliday has my full respect. Like an honest man he did make a damning statement and resigned. That’s the best he could do. Only a true Muslim will feel the pain of other Muslims as the hadiths below state.
Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “A man who does not care for the Muslims’ issues does not belong to them.”
And “Believers in mutual love, are like the human body where, when the eye is in agony, the entire body feels pain, when the head aches, all the body will suffer.” [Saheeh Muslim]
When the pain of one's oppressed brothers and sisters is hard to bear, people do make threats!
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*AvgAmericanGirl * I am sure that you must have heard the astute people make politically correct statements for the public consumption but their deeds are to the contrary. If he were sincere he would have at least resigned.
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Zainy,
I don't get you. Why would U.N. leader speak damaging statements toward U.S. stance if U.S. controlled U.N.?
Who in your thinking would be better voice than Kofi?
He spoke his thinking. Why should he have resigned?
Do you think world would be different if he had?
What results would Kofi's resignation accomplished?
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*Nadia ji – Denis Halliday has my full respect. Like an honest man he did make a damning statement and resigned. That’s the best he could do. Only a true Muslim will feel the pain of other Muslims as the hadiths below state. *
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Zainiest,
Denis Halliday has my full respect as well. i have met him, i've had dinner with him, he's as wonderful in real life as whatever you have read about/by him.
Only a true Muslim will feel the pain of other Muslims...<<
Well, Denis Halliday is not a Muslim but i wager he has done far, far more for the people of Iraq than all the Muslim puppets in their palaces around the world.
Anyhow. i don't think i am going to change your position and, regarding this topic, no one is certainly going to change my opinion. Let's leave it at that. Allah Hafiz,
nadia
Nadia Ji - I agree this thread has been stretched out. In nine months that I have been on this board this thread has doubled my posts. :D
I am so envious of you that you not only met Denis Halliday but had dinner with him too! I would have been happy just to shake his hand.
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Well, Denis Halliday is not a Muslim but i wager he has done far, far more for the people of Iraq than all the Muslim puppets in their palaces around the world.
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So true, just shows what a scum of leaders we have. Spineless crawling maggots.
Allah guide us all - Allah Hafiz
AvgAmericanGirl
1) Maybe as a cover so that it is not so obvious that he is co-operating. Did he follow up after the damaging statements?
2) Denis Halliday?
3) If the thinking and speaking doesn’t get results the sincere people threaten or tend in their resignations and this mostly gets them the required results.
4) Yes, because hopefully the new Secretary General would try to be a Secretary General to UN and not a USA Liaison officer to UN.
5) No. 4 contains the answer.
I think we gone way off the topic at hand.
Nadiaji, do you really condemn OBL? And after why you apologize for that. This is a clear cut double standard.
I know who is a kufr and what kufr destiny is. Degas may not need to bother. As per Ayats of quran, all suedo muslims and half muslims also fall into the kufr category, but for reasons known to your community, or may be better known to OBL followers, all non muslim world is considered ‘kufr’ as per the need, does not matter the actual or non actual definition of kufr.
There is a need to understand OBL, instead you and like minded run to find faults with the non muslim world.
You and OBL must have some secret revelation about who is kafir and who is not.. as far as muslims know from Quran and sunnah of Prophet Muhammad :saw: ahlae kitab such as christians, jews are not kafir.. so how Kofi Annan is kafir.. as far as that scum OBL is concerned hardly any muslims in the world follow his religion and that is hate. As vast majority of muslims who dont hate non-muslims are kafir to u.. u will enjoy a special compartment in jannah with OBL and few others..
osama rocks...he is the only man who challenges all these americans britishers and isrealis......america europe and isreal will neva allow us to prosper and prove is present every where.....now america is moving towards sham then iran and then pak...just check out recent american statement saying isreal have all rigghts of defending themselves..huh...we muslism r stilll in dreams tht not by doing jahad or supoorting mujahiddins we can prosper.....thts y i love osama and their all those suicide attacks organisations......
and abt UN i would call it a ******* CHILD of america...they support US in every condition even they cannot stop killings of thousands in kashmir palestine iraq
osama rocks.....just **** these bloody americans soldiers and all the jews
"all the jews" ??
please refrain from making stupid, irresponsible statements. There is no Islamic basis for saying the above, and this is only motivated by inexcusable bigotry.
u still have respect for bloody jews ??? wht they r doing in palestine ...jews neeed to eb destructed...jews r involved in bombings in karachi,involve in destruction of muslims in nigeria and have killed thousands in palestine have respect stilll????
hammas is doing pretty thing by doing suicide aatacks...it is wht wecalled extreme fustration ....they r helpness and they r doing suicide ..i dont mind whether they attack on army or public place...infact jews civilians r involved in destruction of muslim houses and back their government....for ur information just not a single inch yes single inch belongs to jews ..it is totally a palestine land....and they have rights to do anything to save themselves from destruction.....jews r our enemy and u still love themm hehe..yara i advice u to read history abt jews and mossad.....then tell me ya check out new destruction of isrealis in palestine
by that token they can lump together Muslims as one homogenous block too, as opposed to a spectrum of views.
