WHO are we ??....

there is a huge number of ANTI MQM people in the cafe ,

I am sure all of you love Pakistan and feel for people who live in karachi and none of you is racist , the reason why you all hate MQM Or Altaf Husain is because you love PAKISTAN as much as you love punjab or any other province ,

I just need to ask you 1 question it bothers me since I was a kid ..

Pakistan has 4 provinces

SINDH sindhi live in sindh they speak sindhi wear sindhi with rich history

PUNJAB punjabi live in punjab they speak punjabi wear punjabi with rich history

BALOCHISTAN baloch live there they speak balochii wear balochi with rich history

PAKTHUN pathan live there they speak pushto wear pathani with rich history

people who migrated from India called Mahajir they are not punjabi nor sindhi but they are Pakistani.
NOT A SINGLE BOOK EVER PUBLISHED ABOUT PAKISTAN mentions them they have been sidelined as if they do not exist ,

your thoughts please

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There are more Urdu speaking Pakistanis in Punjab rather than Sindh but this is no issue there. Why you relate the killers group MQM with the honorable Urdu speaking Pakistanis.
You can vote other Urdu speaking leaders next time. This will not an issue than.
Whole Pakistan is their. Our national language is their language . Our food is their food. Our dresses are from them. They are our cultural leaders.

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Seriously in many ways i understand Clad bhai here.

My heart goes out to the Muhajirs… at the end of the day i’m a Muhajir my faiths Muhajir… okay my fammily lived in Northern Pak for the last 960years but before then we too were central asians…

All of us are Pakistani :jhanda:

Forget this class and geographical divisions… we are all Muslims first and Pakistani’s next.

:champ:

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mohajirs are the best.gave up and sacrificed all they had for this country.
most educated lot in the country.cream of the society.

I am not asking who is the best yar

all I am asking is where do we fit we have 4 provinces in Pakistan and we dont fit in any of them ,,,,

only if we understood this simple concept :k:

race/nationality/skin color = kills humanity

we can and will fit in any place we like in Pakistan.All Pakistan is ours just like all Pakistan is of punjabis or pathans or balochs.So i dont know why u feel like this.I never though of this before and will never.Patrioticism is above regional politics.
Maybe you love altaf bhai jan more than i do so that pissed u and u made this thread.Institutions and state should be stronger than individuals and as CP pointed the anwer to all problems is one ummah!!

why.we are scattered all over sindh,punjab and now we won elections in northern areas,so what do u mean.Provinces are just boundries for better administration and i dont know where u got this that anyone who speaks punjabi is punjabi.lol.punjab has hundreds of different casts and most of them came from other regions like kashmir ,indian punjab central asia and afghanistan,persia and beyond.

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I think this is a very lame question. I find it highly disturbing how most Pakistanis would like to wear their provincial affiliation on their sleeves. It's so primitive so ancient -- guys grow up, you're a COUNTRY now and that's what the rest of the world judges you on -- not that you're Punjabi, Urdu-speaking, Pathan whatever....

Another reason why MQM needs to go -- it stirs ethnic hatred. Let's have a Punjab party, a Sindh party and a Pathan party too by the same logic. It'd be a recipe for chaos and disaster.

And Clad, please educate yourself -- the provinces by no means define ethnic identity. There are tons of people from everywhere in Pakistan, living everywhere, esp in the cities.

Ethnic pride is outdated, ancient . The entire world moved on to the 21st century while you and probably the people who gave this mindset to you were sleeping.

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^who u mean haq parast altaf bhai jan?He is not sleeping.

but i do agree changing the name of MQM can solve alot of problems and if altaf bhai jan come back that would be awesome.
Courts are free and justice should be done.I think rabta commitee should bring him back.

mohajirs were of all diff ethnicities not just one so i dont know what u are trying to say.i just stated the fact that mohajirs whatever ethnicity sacrificed a lot.finish

example can be honourable minister Baber Ghouri bhai who is descendent of Sultan Ghauri of Ghor and is afghan and Syed Haider Abbas Rizvi which makes him arab and so on.

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http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\07\24\story_24-7-2010_pg7_9

Will Altaf Hussain ever return home?

By Saeed Minhas

KARACHI: The perception about the MQM and the possibility of Altaf Hussain’s return remained our topics of discussion, as we moved to our next stop in this guided-tour of the Nine Zero area that was Altaf Bhai’s residence – a 120-yard house standing out quite visibly amongst the otherwise ordinary dwellings.

A couple of senior citizens were guarding the house while sitting in its open veranda under a huge portrait of the leader whom everyone out there calls – out of reverence – Peer Sahib. Sliding the gate-sized portrait of a garlanded and waiving Peer Sahib, you can enter the house where marbled floors, creased curtains, a simple décor and preserved rooms greet you. The famous Takht-e-Altaf – a simple wooden bench – draped in red velvet cloth and a couple of typical Lucknow-rounded velvety pillows on top, is the place you just cannot ignore after entering the room.

Then the accompanying orators with their running commentary, keep telling you how Bhai used to sit on that wooden takht and how all the visiting dignitaries used to come and sit in front of him on lined-up rows of sofas for political bargains. Even the speaker-telephone set is preserved – in working order – as the reverends of Peer Sahib’s house express their hope that “one day Peer Sahib will return to use the same takht and telephone”.

When that day will come, nobody in the party knows, as Farooq Sattar said, “When the circumstances will allow and the Rabita Committee decides, Altaf Bhai will take the next available flight to return home. But circumstances do not guarantee any such call from the committee,” he said. “Therefore it’s better that he keeps sitting abroad, safe and sound because we need him to pull us through these difficult times, instead of coming here and risking his own life.” Upon queries, the philosophically-lost Sattar said, “He does not have any personal enmity, rather those who fear Bhai’s political thinking and message will be after his life.” He added, while referring to the establishment and their pampered feudal and anti-people politicians, without naming anyone, and telling me that “you know who those are – despite the fact that I don’t even know”.

