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as for rest of you , please do not talk crap if you dont know the answer 
its as simple as this ,
We need another province to recognize or existence and this should have been done long back you all talking Crap and you know it province is nothing punjab is not for punjabiz and all that crap but HEAR THIS We have not been recognized as a URDU SPEAKING QUOM SINCE DAY 1 ,
about time to and we will kick some ASS in the process 
watch OUT
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^You could even expel a few Punajbis, Pathans and Baloch from Karachi, soobs kiya banao gay, the piglet is hiding in London.
The terrorist comes out finally.
Another province: the Gilgit-Baltistan people did that with a political process. You can do that too. No need to kill non-urdu-speaking people to cleanse the area, please. We’ve had enough terrorism from MQM already.
P.S. you didn’t talk about ANY book about Pakistan that does not say anything about Urdu speaking people.
Blah, blah, blah.
When your lies have been pointed out, you have no reply.
You just talk rubbish that your mummy and daddy told you, like the 10 yr old you probably are,
For all your talk about being a ‘victim’, trying to create Jinaphur will result in 50 million Sindhis trying to kill you.
Not to mention all the Pathans,Baloch, and Punjabi’s just waiting to give justice to MQM terrorists.
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Urdu speaking people are awesome, there are so many people I know in my family who are. Everyone gets along.
MQM is clearly not awesome as its a mafia and it has infested an amazing city called Karachi with its terror network rendering it impossible for any sane individual to live with peace of mind. I've lived there, so I know. Thus MQM needs to go. I don't think it's really hard to see why people hate MQM and by proxy anyone who is associated with it.
I don't understand why Pakistani ethnic groups are so fixated over getting their own provinces. It's very idiotic.
Clad you need to get out more rather than forming your opinions based on your narrow peer group. Meet the enlightened people from all over Pakistan, they'll love you and you'll love them back :)
Edit: If you really love Karachi, disown MQM. It's destroyed your city.
cut the crap… try to talk some sense
province on what basis, people who migrated to( Majority) Pakistan were from Punjab, Bihar, Bhopal, Luckhnow, Dakan, Dehli, and Bombay… now none of these culture match each other, the only bond they have and they share with the people of then Pakistan was Urdu and Islam, Urdu is National Language of Pakistan and Islam is national religion…
These people, most of them, who had dignity, got themselves settled in the different parts of Pakistan, some in Lahore, some in Faislabad, Some in Sialkot, some in Multan, some in Peshawar, Rawal Pindi, Sakhar, Hyderabad, Thatta and Karachi… they are long settled and no more consider themselves as MUHAJIR or anyother thing, they were very much Pakistani and had the same rights at par with common man ( who actually got no right in Pakistan).
The MQM or any other party which has based themselves on ethinic or religious differences is nothing more then a group of people who no nothing else but to trade people to get rich… the life-style of the OWNERS of such party proves my point, let if Fazulur Rehman aka Molana Diesel or Altaf Hussian aka Kala Peer or Asfand Yar Wali…
You better take pill of reality.. but i know you won’t you have nothing good to do with your life not because you don’t ( and many like you) have chance but because you don’t have capability to compete so you go for this kind of politics, sell hatred, sell differences and make your money.. groups based on ethinic and/or religious differences has done nothing but added to misery of the common man, the man who try eveyday to survive from the the evils people like you have spread in the society and then earn some food for him and his family…
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Muhajirs never wanted to really have an identity other than being a Pakistani. From time we were called Hindustanis. But Muhajirs sacrificed everything to come to a country. Some made it and some fell, my grandfather sacrificed his business and his acres of property to come to Karachi from UP and start out with scratch but we were always discriminated even in our majority city like Karachi. Government jobs were not given to Muhajirs. We might not have a province but I'm happy with a city like Karachi. Non Karachiites think MQM is some terror gang but in reality they wanted to give their people some recognition. They made Karachi to what it is right now with all the developments. If Karachi is an economic powerhouse of South Asia then MQM has some hand in it. Look at the PPP controlled areas like Lyari and then look at the MQM majority areas. You can see the difference because MQM have always done good for the people. Making false movements like Jinnahpur to defame and exterminate MQM did not work at all. Personally I hate being called a Muhajir but people are so obsessed with ethnicities that they forget that they are Pakistanis first.
a post full of crap!
and just noticed something interesting, take the word “clad”, cut the “l” half, and stick a little line in there as in “r” then turn the “d” to 180 degree clockwise, and what we have??? yes “crap” : D
Government jobs were not given to Muhajirs.
*any proofs? Karachi was the seat of the government and a lot of people were imported from India to fill gaps in bureaucracy and commerce left behind by Hindus migrating to India *
Non Karachiites think MQM is some terror gang but in reality they wanted to give their people some recognition.
Can you blame anyone for thinking like that? The terror activities are on record. Please don't be so naive to not accept that
If Karachi is an economic powerhouse of South Asia then MQM has some hand in it.
If Karachi is not an economic powerhouse of South Asia, then MQM has some hand in it
Why do we still have to be reminded of 'sacrifices' made by those who migrated to Karachi? As if people migrating to Pakistani Punjab and other provinces brought their businesses, houses and lands with them.
Enough of 'persecution' card please. There is no real evidence of discrimination against those who migrated to Karachi. Please stop being an ever complaining children (always in government, always in opposition, always crying!).
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well actually those who migrated from india and got settled in Karachi got the bigger share in most of the basic facilities, that is, education, health, job and other civic facilities. because of the obvious reasons like ports, central bank and existence of industry and regional market before goray left. look at the other parts of the country and you will be grateful to ALLAH :swt: for what you have, because most of the cities in Pakistan do not as much of education,health and employment options as in Karachi
Karachi people do not need a province. Sindh is their province which is their homeland since 1947. This sooba crap will only result in bloodshed in the province.
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MQM never wanted independent province.
They are enjoying economy of whole Pakistan.
Only one way
Get rid of This killer ethnic mafia.
Every thing will be alright.
Muhajirs never wanted to really have an identity other than being a Pakistani. From time we were called Hindustanis. But Muhajirs sacrificed everything to come to a country. Some made it and some fell, my grandfather sacrificed his business and his acres of property to come to Karachi from UP and start out with scratch but we were always discriminated even in our majority city like Karachi. Government jobs were not given to Muhajirs. We might not have a province but I'm happy with a city like Karachi. Non Karachiites think MQM is some terror gang but in reality they wanted to give their people some recognition. They made Karachi to what it is right now with all the developments. If Karachi is an economic powerhouse of South Asia then MQM has some hand in it. Look at the PPP controlled areas like Lyari and then look at the MQM majority areas. You can see the difference because MQM have always done good for the people. Making false movements like Jinnahpur to defame and exterminate MQM did not work at all. Personally I hate being called a Muhajir but people are so obsessed with ethnicities that they forget that they are Pakistanis first.
I can see what you're saying, I know where you're coming from. But trust me, everyone in Pakistan suffers, not just the people in Karachi -- everyone has had a tough time and the entire blame for that has to go to the myopic leadership that never over the last 60 years has had some economic strategy.
Karachi was an economic powerhouse in the 50s, 60s and 70s. In the 80s, MQM street power came to the fore, the airlines went away, the industrialists shifted their bases to Lahore, investment was driven away, and people living in Karachi really suffered. They really caused a lot of trouble all throughout until the misguided army operations were launched which really had no long term success.
Do you see that its hard for normal, politically non-aligned people to live and work in an environment that's permeated by ethnic politics and where you hear stories of torture cells, targeted killings and kidnappings, not to mention the bhatta gangs and what not. Karachi was NOT like this. It only turned into this place after MQM came to power and that's why it's such a massive problem. MQM has a role to play in the whole atmosphere of tension and criminal activity in Karachi. It needs to go.
I can see what you're saying, I know where you're coming from. But trust me, everyone in Pakistan suffers, not just the people in Karachi -- everyone has had a tough time and the entire blame for that has to go to the myopic leadership that never over the last 60 years has had some economic strategy.
Karachi was an economic powerhouse in the 50s, 60s and 70s. In the 80s, MQM street power came to the fore, the airlines went away, the industrialists shifted their bases to Lahore, investment was driven away, and people living in Karachi really suffered. They really caused a lot of trouble all throughout until the misguided army operations were launched which really had no long term success.
Do you see that its hard for normal, politically non-aligned people to live and work in an environment that's permeated by ethnic politics and where you hear stories of torture cells, targeted killings and kidnappings, not to mention the bhatta gangs and what not. Karachi was NOT like this. It only turned into this place after MQM came to power and that's why it's such a massive problem. MQM has a role to play in the whole atmosphere of tension and criminal activity in Karachi. It needs to go.
I understand your points and why you dislike MQM. I'm not a big fan of them due to their violence but if you put that aside than MQM has done a lot of development work for Karachi. Look at Karachi's infrastructure from 10 years ago and look at it now, traffic problems have been reduced and pollution has been reduced and you have to give credit where its due to MQM,]. They give educated middle class people a chance to shine as well an example of that is Mustafa Kamal. To my people MQM are the people who stood up for us when we were being neglected and discriminated by the other ethnicities in Karachi. The government couldn't stop the racism so someone had to step in and it was MQM created by Altaf Hussein. MQM touched those very delicate points like stopping feudalism and giving Muhajir jobs and no discrimination and that is why they got the support of urdu speaking people. Another thing I'm seeing alot here is that MQM is always brought in when a thread on Karachi is made. A thread on Karachi cricket players was opened and immediately a member brought in MQM. People are quick to point out the crimes by MQM but forget ANP and PPP's actions. And Karachi is still an economic powerhouse of Pakistan and South Asia.
I really do feel when it comes to ethnic based grievances, Pakistanis really have refined them to an art form. For God's sake, the whole country has suffered, it's still an underdeveloped country where resources are scarce, the last thing we need to do is to develop a confrontational mindset that will really not sort out any problems. Every province, every person has a problem there it does not by any means legitimize violent militias with an ethnic agenda to create jobs and prosperity and what not.
I personally know of so many cases where people either immigrated or shifted elsewhere in Pakistan because it was impossible to do business in Karachi under MQM. Including people from the Urdu speaking community itself. That's besides the official statistics which tell you about the general economic malaise in that city in the 80s and 90s, when MQM was all powerful (and still is).
I'm certain that MQM can give people government jobs, but beyond that I doubt its capability in job creation. Note that federal/State jobs are only a very miniscule percentage of the job market. Most jobs are now created in the private/corporate sector. That's the sector which suffers because of MQM. And its very wrong to have ethnic quotas/preferences/affirmative action when it comes to awarding state jobs -- let everyone compete openly.
Call PPP/ANP/PML etc anything but these groups historically don't have criminal mafias to back them up. MQM does, and that's why its so reviled and people who support it are reviled as well because Karachi is fantastic and MQM has turned that city into a battle zone.
EDIT: I really don't understand where this whole culture of militias and street-power comes from in Pakistan. It wasn't there until the 70s or 80s. I strongly suspect that the agencies have a role in creating this -- Altaf Hussain is widely speculated to be a creation of the ISI to counter the PPP factor in Karachi. An agent gone bad.