Some of the most eloquent opposition to the war comes from jewish people.
and theres a distinction to be made between israelis and jews. for example, not all muslims are from saudi arabia.
Man !!! Been a long time since I've been here ......
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u still have respect for bloody jews ??? wht they r doing in palestine ...jews neeed to eb destructed...jews r involved in bombings in karachi,involve in destruction of muslims in nigeria and have killed thousands in palestine have respect stilll????
hammas is doing pretty thing by doing suicide aatacks...it is wht wecalled extreme fustration ....they r helpness and they r doing suicide ..i dont mind whether they attack on army or public place...infact jews civilians r involved in destruction of muslim houses and back their government....for ur information just not a single inch yes single inch belongs to jews ..it is totally a palestine land....and they have rights to do anything to save themselves from destruction.....jews r our enemy and u still love themm hehe..yara i advice u to read history abt jews and mossad.....then tell me ya check out new destruction of isrealis in palestine
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usmanjunooni,
Did you know that only the Likud party members (approx. 135,000)
were allowed vote on Sharons proposal to pull out and vacate the Jewish Settlements in Gaza? Many Israeli Jews supported the idea.
Usmanjunooni,
Whether violent actions are taken by a Hamas bomber or an Israeli soldier...
isn't the result majority of the time....
injury or death to an innocent bystander?
Isn't it hypocritical to support civilian deaths by Hamas suicide bombers....
yet condemn civilian death caused by Israeli soldier?
Or vice-versa?
I don't see the violence ending until the violence initiated by either are equally condemned.
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**u still have respect for bloody jews ??? wht they r doing in palestine ...jews neeed to eb destructed...*
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"Jews need to be destructed"... ????
You are arguing for ethnic cleansing, my friend. i don't care if they're Jews or atheists. That's ethnic cleansing.
First take a look at our own Muslim backyard and let me know what the Sheikhs and the Emirs have done to help the people of Palestine. Then we can focus about all the "bloody Jews" around the world.
BTW - name of Noam Chomsky ring a bell? Guess what, he's an anti-Zionist. Guess what, he's done WAY more in his lifetime for the people of Palestine, than all the Muslim leaders from Musharraf to Mubarak, combined. Here's the whopper - guess what, he's a bloody Jew as well.
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*Originally posted by PurelyAvgGirl: *
usmanjunooni,
Did you know that only the Likud party members (approx. 135,000)
were allowed vote on Sharons proposal to pull out and vacate the Jewish Settlements in Gaza? Many Israeli Jews supported the idea.
Usmanjunooni,
Whether violent actions are taken by a Hamas bomber or an Israeli soldier...
isn't the result majority of the time....
injury or death to an innocent bystander?
Isn't it hypocritical to support civilian deaths by Hamas suicide bombers....
yet condemn civilian death caused by Israeli soldier?
Or vice-versa?
I don't see the violence ending until the violence
initiated by either are equally condemned.
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i suggest u to read history i suggest u to see pics of muslim dead bodies..i suggest to go iraq by the way of kuwait and tell me wht people think of americans and isrealis....remember there is muc much hatness especially for jews no body respects them..infact in middle east and pak,people dont mind these suicide attacks....remember palestines r facing extremely fustration conditon...in last 7 days 150 paletine people killed 2000 houses destructed....women r badly behaved..most of the kilings r teenagers no jobs for palestine people....infact they r now cruelly alone on their land...i dont mind suicide attacks whether it kills any 1 and expecting these things from palestine can be easily certain....
my point is dont shout for osama and those suicide killers till amerian and isreal continue their violence ...if they end their end thier violence then say these things r haram...remember america calls kaashmir struggle as CROOS BORDER TERRISOM .....if suicde attacks r haram then whole struggle of palestine will be vanished
you're not listening usman. what we're trying to drum through is that your valid resentment of the actions of israelis should not generalise to jews in general. The majority of the jews still does not reside in israel.