Despite being nominated in over 100 cases, and part of the much-trumpeted NAB list of 72 cases pardoned via defunct-NRO, party leaders claim, “It was all propaganda.” Farooq Sattar and Haider Rizvi said that despite all the hue and cry, the MQM and Altaf Hussain have been cleared in the high-profile cases such as that of Major Kaleem’s drilling and Hakeem Saeed’s murder by the courts. In all other cases, they say that the party is pursuing its causes in the court of law. “So please don’t declare us convicts without even proving anything against us,” they pleaded.

Whenever a question was posed about rumours of Altaf’s health or his lung problems and his treatment from a German homeopathic doctor – who also happens to be the physician of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain – most of the leadership looked the other way. “Bhai is well and has no health issues.” There have also been rumours that party-poet Mustafa Azizabadi, who heads the media team at the London Secretariat has an alarming similarity with Bhai’s voice and his services were used for some recordings. But all this was rubbished by the party leadership, terming it yet another propaganda by their opponents.

When asked about a possible replacement of the party leader – because if his health is not an issue, then on numerous occasions Altaf Hussain has himself announced to resign from his position, but on the insistence of the committee and party workers has always agreed to resume his duties – the party leaders said, “When it comes to that, then we will see what to do, but for now we cannot even think of living without Bhai’s guidance.”

As we were discussing this, an article highlighting some personal traits – such as carefree driving, hailing from a humble background, involved in criminal and civil cases and running a party of hardliners – of the MQM’s self-exiled leader, which had appeared in this newspaper, came under severe criticism from members of the committee, party workers as well as elected MPs.

It’s a perception that has always haunted the MQM, claimed members of the committee, adding that Punjabis are always made to revisit those gory details when they used to receive dead bodies of their loved ones from Karachi bundled in sacks, assuming that it was the handy work of the MQM. Farooq Sattar said that despite all the media-trials, state crackdowns and opposition from the proponents of ancestral politics “violence has never been our policy subscription and all these perceptions are dying their own death and people are flocking to join our party to bring a silent revolution in the country through ideology not through guns”.

“By learning from our past mistakes, we have evolved from a Karachi-centred to a national party and despite all odds, will continue our struggle for the oppressed masses,” he added. Then why did Altaf Bhai ask his party members to purchase guns? The answer was that it was all in a context when on a single day in December 1986, more than 300 innocents were butchered by land-mafia gurus in Aligarh, Hyderabad and then chief minister Ghous Ali Shah refusing to even admit the incident as a massacre. “It was only then that Bhai asked the workers to protect themselves when the state fails to do so.”

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We hate MQM because there is blood of innocent people on its hands, and it continues to spread terrorism in Karachi. 27 people have been killed in last 4 days in violence, just to take control of Gulistan e Jouhar. MQM continued to kill ANP and PPI workers for 3 days, now last night ANP has attacked MQM office and 1 is reported killed. THats the legacy of Altaf HUssain.

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By the way dear clad, Muhajirs live all over Pakistan, 1/3rd of urdu speaking Muhajirs live in Punjab.

1 , this is why I hate Germans like you, sitting in bara suba and talking JAK SH*T …
see how you make news in your back yard .

Last night 7 MQM karkun killed in gulistan-e- jauhar including gulistan-e- jauhar unit incharge ..

out of that 27 people 19 were from MQM ,

NONE OF YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ALL YOU PEOPLE SAID WAS JUST TOO CHILDISH oh we should live together we should do this do that provincial system out dated and BLA BLA BLA

your thoughts are too inmature for my question why the hell do you call PUNJAB A PUNJAB THEN THICK OR CHANGE THE NAME OF NWFP TO PAKTHUN KHUA WHY because it matters …

now if you dont have answer to this I will tell you the answer

Karachi Urdu speaking kay BAAP KI JAGIR hai :hehe: ,

BACK OFF Or DIE

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^ MQM and urdu speaking people are two different species.

If you believe that MQM is not involved in killings and other criminal activities, you are extremely naive. MQM has been involved in terrorist activities and all studies covering terrorism in Pakistan include the fascist party.

Punjab is not called Punjab because Punjabis live there :D that's a stupid concept!

You question is childish because the concept that Punjabis live in Punjab, Sindhis live in Sindh, Baluchis live in Baluchistan and Pathans live in Pakhtunkhwa is very naive. Punjab has many races living here, and so do other provinces.

Please let us know a single book about Pakistan that does not mention Muhajirs. Please, pretty please.

Your two last lines reflect the criminal idea that Karachi belongs to a particular party and no one else should survive there.

MQM-Wallahs like you are exactly the type of people who give Mohajirs a bad name.

Nobody has killed more Mohajirs, and brought more death to Karachi than the MQM.

This is the reason so many people support an operation against the MQM whenever they get too much out of control, and start talking again about their Indian sponsored Jinnaphur crap.

Mashallal, like your leader, you MQMers always lie. Among the 27 killed its only 1 that was of MQM.
http://www.ummat.com.pk/2010/07/24/index.php?p=news-02.gif

http://www.ummat.com.pk/2010/07/24/index.php?p=news-01.gif

As for backing off, my dear, the fire you have started will ultimately burn you down.

so thats where you get all your news from UMMAT :rotfl: and I was thinking you hear voices :rotfl: :rotfl:

bhai jaan ghalib nay kaha hai

DIL KAY KHUSH RAKHNAY KO GHALIB YA KHAYAL ACHA HAI

and you living in same khayal !!! dream onnn :balley: