Which religion atheists destest most?

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you are saying this again but still you say you are not implying anything.
Noah (a.s) asked for support of Allah(s.w.t). and Allah supported him, it doesnt mean that Allah ordered him to construct a ship and do whatever you can on your own to save yourself. Consider the bolded part of verses i mentioned in my post.

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At a higher level, the Philosophy forum appears to be turning into misrepresentation of what atheists are about. Have we run out of topics that makes us think? Do we have to turn every thread into why miracles are believable, because we should have faith?

As for the ship, it is obvious the poster meant it was "absurdly small" relative to the task. It is unfortunate use of words such as shameful used in this context. Debate should preferably be free flowing.

My 2 cents. I am out.

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An atheist would not care much for the verses. You do not have to get so aggressive about such questions. You would only be strengthening 'their' argument.

Now, here's how I would deal with the question if Atheists put me about Noah's ark.

First thing, the stories in religious texts are told in a way that people of that time and area could understand. If Quran was revealed in England, for example, the description of Jannah would say that it is a place with clear blue skies with sun shining all the time, nice clean beaches and rivers of supreme quality tea with abundant loaves of bread and cakes available for everyone. Since it was revealed in hot Arabia, it talks about cool, shady place with rivers of milk and honey and lots of grapes and pure wine. Imagine God saying in Quran that in Jannah, everyone would get a nice 60th floor condo with an indoor swimming pool, a built-in dance floor, fiber optic internet (with speeds approaching speed of light) with a quad-core laptop with unlimited capacity hard drive. ALL airline seats would be first class. HE can do it, but won't say it in that day and age.

About Noah's ark, the message is more important than the technicalities. One, the flood probably did not cover all the earth's surface but was told so to describe its massive size. If it did cover all the mountains, they'd say the ship would floating a few thousand meters above 'current' sea levels, oxygen would be too thin and temperatures too low that all animals would probably die.

Second, since the flood did not cover ALL of the planet, he probably did not take ALL animals. He probably took the animals needed for human survival (Sheep, cows, chicken, horses, etc.). If he took all animals, he could not provide food for carnivores who would probably eat up other animals during the journey. He had to provide food for all animals too for an year long cruise too.

For me, the message of the story is that you should stand for truth even at the cost of friends and family. If you do so, God would find ways to save you in time of need since HE can do everything!

For the topic, my post #113 should be considered my take on the subject.

over and out

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There is no dearth of topics. Let people clear their thoughts in a better way. After all, we have so many topics challenging religions, their survival.. some topics on atheism or non-religious ideologies will help people understanding each other. There is nothing to be defensive.

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I totally agree with you, and I also agree that there other explanations for this incident as well. But do you think that any explanation could be enough for atheists? NO.

For your point regarding the topic, topic is 'Why atheists detest the religion'. Irrespective of that topic is good to discuss or not, how the Noah's arch example becomes relevant to topic? This implies that atheists detest or hate religion because of such supposedly ignorant story.

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And what is the problem with that? An explanation of a story doesn't change the fact that it is still just a story. Stories aren't enough for some people, and I can understand that. They prefer to believe in things they can see and verify. You shouldn't look down on them, or imply that they are being stubborn. It is perfectly valid to question things that have no proof. Faith isn't enough for everyone but you seem to think it should be.

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NO.
...regarding the topic, topic is 'Why atheists detest the religion'. Irrespective of that topic is good to discuss or not, how the Noah's arch example becomes relevant to topic? This implies that atheists detest or hate religion because of such supposedly ignorant story.

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It became relevant because it is an example of things that requires a myriad of allegories and metaphors to explain things because literal explanations are illogical. On the other hand, people take other parts of religion at their literal meaning, creating a contradiction. Noah's ark is an example of this, that's all.

I don't think atheists detest religion. Some detest extreme variations of religion but most simply don't care about religion. Just like you and I don't care about Buddhism, or Shintoism, or Judaism, they don't care about any religion. It doesn't mean they detest them.

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lolz.
and such examples becomes relevant to every single discussion, to give religious people kind of "shut up call" and still you say....

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Is "every single discussion" about why some people doubt religion? Then yes, it would be relevant. And no one has told you to "shut up", in fact, we're asking you, as a mod, to be more open minded to try and understand why someone may be skeptical about organized faith. Are you at all interested in why someone would become an atheist? If not, then why are you the mod of this particular forum? It seems like a massive conflict of interest.

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You can believe or not...or you can also pick and choose about what you want to believe in order to meet your spiritual needs. Who says you must follow every dogmatic principle of a religion that is based on subjective interpretation anyway?

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may be its subjective interpretation for someone and for someone its integral part of faith. The verse I quoted is not much controversial amongst various sects of Muslims when it comes to interpretation and this message has been emphasized at hundred places in Quran.

For a non-believer or atheist, Quran might not be important, but for a Muslim it is.

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I doubt that. I am not an atheist and i am not afraid of god. I am only afraid of bhoots and police, that doesnt mean i treat them as gods. On the other hand i love my parents and give them same respect i would give it to gods.

The way you make sweeping statements and have to explain them later actually proves that 'believers' hate and detest atheist more than they thing atheist hate gods. I get it that when you have faith in something or someone then you dont need the proof, but at the same time people who ask for proof should not be detested by you.

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pick and choose? this is not a supermarket!

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for you, there is no difference between doubt and detest, fumny...

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Where is your proof of claim that more than 50 percent people are atheists but scared of telling it?

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So instead of discussion you offer insults. Alright then...

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I dont need proof because i said it was my belief not a fact. You cant question anyone's belief right?

Instead of nitpicking and making up things i expected something better from you.

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cool down guys, it seems that my question was not liked. I request Mods to please lock this thread.

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Dude. Stop saying they DETEST... Atheists dont DETEST the concept of a God. They might, but being atheist doesnt equate to detesting the concept of God. Not believing in something is not to detest it! DETEST is very deep and abiding hatred for something.